create account

Hive SBI for LEO Threads? by steembasicincome

View this thread on: hive.blog |  peakd.com |  ecency.com
hive-189312 · @steembasicincome ·
$21.13
Hive SBI for LEO Threads?
We recently saw this inquiry on Leo Snaps:
https://peakd.com/@senorcoconut/re-senorcoconut-ps3nqmxa

![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/steembasicincome/23uRLAvwRPtZSaB37ARxBEaGjrwybgZNEYnundGrNxy1d5p4wXmjKABhNiEV7VfgUPwSc.png)

For those using a translation software:
> How possible would it be to create a sort of Hive Basic Income type thing but for Leo on our threads??? With an obvious limit to how many threads get the payout per account.

# Hive SBI Response

Our entire software stack is open source, so it could be spun up by anybody for threads, with some modifications to narrow it to that app/community. 
Our preferred alternative - anybody could contribute a pull request with the requisite changes. Hive SBI already has a small amount of LEO on @sbi-tokens and would review and approve pull requests that accurately enable users to delegate LEO to @sbi-tokens for bonus Hive SBI units. Hive SBI would also commit a fair value of bonus units to developers that contribute to our project.

The real implications are around the economic implications of automated comment voting. Threads and Snaps are considered by some to be lower effort than full-form posts, and in the past automated voting on comments and short-form content has been problematic. This is easily mitigated for a particular community if the pull request above includes the following features:

1. An oracle that calculates the HIVE value of LEO votes.
2. The capability to upvote LEO threads with @sbi-tokens only instead of primary SBI accounts.
3. The capability to check threads for the voted value and remove it from member's accumulated balance.

At present Hive SBI members get their LEO and other token votes as tiny 'bonuses' that are relatively immaterial compared to their regular upvote value, since less than 1% of program assets are in tokens. The value of these token votes is not removed from member pending balances. The listed changes would enable members to receive pending balance specifically from their Threads contribution, while drawing minimally from the Hive Rewards pool (enabling Threads to decline Hive Rewards payment and earn exclusively from LEO votes). This would reduce the likelihood of downvotes from the broader Hive community, but does not preclude the possibility of downvotes originating within the LEO community when content is considered not good enough to merit the automated votes received. 

The above-mentioned changes would enable members to take value directly in Threads instead of long-form content. If implemented, Hive SBI would commit to ramping up their current staking pattern for LEO (and once implemented for LEO, similar could easily be implemented for other communities.)

While these capabilities are officially on the Hive SBI roadmap, there is not currently an active full time developer in the Hive SBI project. Development has usually been done by community members willing to work for bonus units and then get paid over time via their upvote value. If any developer would like to tackle the project, we're happy to get into more detail either in formal proposals on github or in the Hive SBI discord. We do think it would be easier to deploy code updates to the existing Hive SBI stack than it would be to fork the project and start from scratch.

