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ShadowBot and ShadowChat Merging March 1st, 2018! by shadowbot

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· @shadowbot · (edited)
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ShadowBot and ShadowChat Merging March 1st, 2018!
As many of you know, we have a side project in the works, @shadowchat which is a real time, steem based chat. We are happy to announce this week we are in full alpha testing and will begin our working beta over the next 3 weeks!

Along with this news we are announcing the merger of the 2 accounts! All news regarding ShadowChat will be provided here by @shadowbot while @shadowchat will be used only for blockchain based storage.

We will provide our whitepaper and FAQ for ShadowChat in the next few weeks prior to the beta launch!

Thank you again to everyone part of this great system! We could not make all this possible with out each and every last one of you all!
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@amitsharma · (edited)
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@Shadowbot
I Strongly believe and understand, the need of the hour is that Shadowbot be accessible to the all concerned for relevant amount of time for major/minor issues and activities, instead of Only Weekend connectivity! That perhaps leaves us all in Lurch, as to where to connect??? How to communicate??? Glad to hear about Shadowchat!!! & the merger !!!
In the meantime, would also like to know, if Shadowbot is on Discord !!!??? Kindly lemme know!

Secondly...What about the Shadowbot Rank recalculations, this Sunday!!!???
**_"ShadowBot recalculates Shadow Rank for each Shadow Caster every Sunday at 12am eastern."_**
Will be really glad, if this is executed, as specified, without any deviations!
Looking forward to it!!!

Thanks, Kindly !!!
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@shadowbot ·
All Shadow Rank recalculations are run once per week, we will look into your account specifically but the system appears to have run properly. We will ensure if anything was not properly run to adjust and correct it!

ShadowChat will allow us all to communicate on a more real time basis. We attempt to respond to everyone as quickly as possible for every reply we receive.
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@amitsharma · (edited)
Yes, there seems to be an issue!!! for the reason that since last week's recalculations, I have been regularly monitoring and following the system and there has been substantial VP share contribution from my side, that has been used by @shadowbot perhaps 4 times in 24 hours and I have been expecting a substantial rise in the shadowbot rank!!! and I have been waiting since Sunday 12am ET to see and check the updates, there have been none though!!!
Kindly review and resolve!

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@anikett · (edited)
Hello @shadowbot I am not getting upvotes nor going upvotes from last 2 /   3 weeks from my account also I cant's see my name on Casters. Please help me. Thanks
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@ery ·
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I would stop draining what little money you make and sending it to bittrex and other accounts. Whats the point in being apart of a pool of people that work as a team if you're just going to draw everything out and not pitch in. Your account has 3 steem, powerup gets your account built up so it can partake in the teamwork. just my 2 cents
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@arcange ·
Congratulations @shadowbot!
Your post was mentioned in the [hit parade](https://steemit.com/hit-parade/@arcange/daily-hit-parade-20180122) in the following category:

* Upvotes - Ranked 2 with 1136 upvotes
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@hafiz34 ·
There is already a chat room on blockchain. steemit.chat . Shadowbot can make a room there or in discord. What is the benefits of making separate chat site?
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@alphacore ·
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you can see here original post: [shadowbot-preparing-for-launch-of-shadow-chat](https://steemit.com/steemit/@shadowbot/shadowbot-preparing-for-launch-of-shadow-chat)
and more has been said since then, but primarily the benefit would be that less fraud is happening from fake accounts on the chat copying the names of someone's account on steem. This should be obvious but people you talk to on rocket.chat are not always who they say they are, and many people fall for scams from trusting the use of a chat that isn't actually linked to steem in any way. 

