Sadly, no.

I agree with inertias comment about buying votes for the posts of others to 'hide' them in promoted. That's not gonna end well.

The same big stake authors would appear each day with very little change - their votes are earned via the same people.

Personally I think 'Trending' should be renamed to 'Adverts' or 'Promoted', and the failed Promoted link be discarded.

Thinking out loud, dangerous on 3 hours sleep, but what about a UA score backed 'Popular' as the gateway page?

Trending aside, I'm hoping the new community developments and alternative front ends bring in methods to find and manage displays. 'Toggle bot posts' on/off.

I wrote about this a few months back, but sending bot posts underground won't send them out of business imo, as long as there is money to be made, the delegations and bids will keep on coming.  New methods for larger stakeholders to make money need to be invented, this could help reduce the BBs influence.

I will say yes to show my disdain of bots. But maybe overlaying an advert logo on their thumbnail may be another solution.

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Yes yes,bidbot promotes are the promoted posts,

No.

It would be nice but it will not work to fix the trending tab at all. I do not think there is a fix possible. If bidbots are removed from the trending, then people are going to complain that it is only vote trail post that make it on trending, Some trails are very long, does that make a post that gets regular vote trail votes that much better than one that does not? They can and do play favorites, many of them are automated and the people that belong to them have no clue at all what they are voting on. 

Can we exclude vote trails from the trending? Do they have any higher quality than non vote trails? The reason for banning vote bots is why? Because they don't reflect quality content? It's a slippery slope when we start "banning" for any reason. What would be banned next? Meme's again? YT videos, even though they all have share buttons? Wiki page references?

Yes, to have a better trending page!

I'd much rather see the promoted tab go away and every 5th post that shows up, regardless of feed or tag, be a promoted post that required someone to burn SBD to promote it.

Yes, without a doubt!

Yes, most definitely.  They are *not*  in fact trending.

Yes, yes, yes, 1000 times yes. I have brought this up many times but since I am a nobody I get told it is stupid and basically to piss off. 

Yes, I think that posts that use bid bots should be listed under the promoted tab. But what I would also do is reorder how they are listed.  Put the posts that promote in order of lowest price paid first.  These will most likely be the people who are truly trying to promote their work, instead of people in it to to reap all the rewards.





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Move to: bidvoted. Or be ignored.

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No. But I think the "Trending" tab should not be the first to show up. Swapping "Promoted" and "Trending" would be very good. Promoted posts do get their promotion funding returned to the reward pool, afterall.

Yes

Yes!

I'd also suggest that posts which don't use bidbots get a nice logo next to them, similar to how posts that are set to receive rewards with 100% steem power get a blue steem logo next to them. Alternatively, the headlines of promoted posts could be grayed out or shrunk down relative to how much of their upvote comes from a bidbot.

Yes.

The problem is bigger than that though. We need to **manually** curate again to fix the trending pages. Even if bid-bot-posts where to be excluded from the trending pages, we'd still get tons of articles sitting in trending due to voting trails.

**a)** All this would do is cause some bid bots to be more stealthy by registering/delegating more rapidly.
**b)** Would you ignore bids paid for by someone other than the author?

In the case of **a)**, there will be plenty of bid bots that don't worry about it because the already try to sell ROI, so the author doesn't care where the post is seen.

In the case of **b)**, if someone wants to take a post off of trending, just pay for a bid.  But if payor/author are intentionally ignored, what would prevent two authors from paying for the other's posts?

By the way, both **a)** and **b)** are examples of sybil, just manifest in different forms.

Yes

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is this a tricky question? ;)

No

Yes...

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Yes as long as you classify ranchorelaxo as a bidbot.

Definitely YES. 

I’d like to see on trending page only what the community voted as a trend. And not the exact opposite. I don’t judge those services. In fact there are cases that really important posts would have been buried if it wasn’t for bots. 

Yes.

Quick and dirty: yes.

Yes. Bidbots post are promoted posts, hence it should be where it belongs. Trending posts should be the posts truly loved by the community not some half cooked post..

Yes... that’s a great idea. 

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Could you contact @net to make this change ? 

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Posts that use bidbots should not be included in Hot, or Trending. 

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@stellabelle,

**YES.**

Personally, I think bidbots should be banned outright, as explained in my proposals *(link)* but this is an **EXCELLENT** 2nd choice.

https://steemit.com/steemit/@quillfire/central-premise-and-proposals-a-series-about-fixing-steemit-part-4

Bidbots have become, largely, unprofitable to use in-and-of-themselves. Their use is motivated by the desire to get into Hot & Trending to gain additional exposure, and hence, additional upvotes. Such rankings are also meant to attract the attention of curation-bots that scan such Pages.   

By removing them from Hot and Trending, you remove the economic incentive of using them (Demand). Moreover, as bidbots require a critical mass of users to remain profitable, a diminishment of users would undoubtedly cause many bidbot owner/operators to close shop (Supply). 

The only fly in the ointment is that, to be effective, most of the UI's would have to agree to this implementation ... and a lot of bidbots (and UI's) are owned and operated by Whales and Witnesses. 

And hence, my more "insistent" proposal that they be banned outright, and the creation of an independent enforcement system to ensure compliance ... the adoption of which, of course, would also require Whale/Witness support. Arrgh. :-) 

In either case, we'd need to start a movement! I'd like to see a referendum ... one person, one vote *(not stake-weighted)* about some basic blockchain reforms. If there was super-majority support and the Whales and Witnesses ignored it, they'd be committing Steemicide. 

In the next couple of months, a number of competitive crypto-social-media platforms will be going live and Steemit will finally have to start competing for users. Ignoring the wishes of the masses ... is an excellent way to become mass-less.  

*Quill*

Yes - Its a paid "promotion", so the post belongs in the appropriate category.