----

You can learn more about Hive SBI on our [website](https://www.hivesbi.com).
👍  , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , and 697 others
properties (23)
authorsteembasicincome
permlinkhive-sbi-for-leo-threads
categoryhive-189312
json_metadata"{"app":"peakd/2024.12.6","format":"markdown","description":"A quick look at what it would take for Hive SBI to support Threads","tags":["hive-sbi","curation","services","community","leo","threads"],"users":["senorcoconut","sbi-tokens"],"image":["https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/steembasicincome/23uRLAvwRPtZSaB37ARxBEaGjrwybgZNEYnundGrNxy1d5p4wXmjKABhNiEV7VfgUPwSc.png"]}"
created2025-01-09 15:19:39
last_update2025-01-09 15:19:39
depth0
children14
last_payout2025-01-16 15:19:39
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value10.656 HBD
curator_payout_value10.475 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length3,392
author_reputation311,011,824,181,320
root_title"Hive SBI for LEO Threads?"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id139,854,850
net_rshares34,913,160,122,689
author_curate_reward""
vote details (761)
@anderssinho ·
$0.04
Would be cool, but carefully designed so it wont be abused I guess :)
👍  , ,
properties (23)
authoranderssinho
permlinkre-steembasicincome-sptvff
categoryhive-189312
json_metadata{"tags":["hive-189312"],"app":"peakd/2024.12.6","image":[],"users":[]}
created2025-01-09 15:38:06
last_update2025-01-09 15:38:06
depth1
children2
last_payout2025-01-16 15:38:06
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.020 HBD
curator_payout_value0.020 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length70
author_reputation80,371,203,596,748
root_title"Hive SBI for LEO Threads?"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id139,855,416
net_rshares70,243,049,956
author_curate_reward""
vote details (3)
@senorcoconut ·
@senorcoconut "yeah that was my point when I said it would have a..."
yeah that was my point when I said it would have a limit per account and per number of threads one can benefit from daily
properties (22)
authorsenorcoconut
permlinkre-anderssinho-2xixokxbg
categoryhive-189312
json_metadata{"app":"leothreads/0.3","format":"markdown","tags":["leofinance"],"canonical_url":"https://inleo.io/threads/view/senorcoconut/re-anderssinho-2xixokxbg","isPoll":false,"pollOptions":{},"dimensions":[]}
created2025-01-10 03:28:36
last_update2025-01-10 03:28:36
depth2
children0
last_payout2025-01-17 03:28:36
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length123
author_reputation101,345,684,587,724
root_title"Hive SBI for LEO Threads?"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id139,869,388
net_rshares0
@theiam · 
# ♦️ You got 0.01 [FELT](https://peakd.com/hive/@theiam/introducing-felt-sentiment-token-spbhj9) for sharing high vibes on Hive. 

[📋♦️ FELT Info](https://peakd.com/hive/@theiam/introducing-felt-sentiment-token-spbhj9)
properties (22)
authortheiam
permlinkre-re-steembasicincome-sptvff-20250505t022330z
categoryhive-189312
json_metadata"{"app": "beem/0.24.19"}"
created2025-05-05 02:23:30
last_update2025-05-05 02:23:30
depth2
children0
last_payout2025-05-12 02:23:30
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length219
author_reputation-43,549,547,585
root_title"Hive SBI for LEO Threads?"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id142,517,016
net_rshares0
@cwow2 ·
$0.03
Having this applying for Snaps would be awesome aswell, even though it would just be Hive and not Leo. 
But again with limits and I can see how people see short form as not effort :)
👍  ,
properties (23)
authorcwow2
permlinkre-steembasicincome-sptv66
categoryhive-189312
json_metadata{"tags":["hive-189312"],"app":"peakd/2024.12.6","image":[],"users":[]}
created2025-01-09 15:32:30
last_update2025-01-09 15:32:30
depth1
children4
last_payout2025-01-16 15:32:30
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.014 HBD
curator_payout_value0.015 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length182
author_reputation208,687,045,415,181
root_title"Hive SBI for LEO Threads?"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id139,855,305
net_rshares50,008,981,857
author_curate_reward""
vote details (2)
@josephsavage · (edited)
$0.04
If we implemented as above, it would be for LEO and not for HIVE (voting only with @sbi-tokens account to reward LEO, then checking what was rewarded and removing that value from member pending balances). That's the only way we would do automated voting on Threads or Snaps.

We have an alternate plan (although no reason both couldn't be implemented) that would let members spend their pending balance curating others, and it would support comments as well as posts (since all votes would be manually curated by the account that is spending its own pending balance).

For an example of how it might work
!sbi status

You can see in the response that I have a ridiculous pending balance because I almost never post. I could include a control phrase in my response.
!sbi curate

The Hive SBI bot could see the control phrase, check against my pending balance, and then deliver an upvote on your comment. A comment size vote default at maybe five cents, or standard 1/3 of pending balance for members with smaller pending balances, still at a minimum of 0.021 cents so it doesn't dust.

There are a few pieces that would need implemented for it to work, but it's a smaller project than the one in the post.

