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Whatever happened to FOAF?
[FOAF](http://www.foaf-project.org/) stands for Friend of a Friend. [This open data standard](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOAF_(ontology)) is part of the [Semantic Web](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_Web) which was something [Tim Berners-Lee](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Berners-Lee) (inventor of the web) [thought](https://web.archive.org/web/20160713021037/http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/node/215) could add value to the web by distributing useful data across web sites.

This is a fairly technical post, but it may have an audience here.

![FOAF](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/FoafLogo.svg/640px-FoafLogo.svg.png)
Image from [Wikimedia](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:FoafLogo.svg)

The idea of FOAF was that you provided data about your friends and contacts in a data file on your web site. Software or 'agents' could extract that data to gather information about who knows each other. So it would be like your Facebook friends list, but you would control the data and there was no need for a central database. The data would be stored in one of a [variety of data formats](http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/). This may have been one of the barriers to mass adoption as you really needed special tools to create and maintain such a file. There were also ways to embed the data within a web page. A related project was [XFN](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XHTML_Friends_Network) that let you specify your relationship to someone when you linked to their site.

Some social sites did create FOAF files for their users. There was a site whose name I've forgotten that made it simple to traverse the data from the FOAF files available to see the connections, but I think I remember they shut it down as some people found this a bit creepy, even though the data was still out there. There are [still](http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/drn/foaf/visualizer.php) [tools](http://foaf-visualizer.gnu.org.ua/) out there that can render the data in a readable format.

So why did it not take off? [Cory Doctorow](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cory_Doctorow) (creator of [Boing Boing](https://boingboing.net/)) wrote [an essay](https://people.well.com/user/doctorow/metacrap.htm) setting out some reasons why open metadata would not work. One is that people will lie and another is laziness. I think it's also partly due to the fact that most people will not run their own web site these days. In the early web you had to do that to get on there, but now everyone just joins various social sites that jealously guard their data. Also, many people want such data to be private. There are still plenty of services where the data is public, so you have to be careful about what you want to expose about yourself. I do have my own site, but I've not been maintaining it lately. It has a FOAF file, but that's out of date, so it seems Cory was right.

A few years back I was very enthusiastic about the possibilities of the semantic web, but you don't hear much about it these days. Of course people can, and do, mine the Steem blockchain data, but it doesn't include much detail beyond who follows who. You can't imply too much from that. I don't think the developers plan to allow us to specify how we know people. You can't even provide much personal data beyond a display name, location and web link. A lot of people choose to remain fairly anonymous.

So I see this as a lost opportunity. It might have been useful in certain fields. For example, scientists write papers that list the authors. If this data is in an open format then you can extract it to see the connections. If each site uses its own format (or just had text on a web page) then it's much harder to use the data. The open source world could also use it to see who has worked together. You can do this with sites like [Github](https://github.com/), but I'm not sure if the data can be easily extracted.

Anyway, I hope this has been of interest to some of you and I'm interested to hear your thoughts on whether there is a place for open data standards on the web. There may well be active projects out there that I don't know about.

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@aasik ·
wow nice post
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@mammasitta · (edited)
maybe you tell Steve why it’s a nice post
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@steevc ·
I wonder if you even read it. Probably not as you always write the same comment. Flagged as spam
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@aasik ·
hummmm
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@kahkaha ·
Contemplating semantic web history and innovation is fun and fascinating in any event
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@steevc ·
What are you saying? I expect English is not your first language
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@mammasitta ·
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I always felt uncomfortable that my data is circulating everywhere. I kind of got used to, privacy seems to be huge luxury.
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@steevc ·
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By being on-line we accept some loss of privacy. Even if a site tries to keep it private there may be leaks. I'm fairly careful about what I put out there, but some people really don't seem to care, or don't realise the risks.
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@mammasitta ·
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I actually do care and make sure that my real name is never exposed. I don’t post nudes hahaha
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@noly ·
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I would say a lot of people truely don't understand the amount of data that is collected about them either. Probably most people actually. 
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@palwashabhatti ·
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Personally I would never want to share my data but I know every details about me, my social profiles is out there somewhere, honestly  it is really creepy but this is how the technology is.

I have used github for few of many project during my BCS, it always helpful especially when I was developing website with ruby on rails. I'll be honest, I am not that good of a develop and struggled alot
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@steevc ·
The first step is to be aware of what data is out there. It can be cross-referenced to learn more about you. I know there's a lot about me out there, but I don't share all my personal details.

Developing is not for everyone. You could still help with projects in testing or documentation
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@sirvotesalot ·
Upvoted!! Great post.
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@steevc ·
Bad comment. See my other post
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