It is a hard road to decide when it comes to self voting. On Hive and on steem I did not as a rule self vote. Others self vote because they think they have great content and that if they do not self vote others may see it as not so great. (that is what I have been told by various accounts large and small, to me they are just self absorbed). A self vote on a comment excuse - *"I self voted it so it could get to the top of the comment list because I felt my comment was real important"*, once again a self absorbed person.

There is nothing you can say to a self voter that will change their mind, they are **more important** than you. The system allows it so they are going to use it.

For me it is a simple choice when it comes to self voting, I have yet to find a valid reason to do it on Steem or on Hive. 

Well, if self voting is  meant to be ignored then the community should be able to show that there is a greater benefit of community involvement.
I am against self vote even on twitter,i don't vote my post.

I don't know as though I have ever self voted with my main account.  Probably when I first started on Steem I did, but I haven't in a long time.  Like you said, I don't know if I ever have on Hive. It is too bad that those big accounts continue to support them.  It's probably all the same person.

Spread the wealth is my motto. I also find larger accounts self voting for large reward abuse and should be downvoted. I compare it to giving yourself a high five which is very in cool. 

There's a really simple solution to this, set a threshold whereby an account cannot vote for itself. Trouble is, what criteria would you set? Anyone at 70 and above Reputation? Anyone with over 2000 HP? What about someone sitting on a Tonne of Hive dollars? I think for small accounts if anything self voting should be positively encouraged and if so-called whales (Are we still using that term on Hive?) want to greedily vote for themselves then some sort of public shaming could be in order?

For me, "Self Voting" is not the issue when it comes to influential accounts <em>Passing that wealth around</em> is a far better cause to worry about. I know you Steve and others in the comments "Spread the Love" but it seems to me some of the big players only love those they know and not those they could get to know.

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It's funny how you keep coming after me. When yes I do selfvote with half my votes, but you say nothing about your buddy @slobberchops which I believe your account @steevc is also owned by @slobberchops and at least 5 other accounts and I'm sure he ownes more than those accounts that keep upvoting each other. @goblinknackers is one of @slobberchops accounts and gives him $1.5 per post and that is just one of his many accounts selfvoting, the only reason it's not considered self voting is because he has so many accounts and they are upvoting eachother, and my little self voting gives me $1 a day. Just like @slobberchops so many of the whales here have 100 to 1000 accounts or more. And you keep bring up this voting on things 4 days old what does it matter what day it is voted on there are 6 days it can be voted on. I think it's so funny how you have such a problem with me using 5 of my daily upvotes on my own post and I make $1 but yet there are so many shitty photography post making $30 - $50 and their photos are shit.

After I moved to Hive I have stopped selfvoting and it really doesn't make much of a difference. Except of course I have more voting power for others, which is nice.

In any ecosystem there will be some bad actors who only think short term. 

We just need to focus more on the people who are here for the long term and always adding value to our $HIVE

Long term game is a positive sum and we’re all baking the $HIVE pie 🥧 big as possible 

Well if they are almost exclusively voting between those accounts, that is not cool. However, I vote others and I also self vote my posts but never comments. If you remember in the early days of Steem (I came to Steem coz of you and @uwelang talking about it in the FB page after Tsu died) there was always a big kerfuffle about self voting comments. It seems to me the community at that point in time decided that self voting comments was wrong but self voting posts was OK. To my mind, I see self voting as one of the major reasons to stake. 

First and foremost we should encourage self voters to vote for others and spread the wealth rather than be selfish before going the downvote route imo, It's better to educate first. Even if it's just letting them know about big curator accounts like @ocdb and @appreciator which payout curation rewards to delegators, it'd be better for the whole ecosystem than selfishly milking rewards by selfvoting or 'circle jerkin'

They won't see this unless it's pointed out to them, living in their own world of self-voting and then getting a vote the size I can give out from @otisbrown after 4-5 days. It is borderline, and that's why I haven't done anything yet.

I must be relatively stupid as the thought hasn't even crossed my mind.

I used to self vote on my posts but again... the vote values are too small and I rarely make regular posts. Like you said, it makes more sense  to give out votes to quality content creators and engage with them. Lately I've been considering powering up some good amount of Hive and start curating more.