We would also commit bonus units to development of this project.
👍  ,
properties (23)
authorjosephsavage
permlinkre-cwow2-sptvj2
categoryhive-189312
json_metadata{"tags":"hive-189312"}
created2025-01-09 15:40:15
last_update2025-01-09 15:42:21
depth2
children3
last_payout2025-01-16 15:40:15
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.018 HBD
curator_payout_value0.019 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length1,270
author_reputation40,260,007,396,591
root_title"Hive SBI for LEO Threads?"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id139,855,480
net_rshares64,776,541,063
author_curate_reward""
vote details (2)
@cwow2 ·
$0.03
I love the idea. But people would just curate their 2nd or 3rd account, properly x)
👍  ,
properties (23)
authorcwow2
permlinkre-josephsavage-sptvtw
categoryhive-189312
json_metadata{"tags":["hive-189312"],"app":"peakd/2024.12.6","image":[],"users":[]}
created2025-01-09 15:46:42
last_update2025-01-09 15:46:42
depth3
children1
last_payout2025-01-16 15:46:42
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.013 HBD
curator_payout_value0.014 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length83
author_reputation208,687,045,415,181
root_title"Hive SBI for LEO Threads?"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id139,855,714
net_rshares47,157,695,486
author_curate_reward""
vote details (2)
@sbi2 · 
Hi @josephsavage!

* you have 22 units and 3481 bonus units
* your rshares balance is 987850205451866 or 707.485 $
* your next SBI upvote is predicted to be 235.828 $
<br>
<br>Have you seen our [website](https://www.hivesbi.com)?<br>It's a great resource to check your Hive SBI levels, along with your history of who has sponsored you and what upvotes we have provided you!
properties (22)
authorsbi2
permlinkre-re-cwow2-sptvj2-20250109t154233z
categoryhive-189312
json_metadata"{"app": "steembasicincome/0.1.2"}"
created2025-01-09 15:42:33
last_update2025-01-09 15:42:33
depth3
children0
last_payout2025-01-16 15:42:33
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length374
author_reputation9,221,960,336,887
root_title"Hive SBI for LEO Threads?"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id139,855,560
net_rshares0
@hivebuzz · 
Congratulations @steembasicincome! You have completed the following achievement on the Hive blockchain And have been rewarded with New badge(s)

<table><tr><td><img src="https://images.hive.blog/60x70/https://hivebuzz.me/@steembasicincome/payout.png?202502090027"></td><td>You received more than 134000 HP as payout for your posts, comments and curation.<br>Your next payout target is 136000 HP.<br><sub>The unit is Hive Power equivalent because post and comment rewards can be split into HP and HBD</sub></td></tr>
</table>

<sub>_You can view your badges on [your board](https://hivebuzz.me/@steembasicincome) and compare yourself to others in the [Ranking](https://hivebuzz.me/ranking)_</sub>
<sub>_If you no longer want to receive notifications, reply to this comment with the word_ `STOP`</sub>