As an example, here is one of many instances of someone finding scammers on steemit.chat: https://steemit.com/scam/@fuzzyvest/the-false-fuzzy-on-steemit-chat
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@amitsharma ·
I can surely understand that ! Its a valid point!, however there is also the need of the hour that the existing system functions properly and the users who are contributing are benefited as well. So in short, the current system's proper functionality is the priority and need of the hour!!!
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@paced.financial ·
Steemit.chat is not a blockchain based chat system. You make a separate username and password and it has nothing to do with the steem blockchain and is also a centralized program that is controlled by the founders of it. Shadowchat won't have that sort of over site and control. Also most importantly you can up vote people's chat messages a huge feature that isn't part of steemit.chat because like I said it isn't built on the steem blockchain. Steemtools.com has every steem tool made so far and the only two real time chat programs are practically irc channels with slightly better user interfaces. All centralized closed source programs top to bottom.
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@paced.financial ·
Well steemtools.com has a very vast library of all the steem applications made. They do rely on developers or users to add the tool to their library so I'm sure they are missing some. Even though there is probly over 100 tools there.
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@rewardpoolrape ·
You're so nice for commenting on this post.  For that, I gave you a vote!  I just ask for a Follow in return!
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@shadowbot ·
As others pointed out, we are building a real time chat that will be published and verifiable by the steem blockchain, this currently does not exist to our knowledge and will also open up our future protocols that will allow notifications and many other features to be built on top of the steem blockchain that steemit.com does not support.
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@kalam · (edited)
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Hello,  @shadowbot

This week my SR wasn't recalculated. I'm still not receiving upvotes (I recieved like 2 upvotes for whole week) and shadow reward is still displaying my on votes as rewards.. Do something with this or I'm leaving by next sunday.

Thank you
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@shadowbot ·
We do not currently see you in our active members. We are constantly working to ensure everyone gets their fair share of votes! Did you delete your account with us? We do not currently see you in our members list.
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@mattuk ·
If you need any beta testers I'm more then happy to help. 
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@sefalist ·
Is there a problem on @shadowbot .. My account upvote others but to my post upvoted last time 23 hours ago.
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@sehrishfatima ·
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Very Intresting @shadowbot We are Waiting for shadowchat Thanks  Resteemed
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@shadowbot ·
It will be the beginning of a huge shift in our focus from just a simple bot community to a full on social platform built on steem itself! Thanks for being part of this we couldn't do it without everyone of you!
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@turkishcrew ·
Congratulations  best news
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@vishal09 · (edited)
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@alphacore · (edited)
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less votes than normal: it is because more priority is given to higher steem power now. I don't mean to be rude but if you didn't cash out 90% to bittrex it might be better for the pool, so I would say this is not actually a problem in terms of how the system is operating. Trust me that I understand the tactics of moving SBD into BTC right now and buying steem later to multiply it, so if that is what you are doing then great, but an algorithm has no way to differentiate between intentions of behaviors from individual people and must be structured in a way that benefits the most people on average and in many cases where critical abuse scenarios are possible a system must assume the worst of people by default to protect the others involved, and if someone can drain the pool into bittrex using a bunch of tiny accounts and never power up we are in a very bad position for long term growth (I am not saying that is what you are doing, but that the system itself should assume that you are by way of factoring in SP and the rate of your SP increasing over time).

If anyone is able to collect a large chunk of the rewards but never increases their SP we are not accelerating properly. You have powered up about 16SP in all of available history outside of post amounts, but have sent ~115SBD to bittrex, and I don't judge you for that but from a system standpoint it can and should look like someone draining the pool because there is no way for the system to assess you as a person or determine if what you are doing is legitimate or not, it just has a bunch of numbers to work with unless things start to get really advanced. So just imagine if all the high-rank 15SP accounts wake up and replicate the pattern, they could farm our pool and send it to bittrex and we will all be voting into dumping the price of SBD at their profit for people that have their rank simply from old idle accounts that have no voting power to offer anything in return, and instead of increasing their 15SP they just cash out, so the system must learn to understand SP and the value it holds. Again, I don't mean it personally but it just so happens you are in a position that facilitates my expression of this serious concern and one of the primary reasons I push for SP-weight (among so many reasons, being one of the primary is significant) People attempting to drain the pool in one way or another will always be the frontmost issue we find ourselves dealing with, but from a system standpoint one of the best ways to prevent this kind of abuse is to place more value onto accounts having higher SP, because those are the kind of people most likely to keep powering up and are already offering the most in return. 

