If you're a Steemian, I think it's safe to say that you know what Bitcoin is and how powerful it may be in the future. I'm really not looking to forecast the price of Bitcoin, nor do I care. In fact, this is what I think when I see most people trying to do so: https://media.giphy.com/media/TASzmB7QbVTLq/giphy-downsized-large.gif [](https://media.giphy.com/media/TASzmB7QbVTLq/giphy-downsized-large.gif) ------ As a long term holder, Bitcoin are poker chips that are no longer valued in USD. They afford a seat at the table, and symbolize a first class ticket to being prepared for future value transfer. The same goes for Ethereum in its own right. If I'm wrong on this, I won't even blink because I had the balls to believe in a vision and not sell out of it during the craziest of times. Sure, I could cash out and float on fiat, but I don't want to. My values have distinctly changed to not want that. If crypto fails and all tokens become worthless, I'll truly be at peace for the valiant attempt. For some reason, I just feel comfortable with everything that I don't second guess myself. It took a few months to learn this lesson a while ago when I first got involved, but I gradually learned to not care about the market value of the blue-chips anymore. Ironically, I view most other alt coins as the opposite, still as USD, and primarily as lottery tickets. It's just the way I view it. In a super speculative space where 90%+ of alts may die off, these extremely risky options are largely unappealing to me because of the low odds of success. I don't want to gamble on top of what many consider gambling in the first place. In my opinion, I think Bitcoin's fiat price will eventually become irrelevant over time. Having Bitcoin will be the actual value, not its market price tied to a dying system. This may also be the case for other coins, but I personally don't see Bitcoin losing its dominance for a while. ----- ##### Forming The Question... ##### While Steem is great and promising, I'm wondering if anyone would be willing to share their reasoning IF they don't hold any Bitcoin. I understand that buying it now could be cost prohibitive for most, but even 1/10th could be powerful in a few years... and maybe even essential down the line. To me, the risk-reward ratio is so heavily lopsided to the positive, that being empty-handed when we're all fully aware of it feels like a tragic sort of thing (no offense - and I could be 100% wrong). Being romantically devoted to other projects is all good, but I think a foundation in the staples at the same time would make this a safer play. The vision and runway seems so clear to my potentially extremely biased eyes, but if I had one nickel back for every time I felt that way and saw people worrying about the short-term charts to get scared off... https://media.giphy.com/media/l8VC6CsNoz3Us/giphy-downsized-large.gif [](https://media.giphy.com/media/l8VC6CsNoz3Us/giphy-downsized-large.gif) ##### The Question: ##### _Why do or don't you hold Bitcoin now?_ <sup>No judgment at all. This is a safe space.</sup> Is it a lack of funds thing, or is it because you don't like it? If you feel the tech isn't there, don't forget that tech evolves every day... As fairly obvious advice for those with interest, but lacking the means, liquid Steem earnings are a perfect faucet to accumulate your first Satoshis. Thanks for reading my opinions and questions, which are not to be taken as financial advice. @steemmatt
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rj1 | 0 | 513,892,539 | 100% | ||
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smartmeme | 0 | 11,161,679,312 | 100% | ||
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I don't hold bitcoin because it consumes too much energy and the rate is manipulated by we don't know who.
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I understand those principles, but if Bitcoin and crypto do succeed, wouldn't having at least a slice be a hedge against not having any at all when you might need or be able to get a lot of utility from it? If you had some, those factors could also potentially let up over time.
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I actually took some of your opinion on bitcoin and traded 2/3 of my litecoin for it. I played the upswing in the market and made out well, considering the fluctuations. Bitcoin is quite expensive though so itβs hard to make investments in it. Relatively speaking the price isnβt that bad compared to highs but itβs still expensive particularly when we have unit bias. Iβd love to own a solitary whole bitcoin but unsure if Iβll make it to there. Wide range here but do you own >1 bitcoin? Iβm guessing so but curious. No need to tell us the full amount. Posted using [Partiko iOS](https://partiko.app/referral/cmplxty)
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As long as you're comfortable with your LTC/BTC move, then peace be with you!! I think diversification is really important, and having some of the kingpin of crypto as a baseline will probably be worth the while, but we all know that crypto is nuts and anything can happen. Leveraging the price action to accumulate more net tokens is brilliant. I should do that, but I don't touch my crypto really in fear of making a mistake. I made one big mistake in the past and never want to do that ever again, so I avoid it. I will probably build a little trading portfolio for fun and to challenge myself, but my core remains offline. As for amount, I keep that private. Let's say it's between 0.0000001 and 1,000, ha. It's really important that people don't specify that publicly for safety reasons.
