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Don't Be a Downvoting Dunce by sean-king

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Don't Be a Downvoting Dunce
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<h3>Votes are for posts and comments, NOT PEOPLE!</h3>
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<p>When teaching a child proper manners, we praise him when he does well and we scold him when he acts inappropriately. &nbsp;It may take repeating this pattern hundreds of times, but eventually (given that &nbsp;most everyone prefers praise/reward to scolding/deprivation) the child learns some manners and becomes a suitable (if not outstanding) member of society, at least if the technique is consistently and properly applied.</p>
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<p>For instance, let's say that your three year old child intentionally throws his food in your face. &nbsp;Clearly, that's unacceptable. &nbsp;So, to teach the child that poor behavior has consequences, perhaps you take away his food for that meal. &nbsp;That's clearly a reasonable response under the circumstances and one that's likely to prove effective in reforming behavior over time. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
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<p>And then maybe later in the day the same child brings you a flower. &nbsp;What do you do? &nbsp;Do you reject it and scold him because he threw food at you earlier that morning? &nbsp;No, you praise him, of course, and likely even give him a hug.&nbsp;</p>
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<p>By thusly incentivizing "good" behavior and ignoring or punishing bad behavior, the child eventually learns the necessary lessons. &nbsp;</p>
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<p><strong>But imagine if instead you became so irate at the food throwing that you decided to "punish" everything the child does from that point forward. &nbsp;Throws food? &nbsp;Punishment. &nbsp;Brings you flowers? &nbsp;Punishment. &nbsp;Blows momma a kiss? &nbsp;Punishment. &nbsp;Kindly strokes the cat? &nbsp;Punishment again. &nbsp;&nbsp;</strong></p>
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<p>("Whipping Girl". Photo by me. &nbsp;Subject: &nbsp;@steemed-open)</p>
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<h3>It's easy to see that an all-punishment-all-the-time system will be completely ineffective at teaching the child anything and will, in fact, likely contribute to the exact behaviors we found so undesirable in the first place.</h3>
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<h3>Unfortunately, many here on Steemit, rightly frustrated as some users' gross misbehavior, have resorted to down voting those users (or at least refusing to upvote them) in most every instance, even when they say or do something nice or insightful. Bots, being currently incapable of discernment, are particularly guilty of this. &nbsp;</h3>
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<p>And the effect on Steemit's ecosystem is predictably not good. &nbsp;Such a voting strategy does nothing to teach Steemsters good etiquette and instead often turns them into vindictive trolls or even enemies of Steem. &nbsp;Even if those users are incapable of wreaking havoc on Steemit itself (due to, for instance, a bad reputation score), they can still do Steemit's reputation much damage in the world at large. &nbsp;As service businesses have long known, just one dissatisfied customer can undo the good public relations work of ten raving fans.&nbsp;</p>
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<p><strong>While the customer, or in this case the Steemit user, may not always be right, they certainly are not alway wrong either. &nbsp;PLEASE VOTE ACCORDINGLY. &nbsp;We should be upvoting and downvoting posts and comments, NOT PEOPLE. &nbsp;</strong></p>
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@anarchony ·
I stepped on the toes of one of these haters, not that i have that great content, but because of one comment i made on a post that had nothing to do with him, i just shared my opinion and he flagged the comment and also all my totally unrelated blogposts.
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@anxietymaven · (edited)
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Disagree because of one particular person here that has caused many women on this site harassment issues. 

https://steemit.com/exposetrolls/@anxietymaven/dantheman-exposing-the-trolls-and-harassers-be-the-change-steemit
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@anxietymaven ·
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I think after seeing this post, that this community is OK with harassment. Please tell me thats not true.
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@feminism ·
I think you are not OK with thinking straight.
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@sean-king ·
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I agree with your call for a block feature.  I disagree that, even in the context you describe, we should be voting down people rather than posts.  The person in question has said many vile things that I've never hesitated to downvote, but also many insightful and helpful things that I never hesitate to upvote.  Just like raising a child, rewarding good behavior is just as important (maybe more important) as punishing bad.
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@anxietymaven ·
I think we will have to agree to disagree. He was rewarded and continues to act as such. Benjmiller222 sent him steem "a little steem for a little reputation" or someone did and claimed it was benjmiller222 so hes been rewarded for whatever behavior he has that had any semblance of being human but for the most part. No. I think not. He is not a child. He is an abuser. A stalker. A harasser and all of the above and is a blight on this community. There is nothing he could contribute that would make anything hes done to the women here better. Unfortunately, there is always one person that ruins it for everyone else and he's it.
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@feminism ·
Thank you for being reasonable. Its hard to find people like you around here.
Im still thinking about the fact that you touched Sasha,
Im dying of envy :)
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@feminism ·
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@gikitiki ·
As usual, you get an update.
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@sean-king ·
Thank you!
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@levycore ·
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@logic · (edited)
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Very good points. It is easy to get tempted to downvote someone who upset you by downvoting your stuff.
I, myself choose my upvotes carefully now. I stopped upvoting whales posts a while ago. Now I choose what to upvote and don't just jump on post becasue it was posted by some whale. I carefully spend up to 8-9 maximum votes a day on posts of people whose posts I like or consider worthy of the recognition, despite that my little SP gives little SD reward yet. I, also often reciprocate upvotes on my posts. I like to give back when others share with me.
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@mctiller ·
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I'm going to agree with @anxietymaven here.

The flaw with your analogy is that those being voted down are not three year olds.  They are grown ups with computers.  And at this point, we should not be in the business of teaching a grown-up, "Hey, it really isn't polite to threaten violence or downgrade someone based on their gender."

But with your analogy, the community would have to constantly keep doing that, while the victim harassment has to keep putting up with it.  

A one time mistake is understandable.  Consistently daily harassment should be stopped.  If it isn't, Steemit will always be niche.
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@sean-king · (edited)
It doesn't matter whether they are three year olds or 300 year olds.  Conditioning of the human mind works the same at any age, only more repetition may be required the older they get.  And yes, we should absolutely be teaching grown ups that it isn't polite to threaten or denegrade people.  How else do you think they'll learn?  And, if they don't learn, who do you think pays for that?

Finally, I agree totally that it needs to be stopped.  I think I just demonstrated conclusively though that my approach is more likely have to stop it while your's is more likely to aggravate it.  Simply downvote every vile statement while upvoting the contructive ones and the problem will solve itself over time.  By contrast, downvote everything good or bad and you'll create a demon.
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@nebcat ·
Haters gonna hate, potatoes gonna potate!
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@pulpably ·
Well-said! While I relate to the impulse to root for favorites, it's not how we will convince new members we value quality content.
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@thecryptofiend ·
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What is particularly bad is whales flagging posts without any explanation so the user doesn't even necessarily know what they have done wrong.  

If you have taken the time to flag at least have the courtesy to say why otherwise the user doesn't learn anything except resentment.

I also think it is bad form if you don't check back to see if the person has corrected the behaviour so you can remove the flag.  

I think part of the problem is that some of the whales are completely untouchable due to their high reputation scores so they are ignorant of how damaging a flag can be to a new user.

It is something whales don't have to worry about so don't even give a second thought to it.

This only hurts Steemit as a platform and scares away new users.
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@sean-king · (edited)
I don't blame whales exclusively or even primarily for this, and to the extent they are to blame it's mainly because they just don't have the time to keep up with everything and not because they are arrogant or "untouchable".  Bots on the other hand, which are often run by whales, are very problematic.  Bots simply can't be discerning and consequently vote on people rather than posts.
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