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steemit · @stellabelle · (edited)
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Sort By Total Human Eyeball Views Tab: A Request To The Devs
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# The day has arrived that a Steemian has managed to receive 546 real human reads of his article:
https://steemit.com/life/@wadepaterson/20-questions-with-john-goehrke-the-guy-who-landed-a-date-with-genie-bouchard


Why did I miss this? There currently exists no tab on Steemit to show us which posts get the most human reads. I think this should change, very quickly. This is the key to understanding how viral content can be discovered and shared (both on Steemit and on mainstream social media, too.)

Right next to the Promoted Tab, a tab named **EYEBALLS** could be added that would indicate which articles got the most reads/views by actual humans. This would become a _very_ valuable tab! Think about it, you would no longer have to endlessly search on Steemit for content! It would be like the rest of modern-day social sites, that indicate virality. Imagine the beauty and sublime reads!

Today, I'm requesting that this feature be added to a tab so that in the future, we can find posts easily that are appealing both to Steemit users and to users outside of Steemit. Apparently, @wadepaterson's post received 546 human views, mainly because his topic was a viral subject on broader social media, as he shares all his posts on Twitter. The virality on Steemit should coincide with virality on other social media sites. When it doesn't match, there is a problem.

# I've never seen that many reads on _any_ post and I don't want to miss more like this in the future. 

Let's work together on this one, @timcliff, as you can see how missing viral content is a detriment both to this platform and to the readers on this platform. If there's something already in the works, let us know.

Congratulations to @wadepaterson for getting over 546 human eyeballs on your post. That's the most I've ever seen. If you've seen more, let us know.

## Any input from developers would be appreciated. As you can see, this is the value right here. This is what we all should be striving for: 546 real human views.

note: I think this solves the bot issue altogether since the eyeball count is not affected by bot activity. Please correct me if I'm wrong on this.

# Let's Make Steemit Great Again.

And let's _not_ turn into [Black Mirror's](https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/10/black-mirror-nosedive-review-season-three-netflix/504668/) Lacy:

http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/scalefit_630_noupscale/5820f8b8190000a502c31714.jpeg

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@bola · (edited)
Do proxy bots work on steemit?
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@stellabelle · 
well, the bots are not interacting with the eyeball count. Look at upvotes: 39, but eyeball view count is at 10. The eyeball view count is not affected. I don't know about proxy bot thing you ask.
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@craig-grant · 
this can be abused by generating fake views
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@personz · 
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@stellabelle · 
i realize that, however, since it won't result in rewards, humans would be curating from the list. If there are obvious fakers, they can be downvoted.
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@craig-grant · 
worth a try
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@denmarkguy · 
Interesting to see this brought up... as a pretty much straight writer/blogger (as opposed to developer) this site is curious to me as there is some good content created here, but there's a remarkable lack of "outside eyeballs" looking at it and sharing it. Call me old fashioned, but it seems sad that the moment a new metric is brought up, there's a horde ready to "game it" artificially rather than simply allow it to be an authentic measure of something.

How can this place hope to create community-- and hence any kind of "lasting value"-- absent real human eyeballs to interact with the content?  Unless, of course, the social network function is just window dressing rather than the backbone of the system...
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@mrosenquist · 
I really like the idea, but lets not call it "eyeballs", instead let's call it "views".  Seems more natural.  "my post received 27 views" is better than "my post received 27 eyeballs"  :)

The tab would be valuable as it separates the posts which are upvoted but not read, from those which are read (but perhaps not upvoted).  Both metrics are valuable.
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@neoxian ·
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You could fake the eyeball count.  It's ripe for abuse..
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>You could fake the eyeball count. It's ripe for abuse..

qft.  It would be trivially easy to manipulate the eyeball count.  the only reason no one does (that we know of) is that it has no effect on anything.  the moment it starts to matter, it will be manipulated.
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@stellabelle · 
true. I still think there must be a way to sort the posts by actual popularity and reads. There must be a way.....
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@stellabelle · 
if the posts that ended up on the eyeball trending list were obviously fake, people could start flagging them, thereby reducing their reputation, thereby discouraging that kind of abuse.
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@personz ·
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@stellabelle · 
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@personz ·
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@screenname ·
Re: Sort By Total Human Eyeball Views Tab: A Request To The Devs
<p>This post has been ranked within the top 25 most undervalued posts in the second half of Feb 08. We estimate that this post is undervalued by $15.59 as compared to a scenario in which every voter had an equal say.</p> 
<p>See the full rankings and details in <a href="https://steemit.com/curation/@screenname/the-daily-tribune-most-undervalued-posts-of-feb-08---part-ii">The Daily Tribune: Feb 08 - Part II</a>. You can also read about some of our methodology, data analysis and technical details in <a href="https://steemit.com/curation/@screenname/introducing-the-daily-tribune-most-undervalued-posts-of-nov-04---part-i">our initial post</a>.</p>
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@timcliff · 
Here is the GitHub issue for it:
https://github.com/steemit/steemit.com/issues/812
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@stellabelle · (edited)
do you think by having this exist that people will begin gaming it even though there is not a reward structure in place? Don't you think that humans will be able to tell which posts are gamed (with bots) and which ones are actually popular reads? We could as a group downvote any posts that are clearly gamed....
I just created a github account and added my opinion. i've finally caved in.....
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@timcliff · 
When money is involved (and more views translates into a better opportunity to make money) it _will_ be gamed (unfortunately).

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@stellabelle · 
Doesn't look promising. The whole idea of having a site that is created in order to find popular reading content, which would grow user base is not considered important. Wow, just wow. The divide between developers and people grows wider.
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@ocrdu · 
All metrics (number of votes, number of views, number of comments) that could be used for selecting content or for (semi-)automatic curating can and will be manipulated as soon as there is the slightest chance of these metrics' influencing rewards. It would also be a problem for my proposal [here](https://steemit.com/steemit/@ocrdu/steem-guild-a-drama-free-proposal-for-an-alternative-approach).

I'm not sure we should let that stop us as the threat of manipulation can kill almost all initiatives, leaving us powerless. Maybe it would be better to just do it and worry about manipulation later, and then strike down hard on any and all manipulators we can find.

Some will argue that the code is the law, so manipulation beyond intended use is allowed, but I don't find that very convincing.
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@timcliff · 
The main problem with it is that if eyeballs were all it took to get a lot of attention, people would game the system to get a lot of eyeballs. (It is not hard to simulate a lot of people viewing the page.) Making the system so that it is not easy to abuse would require a more significant change. Stuff like that is good to have, but it is not at the top of the priority list.
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