 My maternal grandfather, Jim, was English. He met my maternal grandmother, Erica, in Germany, after the war. A short while after returning to England he was surprised by a knock at the door and found not only Erica, but a babe in arms, Nancy (my mum). My mum was brought up fully bi-lingual, indeed she had a short period of school in Germany. However, her upbringing left her disinclined to teach her two sons the language. I (and my brother) are traditional English monoglots. I did do German at school for a spell and did okay. Then we moved and when I moved to the new school they had been doing German from day one of high school, while I had only been able to take it from third year. While I could ask where the tram stop is with some proficiency, my new classmates were conducting the whole class in German. I soon dropped the subject. I would like to speak another language and, over the years, have tried to learn different ones to greater or lesser degrees. They refuse to stick. I will remember odd rules of pronunciation, or grammar. I can still read Greek and the odd word or two per sentence is remembered. But over all language proficiency has proven to be beyond my ability. Due to that automatic translation programs are somewhat of a boon and they get better all the time. My most recent use of them was about a year ago when I needed to translate a letter into Russian. Writing in English I tried to use simple sentences without jargon, abbreviations, or homilies. Then I ran it through Google Translate. Next I ran the translated version back through to see how it translated back. This led to me tweaking a line or two. Finally I took advantage of a friend of a friend who speaks both languages and they tidied up a couple of issues with tenses for me, but otherwise said it was fine. So far I have been cautious about putting up translations on Hive, mainly because it would be a case of trusting the translation app completely and, while my letter turned out fine, I have heard of some nightmare results where meaning has been lost. However, several people have recommended Deepl, and I've seen quite a few posts where it has been used to translate English content from the native language. The results have seemed to be good. So, I'm going to attempt to provide more of my posts with a translation. Spanish is a popular language on Hive, so there will be some done in that, I'll also use Portuguese as I'm hoping to go on holiday there later this year and it might remind me to try and learn some phrases. But today, in honour of the language my mother never taught me, the translation will be in German. Feel free to let me know where the translation is atrocious.  Mein Großvater mütterlicherseits, Jim, war Engländer. Er lernte meine Großmutter mütterlicherseits, Erica, nach dem Krieg in Deutschland kennen. Kurz nach seiner Rückkehr nach England wurde er von einem Klopfen an der Tür überrascht und fand nicht nur Erica, sondern auch ein Baby im Arm, Nancy (meine Mutter). Meine Mutter wurde vollständig zweisprachig erzogen, sie hatte sogar eine kurze Schulzeit in Deutschland. Ihre Erziehung ließ sie jedoch abgeneigt sein, ihren beiden Söhnen die Sprache beizubringen. Ich (und mein Bruder) sind traditionell englischsprachige Monoglotten. Ich hatte eine Zeit lang Deutsch in der Schule und kam ganz gut zurecht. Dann zogen wir um, und als ich in die neue Schule kam, hatten sie Deutsch vom ersten Tag der High School an, während ich es erst ab der dritten Klasse hatte. Während ich mit einigem Geschick fragen konnte, wo die Straßenbahnhaltestelle ist, führten meine neuen Klassenkameraden den ganzen Unterricht auf Deutsch. Ich ließ das Fach bald fallen. Ich würde gerne eine andere Sprache sprechen und habe im Laufe der Jahre versucht, verschiedene Sprachen mehr oder weniger gut zu lernen. Aber sie bleiben nicht hängen. Ich erinnere mich an seltsame Ausspracheregeln oder Grammatik. Ich kann immer noch Griechisch lesen, und das eine oder andere Wort pro Satz ist mir im Gedächtnis geblieben. Aber alles in allem hat sich gezeigt, dass ich die Sprache nicht beherrsche. Deshalb sind automatische Übersetzungsprogramme ein wahrer Segen, und sie werden immer besser. Das letzte Mal habe ich sie vor etwa einem Jahr benutzt, als ich einen Brief ins Russische übersetzen musste. Ich schrieb auf Englisch und versuchte, einfache Sätze ohne Jargon, Abkürzungen oder Predigten zu verwenden. Dann ließ ich den Brief durch Google Translate laufen. Dann habe ich die übersetzte Version noch einmal durchlaufen lassen, um zu sehen, wie sie zurückübersetzt wurde. Das führte dazu, dass ich ein oder zwei Zeilen änderte. Schließlich habe ich einen Freund eines Freundes, der beide Sprachen spricht, um Hilfe gebeten, und er hat mir ein paar Probleme mit den Zeitformen aus dem Weg geräumt, aber ansonsten war es in Ordnung. Bisher war ich vorsichtig damit, Übersetzungen auf Hive einzustellen, vor allem, weil man der Übersetzungs-App völlig vertrauen muss. Mein Brief ist zwar gut geworden, aber ich habe schon von einigen schrecklichen Ergebnissen gehört, bei denen der Sinn verloren gegangen ist. Mehrere Leute haben mir jedoch Deepl empfohlen, und ich habe einige Beiträge gesehen, in denen es zur Übersetzung englischer Inhalte aus der Muttersprache verwendet wurde. Die Ergebnisse schienen gut zu sein. Ich werde also versuchen, mehr meiner Beiträge mit einer Übersetzung zu versehen. Ich werde auch Portugiesisch verwenden, da ich hoffe, später in diesem Jahr dorthin in den Urlaub fahren zu können, und es könnte mich daran erinnern, ein paar Sätze zu lernen. Aber heute, zu Ehren der Sprache, die mir meine Mutter nie beigebracht hat, wird die Übersetzung auf Deutsch sein. Sie können mir gerne mitteilen, wo die Übersetzung grauenhaft ist. *text by stuartcturnbull, images by [Geralt](https://pixabay.com/illustrations/board-school-blackboard-chalk-64269/)on [Pixabay](https://pixabay.com/illustrations/german-germany-board-school-64270/), translation by [Deepl](https://www.deepl.com/translator)*
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I have only heard of Google translate and not deeply. But since many people recommended deeply, it is good you keep trying it.
