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@dmacshady ·
I've read your article and it was very straight to the point, also I live in Canada and it's a great country and I love it, keep on writing on Steemit buddy!
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@rok-sivante ·
whereabouts in Canada?
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@dmacshady ·
Toronto :)
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@elargroup ·
Similar to SP, SMD tokens cannot be purchased directly on an external exchange. SMD are primarily earned through contributing but can be purchased by converting STEEM tokens to SMD tokens.

Actually Steem Dollars can now purchased on external exchanges !
https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_sbd
https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-SBD

PS Abbreviation of SBD = Steem Backed Dollars
or just SD = Steem Dollars (not SMD please edit)
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@flexcougar ·
Upvoted because you are bald like me....Oh and a great article as well;)
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@gekko ·
it will succeed in the long term, you'll see my friend 8]
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@giostar · (edited)
$1.12
You definitely have the winning formula @rok-sivante upvoted in support !

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@rok-sivante ·
lol. upvoted. the laugh definitely worth it. :-)
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@greengo ·
Very good
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@jlwkolb ·
@rok-sivante, I enjoy your posts. I like the idea (because I'm a big believer ) that it has taken us our whole lives to become who we are and share our experiences. Like my paintings - I was doing them long before steemit. It's not beginner's luck. It's knowing our skills and using them to inspire others. This happens to be a place with wide reach. There are no such things as short cuts. Yes, some good fortune is involved. But it's also different goals. If you are on here thinking you can just produce endless posts without a thought about their usefulness and only looking at $ signs, you will burn out. There has to be more.
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@nioctib ·
save that bullshit, this shit he posted is fake
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@dasan-oneia ·
why are you here?
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@kelsiq1 ·
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@mammasitta · (edited)
$1.12
Another  "valuable " masterpiece ! 
" A fool knows the price of everything  and the value of nothing " ( forgot  who's quote it is )
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@nioctib ·
get tha fuck out you fuckin piece of shit with your faking fake ass story, motherfucker
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@oneyesoneno ·
<b>Steemit Quotes Of The Day – 
Sometimes life is tough. 諦めない</b>
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upvoted this blog :) , i don't care what others will say... this is good content
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@phanie90 ·
upvote for you..
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@positive · (edited)
$65.79
<h3>Everyone who is upvoting this, I hope you realize that <b>you are being gamed right now. </b> 

<h3>This <b>is</b> a <b>"you can make money like me post". </b></h3>

<h3>Seems that marketers are shameless in their resolve to play on the financial difficulties some people are facing. </h3>
<h3> That's pretty low. </h3>

<h3>Voting  rewards are a result of  random voting distribution by influential users and collusion.</h3>

<h3>That's it, nothing else.</h3>

<h3>In fact, I suspect some large users are colluding with you.</h3>

<h3>Because it's statistically improbable that all of these influential users would just have landed on your miraculous post by chance.</h3>

<h3>You will find no useful tips in this post, </h3> <h1> just backlink promotion!</h1>.
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@busser ·
Why not? Let's play this game
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@cryptotony · (edited)
"Creating a value" here, yet even comments to this post of you are getting more $ then my whole service, not complaining, but feels...(((
Show some support...
https://steemit.com/steemit/@cryptotony/steem-link-first-steemit-short-url-service-with-bunch-of-features
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@positive ·
Sorry bro for that. I've checked it out and your work is great!
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@prufarchy ·
Definitely missed this post yesterday, I was in my post-work learning Steemit mode followed by a nap. shot you an upvote for your work, and those feels! Newer members are going to have so many resources when the gates open
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@rok-sivante · (edited)
Dude. you've been spamming this link all over others' comments. 

I saw it earlier. I went to the post. I upvoted and commented positively on the post - despite somebody having pointed out that another user had already put out the same idea at https://steem.ly

I HAVE shown my support. though if you're consistently posting your link on other people's posts when it's not even related to the topic - AND it's been pointed out that someone beat you to creating the idea - that might the reason why it hasn't been getting support.

keep up the developments. you are an asset to the community, having stepped up to create a project like this. much respect. you have been late on putting this particular idea into action, but there's ALOT more other applications yet to come. though frankly, I don't think spamming your links like this is the route to building relationships with the people who can and will show support for future app ideas...
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@freiheit ·
haters gonna hate.
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@mammasitta · (edited)
I know Rok personally and you got that completely wrong !  He is full of passion and means what he expresses . He is also an excellent writer and beautiful man , honest friend who does pay forward and who "walks his talk " #justsaying !
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@positive · (edited)
I got absolutely nothing wrong. If you're going to make such an assertion present a <b>logical argument.</b>

<h3>Simple Maths: </h3>the vote to reward ratio is roughly 1:10.

