Smart meters will not save the world by steevc

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gadget · @steevc · Oct 11 '16

Smart meters will not save the world

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<p>The UK government has <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/oct/01/smart-meter-energy-saving-revolution-cut-bills-gas-electricity">commited to</a> getting smart electric and gas meters into every home, but the potential savings are small. People won't necessarily change their habits just because they can see how much energy they are using. They may just turn off a few lights and that is just a few watts for an LED bulb. It may save the power companies some money on reading meters, but it will take a long time to get the money back.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/oct/11/energy-first-as-uk-successfully-transmits-data-via-national-electricity-grid">This&nbsp;story</a> is about transmitting instructions to appliances over the power cables. That would allow smart appliances to be told when it's best for them to operate based on available energy. The problem there is that most appliances are dumb and won't get replaced for years. It's probably a bigger deal for industry where there are potential big savings to be made.</p>
<p>We are making progress in that appliances are getting more efficient, but people generally only replace them when they have to. We probably have more electrical devices than ever before with computers, consoles, PVRs plus all the IoT devices. It all adds up. Ideally we want to have less stuff, but gadgets are so cheap that we are tempted and will keep upgrading as the next generation appears, creating lots of e-waste. Companies will want to expand their markets to countries that are not already saturated.</p>
<p>I do have hope for the future, but we will have to accept changes in the long run.</p>
<p><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Breville.jpg" width="2048" height="1536"/></p>
<p>Image from <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Breville.jpg">Wikimedia</a>.</p>
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@solarguy · Oct 11 '16

The Ontario provincial gov in Canada, some years ago made them mandatory for households.  

It was a huge failure.  Peoples bills went up.  they failed horribly. 

Now they talking about removing them.

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2016/01/20/ontario-pulls-plug-on-36000-rural-smart-meters-is-big-energy-imploding/

Good Luck UK with that.  learn from the good child.  eh!

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@steevc · Oct 11 '16

Interesting. I've also read that there are issues when switching suppliers, which is generally easy to do in the UK. It seems like one of those policies that is all style and little substance.

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@solarguy · Oct 11 '16

To be honest Ontario's electricl grid is a huge debacle.  I'm sure there are several factors involved aside from them not working as they should.

Onaario sell electricity to NY for 1/3 the price Ontario resident pay.  Essentially we are obligated due to NAFTA and some really bad local deals with solar power with the province made when solar power was worth more than it is today.

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@solarguy · Oct 11 '16

and this fact too

***"Costing ratepayers billions, smart meters are actually designed to unlawfully harvest detailed data of the in-home activities of occupants without their knowledge or consent."***
As reported by the National Post:

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