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I speak two languages fluently. My native language and English language. I play around another local language a bit and that's it. I love Spanish but I'm not sure I can sit down and learn it. I've given up on trying to speak more than two languages. I totally avoid making bilingual posts because I'm always unsure if google translator gives an accurate translation. Maybe I'll try Deepl as well.
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Lucky me I speak 3 languages, but one is only for my tribe or people who grows up and live in the island, and the national language to unite my nations, and English since I have to work in the hospitality Industry. I can say that I don't master all of them at all. hahah. there is always some mixed up in those languages that I speak hahaha. I don't use deepl translate when I make my post, but I do need help from google translate when I want to find specific vocabulary. !LUV
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@stuartcturnbull, @ekavieka<sub>(4/4)</sub> sent you LUV. | <a href="https://crrdlx.websavvy.work/" style="text-decoration:none">tools</a> | <a href="https://discord.gg/K5GvNhcPqR" style="text-decoration:none">discord</a> | <a href="https://peakd.com/c/hive-159259">community | <a href="https://crrdlx.websavvy.work/wiki/doku.php?id=start"><img src="https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/crrdlx/23t7ev3YkMuKFJvDYRawU5ag19uSrFR689gAb1nBXN3TxNFD85vw2WUstaD5nu5ovWYR1.png"></a><a href="https://crrdlx.websavvy.work/wiki/doku.php?id=start" style="text-decoration:none">HiveWiki</a> | <a href="https://peakd.com/nftforpeace/@hivebuzz/nft-for-peace" target="_blank"><img src="https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/crrdlx/Epvkqd2sQEjZxu93x3A2J2fztKDarTY17qgMbpqWRV14NrfNBA6fu1jxtTkZztjXZKo.gif" target="_blank"><a href="https://peakd.com/nftforpeace/@hivebuzz/nft-for-peace" target="_blank">NFT</a> | <a href="https://ichthys.netlify.app" style="text-decoration:none"><>< daily</a> <center>Made with <a href="https://peakd.com/@luvshares" target="_blank"><img src="https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/crrdlx/AKKSsM8HYHY5o4R1UPRdUADTz5QpsKAxSH5uyxsK4k1AJz5wsBqm7TfvA8aSCjE.png"></a> by <a href="https://hive.blog/@crrdlx" target="_blank">crrdlx</a></center>
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Here is your Proof of Brian. I think you meant #ProofOfBrain  [Source](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Brian_Johnson.jpg)
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So my German is really rusty, so I will wait for some native speaker to say more about translation itself. About DeepL - although it is great tool, it would often changes whole phrases - the general meaning stays the same, but word - play is totally lost, if that make sense. It will probably work for some generic article, but it will not reflect your style of writing. So that would be no for stuff like poems, short novels and so on. I wouldn't gave up learning new languages all together. From my experience - if you master one feign language, suddenly the languages that are form the same 'family' start to sound familiar. It is so cool to came across words that you would think are clearly Anglo-Saxon origin, but they really not:))) So what I am trying to say - it easy as you go. But take loads of time, and obviously if you don't have native speakers around - it can be painful. I've came across your post via [dreemport](https://dreemport.com/ )
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I took Latin, French and then two years of German at school. Working for many years in Africa I spoke French and learnt Spanish. Languages are fun. With respect to Deepl and indeed any translation tool ... just beware using on Hive as there are cases of people getting their post and hence account blacklisted as being AI text etc etc! If you do use it, make sure that always keep the original English version in the post.
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Oh yes, the post will always resemble the above. English, then the translation
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Okay, excellent.
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I started learning German last year and for most of my translations , I used HI translate. Many of the translations seem faulty as most times, the native speakers of the language do not understand my translations. I would try out the Deepl translator and see if there is a difference.
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