Which means each vote is worth about $10.

<h3>Why this doesn't make sense:</h3>

For Minnows 1 vote is worth $0.01 at <b>best</b>.

For a dolphin maybe as high as $1-$2.

<h3>So what does this mean?</h3>

It means, he has a <b>swathe of whales vote</b> on his post. All of this I witnessed occurring in about <b>half an hour.</b>

Statistically this is <b>extremely unlikely to happen randomly.</b>

What's likely instead is that he <b>colluded with whales.</b>

<h3>And this is just another pump.</h3>

This is NOT honest behaviour and he knows it, because he's offering exactly what he said he wouldn't offer!
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@rok-sivante ·
i just made a lengthy reply to this below.

YES, I have been added to a bot list. The whales - who have been the ones that have invested in the site and made it even possible - make no secret of their bot strategies, which are designed to support users that have proven themselves to consistently create content they feel is valuable to the community.

more below. and that's a whole other post I'm looking forward to writing tomorrow to help create clarity on the matter, as alot of people are misunderstanding it and thinking its unfair when it actually serves the development of the site.

if ANYONE has Steem Power, they are an investor in the site - and have the full right to choose what writers they support with their votes. the bots are just an automated tool for those who've invested ALOT in the site to continually support those they feel are being valuable contributors to the community.

The whales' votes are worth so much because they've invested millions into this site. Minnows votes are worth next to nothing because they've invested next to nothing in this site.

This is transparent. This is honest. This is fair.
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@nioctib ·
totally agree, fake story, fake promotion
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@prufarchy ·
Ive really been enjoying his posts so I hope this is a misunderstanding and not my first experience in being straight up gamed:/ even if you turn out to be incorrect you're getting my upvote for bringing attention to this
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@rok-sivante ·
check out my reply clarifying the matter - it is a misunderstanding. I will also be making a full story articulating the full situation tomorrow and how it works so people better understand the system and why it actually supports the success of the entire community...
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@prufarchy ·
So I have to lean towards @Rok-sivante on this one, as he has done way more than enough to reassure (at least) me that his intentions are aligned in a way I approve of. he keeps my vote . But that doesn't change my appreciation for the value you bring to the platform as a whole.
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@rok-sivante ·
thank you for your comment. I just spent 10 minutes discussing this with my fiance, and JUST had received noticed via someone on Slack that YES, I have been put on a bot lit. however, the situation as you describe it is not quite the way it is...

I need to write up an entire story of its own to adequately address this issue, and will do so tomorrow - have spent all day writing and off to bed soon. however, a few key points to address first...

there ARE investors in this site who DO you use bots. they make no secret of this. while the details of how it works are scattered here and there and require a deeper knowledge of how it all works, [this post, "I'm a Steem Whale Looking for Writers"](https://steemit.com/curation/@steemed/im-a-steem-whale-looking-for-writers) spells it out well.

the investors who place writers on their bot lists are not "colluding" as though its any sort of conspiracy. the bots are used as tools to support writers who they've determined to produce VALUABLE content. these investors have invested significant chunks of capital into this site because they believe in the venture - and are ready to back users who are consistently producing content that is of VALUE to the site.

think of it as a sponsorship.

Steemit is NEW and just being built. like ANY new company that's being built, TALENT is required. it takes  "TEAMWORK to make the dream work," as they say. investors are ready to invest in talent who they believe are contributing content to the site that will greatly benefit the community. they're willing to "sponsor" top players, just as there are sponsorships for sports figures or musicians or actors. 

you could also think of it as sort of like being hired for a job. Steemit needs TOP QUALITY content to succeed with its vision. no professional writer is going to write for free. so if the venture needs QUALITY content produced, it needs professional writers. the investors have a stake in the company, thus knowing the value professional writers bring to contribute to the venture's success, and thus are willing to invest in writers who they believe can provide the service/product required to assist the company reach its goals. it's like a form of employment - or sponsorship - though given the unique decentralized nature of the system/platform/ecosystem, the bots are a tool created to serve this purpose of rewarding those who have proven themselves to generate CONSISTENT, QUALITY content.