I think something your issue highlights is the gradient decline of number of votes doesn't extend beyond the FVL voters range, but rather singular votes are concentrated and have some cutoff range, so you get a black and white difference between a small range of rank at that specific threshold going from 500 votes immediately down to 50, but those 50 do come from the highest SP holders so you are still getting quite a lot in return compared to most people in the pool, just looking at your caster page [here](https://shadowbot.us/shadowbot/dashboard.php?shadow_id=53) your posts get about half of their total value from the shadow pool, somewhere in the range of 2.5 added to payout, and using [this tool](https://www.steemnow.com/upvotecalc.html) to calculate you are giving about 0.07 to the pool from a vote. One problem here is that posting frequency is not yet factored into the equation other than limitations for anti-spam, so the opposite is not part of the weight you are given and an infrequent posting time will not earn any extra to make up for time idle. I am not sure it should considering the dead accounts that have high rank just from their age, but assuming you posted once per day you would currently be in the range of gaining 350% what upvoting yourself would gain and that is assuming you allow shadowbot 100% voting, so at your current status it is actually something in the range of 700%, which is far beyond any other offering on steemit, so despite being less than the peak from a month ago it is still quite extreme, especially considering you still have the option to move up even more. At one point your return was much higher than this already extreme ratio, and the change to factoring in SP has reduced it, but at another point you had way less than you do now so from that perspective you are still way ahead. I think the next step is POWER UP! Everyone in the pool should be encouraged to power up really, no matter what rank they have. All it will take is a couple people from those old micro accounts to start draining the pool to show the current weighting of SP is actually very lenient and still in favor of smaller accounts and account age.

Anyway, as a game designer your kind of problem is the kind I prefer to solve even if I don't agree it actually is one. I contemplate the issue and it seems to mostly derive from the cliff of queue depths where non FVL voters never reach down beyond a certain range except when those higher rank than that range are inactive. This means you could be getting less votes simply from others jumping ahead of you in rank, or you could be getting less votes from inactive accounts waking up and posting, but in either case the number of votes decreases by a large margin as soon as you fall outside the range of non-FVL voting.

I think to resolve this problem shadowbot will need some gradient decline of the smaller votes so that people can notice their votes increasing over time rather than in big chunks when they hit a specific range. To do this there could be some kind of overflow mechanic where a post reaches a certain number of votes and then starts diverting some of them to the rank below, and the overflow amount could be based on rank as well. Supposing the threshold is a static amount it would automatically scale alongside the total size of the pool. Ex: 1000vote overflow threshold would behave differently now than it would once there are 2000 voters. This might be tricky to avoid problems and open the door to some abuse, but mitigated by priority being isolated away from rank according to SP. I am sure there are other solutions, but that is my random idea for it.
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@vishal09 · (edited)
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@amitsharma · (edited)
Ohhh !!! So, you are also facing the similar shadow rank re-calculation issue!!!
I too, expect a speedy solution !
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@paced.financial · (edited)
I don't think you or @vishal09 will see any increase in voting amounts till the FVL and other thresholds are moved to make people over the FVL get more benefits from the pool. This is especially true for Vishal since you are way under the FVL. Minnow days and the recently announce dolphin days (shadowbot called this by a different name) should help people on the bottom and in the middle of steem power of the pool get more benefits from shadowbot to sorta balance out your shadowbot rewards. As more and more people come into shadowbot the voting power and how much it needs to spread to users and when will contstantly change. Also as changes to the thresholds and changes to the implementation of dolphin and minnow days happen changes to your typical earnings will result. Also voting power was recently added as a factor to your earnings. And this will obviously cause some changes to your earnings as well. So I wouldn't necessarily hold your breath to see a correction, because there very well may be nothing to correct till a massive change to the whole pool is done like moving the threshold amounts. Sure @shadowbot will look into it regardless, just felt like sharing that a decrease in your average earnings is normal and seen throughout the pool not just your accounts. And is a result of the half dozen or so things mentioned prior in this comment. Also that shadowbot has ways to remedy it for the whole pool using the thresholds, shadowbot doesn't change those on a day to day basis though it'd be ridiculously hard to track for problems and efficacy if they were.
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@rewardpoolrape ·
You're so nice for commenting on this post.  For that, I gave you a vote!  I just ask for a Follow in return!
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