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· @sneak ·
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xkcd, like seinfeld, always did it first and better.
https://xkcd.com/1357/

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@afrog ·
They showed me the door either. Yes, and I'm out. No more first class content from my side anymore. Bye steemit. Your people are really lovely but some people are just rich. They do what they want. Free speech is a fake. Censorship is the standard. Asymetric vote power is the tool for repression.
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@sneak ·
There is no censorship or moderation on steemit.com whatsoever at the moment (with the exception of copyrighted content we are bound by law to remove under DMCA). I haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about.
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@afrog ·
Yes, i know. Don't worry. it is just my fault. I'm not interested to discuss it. I'm just writing about. But never more in whales land.
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@demotruk · (edited)
That comic is so Ameri-centric. Conflating the principle of the right to free speech with a particular US legal restriction on government provides a convenient way to justify the shutting down of debate.

Valuing free speech goes further than that. Healthy debate requires that ideas are not supppressed whether the forum is technically privately owned or public (remember, there are no truly public places on the internet, every forum can be bought and have debate shut down, just look at Reddit which now is trying to "clean up" to please advertisers).

And freedom of speech *is* supposed to protect you from consequences. If you are penalized for expressing a political view, then you are not free to do so by definition. We value this freedom in order to be able to hash out our differences without fear. If we are afraid to speak our mind, our views will be held silently and unchallenged. Does anyone actually think that the recent trend of shaming as a weapon against prejudice and "hate" has done *anything* to reduce those elements in society? If anything they seem to exacerbate it.
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@sneak ·
Anonymous and pseudonymous speech sidestep those problems nicely.
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@demotruk ·
Pseudonymous speech is routinely deleted and throttled on privately owned forums, and in the case with the Reddit CEO, even edited.
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@sneak ·
> That comic is so Ameri-centric. Conflating the principle of the right to free speech with a particular US legal restriction on government provides a convenient way to justify the shutting down of debate.

People have the right to shut down certain types of debate when that debate presumes upon access to *their audience*.  My free speech rights don't include the right to run into a concert and grab the mike away from Kanye to talk about my own views.

Same goes on the Internet.  If an author posts content in a predictable place, that author has the right to shut down debate *in that particular place*, because they have spent time cultivating that audience, which has grown to trust their views and editorial decisions.

Same goes for any website or forum.  Freedom from censorship is not a US-centric thing.  Nothing about this comic references the 1st Amendment to the US constitution.
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@demotruk · (edited)
The comic references the first amendment specifically in the third panel.

>Same goes on the Internet. If an author posts content in a predictable place, that author has the right to shut down debate in that particular place, because they have spent time cultivating that audience, which has grown

This same comic is used to justify censorship in places where the audience was there due to a lack of or minimal editorial policy. The private nature of websites means that (at least until the advent of public blockchains), there is no place safe from an arbitrary change in ownership or editorial policy even when it explicitly violates the trust (such as when the owners or moderators have promised it won't happen) of their users.

It follows from this comic that there if no place where the shutting down of debate is unacceptable, only who gets to shut it down. If so what is the point of claiming to value free speech on the internet? Where exactly is anyone protected from censorship by such a value/concept?
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@eric-boucher ·
The light heartedness of this while being a bit educational too is quite interesting, who was the official target of your cartoon?

Namaste     :)
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@mallorcaman · (edited)
I Miss Seinfeld
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@raymonjohnstone ·
Roflz love it. What if the internet is the government however? and classical government is done away with?
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@ackza ·
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Bit Congress is the future of government. p2p voting with Proof of "be Nice" lol, no proof of Love! or proof of proof, proof of not lying, i dunno i triedlooking up proof of service, i found THIS court rom definition lol
"Papers which start an action (Summons, Petition, Order to Show Cause, etc) must be filed first and then served on the other person(s). ... After the papers are served, a Proof of Service form must be filled out and signed by the person who served the papers. The Proof of Service form must be filed with the court."

so proof of service already means in court jargon, proof that someone's been served a court summons LOL 

or maybe in future peopel will say "man's hes a real proof of work" as an insult instead of Piece of work

man i forgot about XKCD, they were old school internet from teh days of web 2.0

hah remmber web 2.0? 

RENMBER DIGG?!?!

Digg.com alex jones even mentioned it a few days ago, no iea why, its not user submited site anymore is it? man digg was the original reddit hah andthen thre was that mass exodus

i only found OUT about reddit BECAUSEi was looking up Mobile versions of Digg (like diggriver0 on my RAZR pe android phjone which had a simple text browser, and i could read reddit on there but not digg, and i found that site rddit when looking for a "mobile version of digg" and i never went back to digg after that reddit was the best but wanst as big so u had to refresh all day to get new content, man was it special back then 

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@raymonjohnstone ·
I soo agree man. The only thing i ever digg for was sharing tho i didnt browse it.
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@steevc ·
You are free to be an asshole!
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