granted, if I were to slack off, take the opportunity for granted, and start posting absolute shit - I would probably, fairly, get removed from the bot list. the reason I have been placed on it is because an investor has determined that what I've been producing is of value to the community. namely, I've been producing alot of content summarizing my lessons along the journey here, so as to shorten the learning curve for newbies - helping them understand the system better, so they can adapt to the environment, learn the rules of the game, produce greater value for the community, thus becoming successful, and increasing the success of the entire community & platform.

if you choose to view the whole system as rigged, unfair, don't learn the rules of the game, and don't create value - don't expect too much from this site. if you put in the time & energy to learn the culture, understand the system, philosophy, details of how it all works, and invest in your writing skills to produce quality, valuable content over & over, success is inevitable. will all people do that? of course not. so is it fair that they don't receive huge rewards, when they never bothered to learn the rules of the game and make the investment to become of value to the community? YES. IT'S FAIR.

there's method behind the madness, order in the chaos. the system is getting its kinks worked out as we go - this is still in beta, we are early adopters, and there's much progress to be made. 


and frankly, I suspect you didn't even read the post, saying in your comment, "This is a "you can make money like me post". - when the third sentence of the story states outright, "**Just to clarify upfront: this NOT a "you can succeed like I can" post,**" carrying on to explain how much time & energy has gone into producing the results - and that not everybody can or will duplicate such results.

I've been completely transparent and will continue to be - just as the whale investors have with their investment strategy. 

I appreciate your feedback, as it's triggered all this to come out so clarity can be generated around the matter. such misunderstanding doesn't help anyone here. learning the elements of VALUE, learning the rules of the game, cultivating skill, and contributing to the community DOES help EVERYONE here. some people will prefer to play the blame game and delegate responsibility for their own success to an "unfair" system - but they're only fooling themselves by failing to hold themselves accountable to grow the knowledge & skill sets required for success. and that's just as equally true in any entrepreneurial undertaking or activity as it is on Steemit - same reason 95% of people fail at any business.

that's it for right now - will be expanding into a post of its own, much better articulated for clarification.

thank you for the negative inspiration... :-)
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@dasan-oneia ·
$1.25
Man you don't need to explain yourself  to these jealous haters, people that think the world owes them something, and that everything that is wrong with "their life" is someone else's fault. they bitch and complain about everything. not just Steemit post truthful if they can add value then they need to be ignored dont reward bad behavoir . they are like snotty nose little brats who give up after a few tries and scream "not fair like a little bitch" it is unmanly and it pissed me off. and i am going to speak up against it every chance i get. what you earn is yours and nobody else what you do with what you have title to is your business no one elses. less it tresspasses upon their rights. if it was up to them we would live in a communist society where a  brain surgeon would earn as much as a fry-cook . f*&K em
for every one who refuses to take responsibility for their own circumstance need to check this out and maybe if you can absorb its concepts thing will start to turn around for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma3ldNtA6Gc
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@dasan-oneia ·
"some people will prefer to play the blame game and delegate responsibility for their own success to an "unfair" system - but they're only fooling themselves by failing to hold themselves accountable to grow the knowledge & skill sets required for success. " Exactly
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@positive · (edited)
Thanks for flagging me x

Nice try, but wrong.

1. The colluding comes from the  #postpromotion tags in Slack.
2. Slack isn't open so newcomers have an unfair advantage.
3. There are people who produce far better content than you, and I think it's arrogant and disrespectful to suggest they earn less because they aren't as good as you.
4. That post you showed me was from 1 month ago, which shows an example of early investor advantage, not talent.
5. Criticizing your rubbish tips, which won't help users not on bot lists (which guarantee votes)make money  isn't negative, it's the truth and it helps users not to waste time, nor to get swindled.

See, at the end I was right, maybe you just want to believe your superior and deserve $1,000 for a completely inaccurate guide.
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@spookypooky ·
Surely our whales wouldn't fall for it...

http://i.imgur.com/zmnGHeR.jpg
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@positive ·
They don't fall for it. They actively collude with this poster. Look at his vote to reward ratio.
Over 1:$10 !!
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@prufarchy ·
You're killing this, dude. This one really resonated with me because I know how it feels to be moving somewhere and not knowing how you're going to make those ends meet. When I left the navy, that was my entire reality upon coming back home to Nyc. And man did it suck riding those couches for 6 months while I did a pivot to get into digital ad ops. 

