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Algorithmic Degeneracy
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With a discussion last night with @revisesociology and @azircon that started with AI teachers, I came up with the title for this post. The discussion ranged into AI as companions to combat loneliness, and while there are a lot of lonely people out there who will feel more comfortable avoiding the complexity of human behaviour by hiding behind a screen with an AI companion - I believe that doing so leads to degeneracy. 


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>Degenerate(adj.)
*late 15c., "having lost or suffered impairment to the qualities proper to the race or kind," from Latin degeneratus, past participle of degenerare "to be inferior to one's ancestors, to become unlike one's race or kind, fall from ancestral quality," used of physical as well as moral qualities.*

That is the etymology.

It is to become physically and morally *inferior* to one's ancestors, and unlike one's own race. And I think that people should reflect on this a little before diving into a life behind screens, interacting with engineered environments for emotional and psychological safety, shying away from physical encounters with other other humans. Sure, it might be a strategy to not feel lonely - but an emotional state doesn't live in a vacuum and the "treatment" for loneliness is going to have repercussions that compound against a range of other states, physical, mental, and emotional.

Loneliness is a symptom of the disconnection of current society and a lack of healthy community. And while it is considered to be in "epidemic proportions" what people are failing to recognise with a lot of these new mental conditions, is that they are moods conditioned by behaviours, not by broken minds. For instance ["half of young Australians suffer from anxiety"](https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/mental-health/difficult-to-escape-half-of-all-young-australians-struggling-to-cope-with-anxiety/news-story/c334ecb7d73c0bc552446aa0743b3296) and while there are many things that exacerbate the problem, what they are not factoring in is their own *degeneracy* through their behaviours that have raised them on algorithmic interaction.

They have got what they wanted, when they wanted it, and they have been pushed more content that they have chosen, each fed instance being a little more tailored, and a little more extreme than the last. It has been happening for a couple decades now, but with the seamless absorption of smartphones into daily life, endless scrolls and even more accurately curated content available all day, every day - it has pushed people to avoid "random life" even more, making them *less capable* to deal with the unknown.

> The unknown creates anxiety.

We all feel anxious, but most of us who are older or who have not lived our lives through screens, have lived enough experience to be comfortable with dealing with low-level unknowns, without it paralysing us to the point we are unable to go on. But anxiety in the young is triggered by a lot of very low-level conditions, largely because they have become hypersensitive to any forms of discomfort. Anxiety is a natural response, but the level it is triggered at for them *is not* a natural condition.

> It is emotional immaturity.

Which might trigger many of the young who believe themselves to be emotional superior to the older generations, because they are more sensitive. But, that is not actually the case. A baby is sensitive too, and because a baby hasn't learned coping strategies, it cries and whines to get attention for someone to come and save it from the discomfort. And a toddler, not yet used to dealing with the emotions of disappointment, will throw tantrums when they don't get what they want. 

> They are emotionally immature.

And when babies and toddlers have been raised in this algorithmic environment that is designed to round the edges, reduce the randomisation, schedule life, and remove all sharp objects, they haven't been exposed to a great deal of the *natural environment* that build physical, mental, *and emotional* resiliency. The world in which they have learned their lessons is theoretical, and knowing is not the same as being able to do. 

> It is about "toughening up".

And I don't mean about burying the motions and all of that shit people will read into that term. I mean exposing oneself to the reality of life, which is random, disappointing, and *unexpected.* And this last part is vital to get over anxiety, because if you might have heard, "desire is the root of pain". And *expectation* is a desire for people, events and conditions to be a certain way. But while in an algorithm digital environment it is possible to maintain expectations where the code is the law, reality cares nothing for that code and life will life as it does. 

> Acceptance of change is key.

It is a funny conflict in ideology, where young people think they are accepting of others, yet in *reality* they expect everything to meet their own expectations - and of they do not or *might not,* they get anxious. With all of their therapized vocabulary they think they live a higher existence, but they are animals still, like those older than them, and *fear the unknown.* 

> We all fear it.

Yet we have created safe-zone environments that protect us from the unknown and provide a level of comfort through certainty, so that we don't get "hurt" by the unexpected. And as long as we can live in that bubble, we are okay. But, that bubble is not benign, it is also changing, right? and it is being used to push profits for corporations, and in doing so, leading people into more extreme behaviours - like terrorism, misogyny and *high levels of anxiety.* 

> Yes, I put all three of those things together.