**Check out our last posts:**
<table><tr><td><a href="/hive-122221/@hivebuzz/pum-202501-delegations"><img src="https://images.hive.blog/64x128/https://i.imgur.com/fg8QnBc.png"></a></td><td><a href="/hive-122221/@hivebuzz/pum-202501-delegations">Our Hive Power Delegations to the January PUM Winners</a></td></tr></table>
properties (22)
authorhivebuzz
permlinknotify-1739061311
categoryhive-189312
json_metadata{"image":["https://hivebuzz.me/notify.t6.png"]}
created2025-02-09 00:35:12
last_update2025-02-09 00:35:12
depth1
children0
last_payout2025-02-16 00:35:12
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length1,123
author_reputation369,328,383,829,132
root_title"Hive SBI for LEO Threads?"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id140,657,960
net_rshares0
@senorcoconut ·
$0.03
@senorcoconut "Wow great!!! So in theory it's possible. I will ha..."
Wow great!!! So in theory it's possible. I will have to read the post a couple more times to understand some of the mechanics you were talking about.
👍  
properties (23)
authorsenorcoconut
permlinkre-steembasicincome-2qjqzvrrz
categoryhive-189312
json_metadata{"app":"leothreads/0.3","format":"markdown","tags":["leofinance"],"canonical_url":"https://inleo.io/threads/view/senorcoconut/re-steembasicincome-2qjqzvrrz","isPoll":false,"pollOptions":{},"dimensions":[]}
created2025-01-10 03:26:54
last_update2025-01-10 03:26:54
depth1
children0
last_payout2025-01-17 03:26:54
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.016 HBD
curator_payout_value0.017 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length152
author_reputation101,345,684,587,724
root_title"Hive SBI for LEO Threads?"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id139,869,377
net_rshares56,180,114,457
author_curate_reward""
vote details (1)
@senorcoconut ·
@senorcoconut "!sbi status ..."
!sbi status
properties (22)
authorsenorcoconut
permlinkre-steembasicincome-d88hmeep
categoryhive-189312
json_metadata{"app":"leothreads/0.3","format":"markdown","tags":["leofinance"],"canonical_url":"https://inleo.io/threads/view/senorcoconut/re-steembasicincome-d88hmeep","isPoll":false,"pollOptions":{},"dimensions":[]}
created2025-01-10 03:35:30
last_update2025-01-10 03:35:30
depth1
children1
last_payout2025-01-17 03:35:30
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length13
author_reputation101,345,684,587,724
root_title"Hive SBI for LEO Threads?"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id139,869,511
net_rshares0
@sbi4 · 
Hi @senorcoconut!

* you have 304 units and 0 bonus units
* your rshares balance is 971417496993 or 0.702 $
* your next SBI upvote is predicted to be 0.234 $
<br>
<br>Have you seen our [website](https://www.hivesbi.com)?<br>It's a great resource to check your Hive SBI levels, along with your history of who has sponsored you and what upvotes we have provided you!
properties (22)
authorsbi4
permlinkre-re-steembasicincome-d88hmeep-20250110t033732z
categoryhive-189312
json_metadata"{"app": "steembasicincome/0.1.2"}"
created2025-01-10 03:37:33
last_update2025-01-10 03:37:33
depth2
children0
last_payout2025-01-17 03:37:33
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length365
author_reputation6,270,258,382,792
root_title"Hive SBI for LEO Threads?"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id139,869,554
net_rshares0
@shawnnft · 
seems cool. great work, keep building :3
properties (22)
authorshawnnft
permlinkre-steembasicincome-spu146
categoryhive-189312
json_metadata{"tags":["hive-189312"],"app":"peakd/2024.12.6","image":[],"users":[]}
created2025-01-09 17:40:57
last_update2025-01-09 17:40:57
depth1
children0
last_payout2025-01-16 17:40:57
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length40
author_reputation502,073,136,048,255
root_title"Hive SBI for LEO Threads?"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id139,858,706
net_rshares0
@theiam · 
# ♦️ You got 0.01 [FELT](https://peakd.com/hive/@theiam/introducing-felt-sentiment-token-spbhj9) for sharing high vibes on Hive. 

[📋♦️ FELT Info](https://peakd.com/hive/@theiam/introducing-felt-sentiment-token-spbhj9)
properties (22)
authortheiam
permlinkre-hive-sbi-for-leo-threads-20250504t021208z
categoryhive-189312
json_metadata"{"app": "beem/0.24.19"}"
created2025-05-04 02:12:09
last_update2025-05-04 02:12:09
depth1
children0
last_payout2025-05-11 02:12:09
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.000 HBD
curator_payout_value0.000 HBD
pending_payout_value0.000 HBD
promoted0.000 HBD
body_length219
author_reputation-43,549,547,585
root_title"Hive SBI for LEO Threads?"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 HBD
percent_hbd10,000
post_id142,495,475
net_rshares0
Help/Feedback