Thing is, I can feel another pivot coming, replete with a relocation (New Hampshire or Colorado) and everything, and the tough part has been figuring out what's next, professionally. 

I'm glad you found your way. Canada is beautiful, and now you'll be able to move and experience it all without the nagging worry of finances. 

Winning
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@getssidetracked ·
$3.78
"be moving somewhere and not knowing how you're going to make those ends meet"

this is a fear I've been living with for years, steemit is making it slowly but securely go away!
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@mammasitta ·
It's possible ! I did  it more than once .
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@prufarchy ·
Yeah, I would never recommend anyone do what I did: pack up your little hatchback car and drive across the country to figure it out. And then back to ca again, and then Nyc again. 

It was rough, but staying in the navy would've been rougher on my soul
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@stellabelle ·
yeah, there are a ton of people in our situations. It's a systemic problem for sure. I have a college degree and am skilled in many areas, and still i was just scraping by. Something bigger is happening in society.....
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@rules169 ·
I totally agree. Creating value is the best way to make money on here.
Yesterday i did more than just voting and writing some short comments. 
I translated a steemit wallet app, requested by a poster in this community.  Result. I made 30$ for translating 20 mins

Btw great article. Your writing skills are on point (y)
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@rok-sivante ·
thank you.

creating value is the ONLY way. in the long-term, at least. the more you GIVE, the more you'll get back in return. it takes persistence. but eventually, something gets activated and starts flowing more consistently. focus on giving value and the rest will follow... ;-)
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@sigmajin · (edited)
I agree with positive.  Youre talking a big game, but at the end of the day, your post made money because you had the opportunity to promote in ways not available to most users.  You could post your laundry list, and bot followers would still promote it.  

Call it sponsorship if you want.   But what you can't call it is available to most users on this site.
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@freiheit ·
$1.26
More experienced people, of people that have a good reputation, have many advantages.
Being against this is at least unproductive, if not stupid.
I am not a bot, and I do not know in real life a single person involved in Steemit.
And I always try to put my upvote to @rok-sivante and @andrarchy. Because I like what they say.

Should I decide to make a living on Steemit, I would for sure use a bot, just to be sure to upvote good content, that I believe deserves a good reputation.

For me, this is not unfair. If for you this is unfair, probably you should use the blockchain technology to create a new social network in which every person has the same weight.

I think such a social network would become like our "democracies":  a place full of bullshit where the most able marketing experts can manipulate consciousness of other users just to gain power.

For sure there is an eccess of power of some accounts, some because they are founders and some because they invested a lot. But this is fundamental in this startup period, because only people who invested a lot in this project is committed to make it growth in the most fair and wealthy way.

Hope you understood as my english isn't so good to talk about complex topics :P
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@rok-sivante ·
amen, brotha.

your english was fine throughout this. well-stated. thank you for your contribution to the discussion, as it is much appreciated.

yes - the founders OUGHT to have some serious weight to invest, because it is THEIR vision. like any company that hopes to succeed, they must choose their team wisely - who to invest in that they feel have the skills to help grow the venture into the full vision.

keep up the good writing. you know what you're talking about and it is of value to the community. :-)
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@rok-sivante ·
$0.06
if I had promoted my laundry list, I would not have got onto a bot list.

the whales using bots are on the lookout for quality content. anyone who consistently produces value over time will get noticed. it took me weeks of writing every day all day to get on a bot list.

at this point, I might be able to promote a laundry list. but the whales do follow up on what they're voting on - and if found out I wasn't producing the value they wanted to invest in when they put me on the list, I'd be taken off it.

you create your own opportunities on this site. I was making money before on any bot lists because I was producing VALUE. all users have an equal opportunity to become a student of value and produce it. and in the end, we all get rewarded for the value we produce.
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@sigmajin ·
> you create your own opportunities on this site. I was making money before on any bot lists because I was producing VALUE. all users have an equal opportunity to become a student of value and produce it. and in the end, we all get rewarded for the value we produce

want to bet?  Im serious, btw.  Do you care to make a wager on it.  I think it will prove an interesting point.  Say like 100 steem?  If youre interested in a neat social experiment, shoot me an email hamaizes@gmail.com

BTW, lest i come off as an ass,  i have read and enjoyed your posts.  Personally, i feel this particular post  is somewhat facile.  But im not saying you write crap... there are certainly way way lower quality posts out there that make more money.
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@sony88 ·
nice posting.. good luck
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@spookypooky ·
A rant about value that turns out to be thinly veiled clickbait. Weak. 

http://i.imgur.com/MwMCEor.png
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@pirial ·
https://steemit.com/watches/@pirial/free-coins-for-christmas?sort=created#comments
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@rok-sivante ·
at which point did YOU get hung up and miss the value?