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Understood! I hear you, I don't talk about my numerical holdings with anyone. Privacy is best. I've been just doing some experimenting with the coins I keep; there are some that I grab just to get it while the price is low. If the price goes up considerably then my investment paid off. If they fail then it was worth the attempt. With some of the newer alt coins that are getting attention, I usually only drop $50 to grab some and see where it goes from there. With the more prominent ones, I add to them a little bit when the prices are appropriate but certainly haven't in this bit of a bull market we're fluctuating in.
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I currently hold q little bit of BTC, all of it mined over the past winter. My main holdings are in LTC and Steem.
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I did cloud mining a while back and it was not a good move for me. If you mined it yourself, that's pretty cool that you've got that experience, and can always mine again. I highly urge you to not publicly disclose the volume of crypto you own. We can't hide it on an account-level on Steem (for Steem/SBD), but you might want to update your comment to be more vague. As long as you're in the ball game and enjoying the ride, you're miles ahead of the most of the world right now.
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Good catch. I updated that. And yeah, I didn't cloud mine my Bitcoin. Posted using [Partiko Android](https://partiko.app/referral/ddrfr33k)
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I have no btc because: - I have no money to invest in it. - The fees are much higher than ltc at my exchange. - It is WAY slower in transaction time than ltc. If I do get in the position to invest, I would go with ltc or maybe dash, which is also cheaper in fees and faster than btc. Currently I live off STEEM and have tried only those three coins to move my money out for rent and food etc. DASH is actually a bit cheaper than ltc, but ltc is much faster and more reliable than dash so I use it the most now. btc was a big fail out of the three - very slow and costly. I feel like it is the big dinosaur that will draw people in to crypto, but like ibm, it will one day die off as some other coins take over like apple and microsoft did.
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Dammit, just this morning I contemplated on converting my tiny BTC to an altcoin I KNOW will give 20x its current value once it does what it says it's going to do. >As a long term holder, Bitcoin are poker chips that are no longer valued in USD. They afford a seat at the table, and symbolize a first class ticket to being prepared for future value transfer. This is why I bought it in the first place!
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Holy!! Alt coin promised are like husbands telling their wives they'll take the trash out. Haha. Your plan may be amazingly successful, so don't doubt it. However, maybe don't chase pipe-dream alts all-in if your initial vision told you to hold your chips. (See what I did there?) Maybe consider 50/50 to manage the risk a little bit and have potential in both, but please do not let me influence you. You can always swap back any time if the coin is still listed on an exchange, so you're not stranded. It's all up to what you feel most comfortable with.
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That GIF is disturbing lol. Bitcoin is an extremely important asset to keep in your crypto portfolio. It think comparing BTC to STEEM is difficult because they were created for different reasons and they each accomplish different tasks. I definitely see Bitcoin reaching new ATHβs soon, especially with the halving coming next year. Posted using [Partiko iOS](https://partiko.app/referral/kenmelendez)
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Everyone should hodl some btc and monero imho. Posted using [Partiko Android](https://partiko.app/referral/makinstuff)
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hahahahah!! :D well we gotta love btc! it's gonna give more life to the space! <3 but yeah I see what you are saying. :) I don't have the money for it now! very expensive, maybe when my xrp got me some good profits.
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I am an accumulator and am not letting it go any time soon. Like you, I see such potential that it is madness not to have at least a few satoshis lol
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Virtual fist bump extended. Rock on.
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Hope I live long enough to see all the good stuff happen :-)
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Very rightly said. In the era where technology is taking over everything, there is no doubt decentralized cryptocurrency is the gateway to the future. When someone asks me when to start investing, my answer is always today because better late than never. Even a small fraction of it will cost a huge in the coming future.
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Glad you see it. As long as people know what they're buying first, then start responsible buying, that's the way to build a solid foundation. Unfortunately, most people can't be bothered to do take the time to learn beforehand, which is why they obsess about price action, are impatient when it ping-pongs, and fittingly lose their shirts. Thanks for the comment.
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