The post I linked to multiple times isn't "clickbait"- its a reference to a post containing critical principles of what constitutes VALUE, providing specific, straightforward, simple WISDOM that anyone with an open mind can take and implement to increase THEIR success.

I have little to gain from anyone clicking on my old posts. any whales who have voted have already voted. a bunch of minnows votes isn't enough to buy a coffee. the reason I reference it is because there's tremendous benefit to be gained for those who grasp the concepts within it.

this post is an example of those principles IN ACTION. the 6 posts I referenced were referenced as 6 distinct examples how those 5 key types of value are implemented, producing consistent success - not merely by votes, that some may deem unfair due to whale bots, but moreso by feedback in the comments.
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@steemgrindr ·
Another stellar post, very motivational. 

Best of luck in Canada! Will you be getting married in Bali?
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@rok-sivante ·
cheers.

yes, the wedding will be in Bali, then probably a tour through Thailand & Vietnam in November before back to Canada...
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@steemitpolitics · (edited)
Exactly! I hope you get as many upvotes as possible mate :)
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@rok-sivante ·
thanks mate. pay it forward and pack your content full of value as well. together, we shall rise...
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@stellabelle ·
Hey, Rok, thanks for asking about my whereabouts. I had to get some rest. I was going quite insane! Great post by the way.
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@rok-sivante ·
thanks. glad to have you back :-)
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@tad-auker ·
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My favorite stories are about transformation.  It is inspiring to read or watch a character or an individual discover boundaries, trouble, and obstacles; Then, find the means to reach a goal. On a more narrow point, that I have been evangelizing about - value creation -  I enjoyed your description.  I would add that the rational self interest you describe is the start of self esteem.  Most people, when faced with the blank page, get lost in the question: "What is of value to others?"  That most damning of questions is the bane of all who set out to tell a story -- whatever the medium.  Creators who focus on telling a story, regardless of its perspective,  intended audience, genre, or medium, will achieve their goal.  Achievement in small ways and great will, most times, lead to higher self esteem, greater creativity, and greater productivity. 

Sorry. Got a little long winded for a reply. Great post.
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@rok-sivante ·
dude, no apology necessary - that was the most thoughtful reply here yet!

I'm looking forward to checking out some of your writing - love your viewpoints, very intelligent. keep active here and continue improving your writing & presentation skills, and I think you'll do quite well... :-)
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@the-future · (edited)
What can I say is : WTF man (in a good way) you are incredibil. I made a post 30 min ago and while I was reading your post,I was something like that: Nobody is going to read my post comparing with your post. Amazing! We all aspect to get more upvotes, or the attention of more people, but you have that magic in your words...and that make you feel like:The time is not passing and when the time is not passing...well,you feel great and all of us know that right?Hard workers like you never stops and, the upvotes on your posts should do the same! I hope people to understand what I'am trying to say. Good that we have people like you in this community.
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@getssidetracked · (edited)
Hey "the future" ! I'm looking up to you. ;)
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@the-future ·
I put a picture on your post and I hope is ok.Take a look and if you don't like... I will delete it.
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@rok-sivante ·
thanks for the feedback, man. I appreciate it. :-)
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@wingz ·
I really enjoyed reading this and picked up on lots of new insights.

Thanks for commenting in one of my other posts, your article here feels like an extension of that for me. It really comes down to digging deep and offering up the best value you can offer. Refining it and improving yourself and what you produce, I'll make sure to check out some of your other articles.

Great stuff!
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@rok-sivante ·
$0.15
thanks bro.

YES - digging for the gold within, then sculpting it into a meticulously-detailed masterpiece conducive to maximum receptivity of the core essence of what needs to be communicated.

I'm looking forward to reading more of what you've got on the way. I can tell you've got some real value to offer... ;-)
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@yuhhans ·
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@rok-sivante ·
oh man. it feels weird to throw down $1.54 for people just posting a simple picture of GIF... but by damn, the laugh and smile is well-worth it. :-)
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