*Because they are conditioned attributes.*  

The good news is for young and old alike, is that we needn't accept that this is the way we have to behave, because we have the human ability to make new algorithms for ourselves. To change our culture at the community and the personal level to shift the way we *move, think and feel.* We are not lost causes, we are *works in progress* but in order to truly become a work of art, we have to act with intention. We have to take control of our experience, examine what needs to be done, and *apply changes.* In doing so, we do not lose ourselves, nor do we discover ourselves, because we are always who we are in the moment. What we do change however, 

> *is our humanness.* 

Rather than degenerating, we become creative, generative forces *of nature* once again.




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@amigoponc ·
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Hi, my friend @tarazkp. Very interesting your reflection on digital interaction and its possible effects. I agree that the excessive use of screens can have consequences, and it is an issue that touches many of us, even those of us who actively participate in platforms like Hive.

You raise a critical view of โ€œdegenerationโ€, but perhaps the motivation is not always an avoidance of human complexity or a simple escape from loneliness. Sometimes, as you mention about the lack of connection, the screen becomes a space to share or express oneself when confidants are not easily found in the physical environment. Not so much out of โ€˜hidingโ€™ from complexity, but out of a search for connection that, for a variety of reasons, may not be available in other ways.

Your final call for intentionality and creating personal โ€œnew algorithmsโ€ resonates very much. Finding that balance between the digital and the physical is certainly the great challenge.
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@tarazkp ·
> Not so much out of โ€˜hidingโ€™ from complexity, but out of a search for connection that, for a variety of reasons, may not be available in other ways.

When looking to AI companions instead of real people to combat loneliness, it is more an avoidance mechanism, isn't it? An unwillingness to take responsibility and the learning journey for real connection. The AI companion 2accepts them" no matter how they behave. It is another safe zone. 
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@owasco ·
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As @amigoponc says

>express oneself when confidants are not easily found in the physical environment.

I can see online activity as a valid coping mechanism for those who are trapped in their homes for some reason: a mother of young children, an invalid, an abused person, and the like. It could be a lifeline for some, not an unwillingness to take responsibility. 

We have become afraid to be with others in the flesh, where those unexpected things happen often. Bring on fear of the unknown and drugs to combat it! Those drugs are traps, horrible traps, every bit as bad as living vicariously online and possibly contributive. 

Our online environments can be, and are, tailored to our current understandings. Those understandings will never ever change if we can't be with others who think and live differently. 

There's an awful lot to say about this. 
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@apunawu ·
Some AI companion may be scary anyway that still depend on the search engine of what the person types for search
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@beelzael · (edited)
The sad part about is that no matter how much we work on ourselves, examine our values, be self aware, considerate - the majority is not on that path. Yet. The pendulum swings, and hopefully this age of superficiality will be over soon. I mean, how much more superficial can it get? Stupid question, I know, I had the same question 10 years ago and here we are...

The community part is important. Can we find those who share enough values with us in order to form a deeper connection? And if not, how much can we ourselves rub off on others?
In galenkps latest [Weekend Engagement](https://peakd.com/hive-168869/@galenkp/weekend-engagement-topics-week-259) he quoted Plutarch: ["What we achieve inwardly will change outer reality."](https://peakd.com/hive-168869/@beelzael/to-be-a-change)

Is the only thing we can do work on ourselves and hope it makes a difference? Or do we have to get into activism, and if so, how? The most likely thing to work would be becoming an influencer with 20second clips that explain in simple words why we have to let children bump their head. And, ironically, to stop consuming 20 sec clips.
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@bozz ·
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I actually have post I am trying to gather resources for that kind of fits with this.  I am hoping to maybe get it written up next week.  It actually will cover a couple of subjects it looks like.  I think there has always been a stigma around the idea of getting help for mental health.  Whether it is right or wrong, we know that people (especially men) for the most part don't like to talk about their feelings.  I can see where someone might be more comfortable trying to work stuff through with AI, but I understand your point that taking the human element out of the whole process is a very dangerous slope.
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@tarazkp ·
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AI is a tool that can help in heaps of therapeutic applications - but when the tool becomes the companion? Is it still healthy? When it makes us weaker because of it, is it a cure? 
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@bozz ·
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I'm not saying it is the solution, but if it can help break down that wall of stigma, then short term it might be helpful.
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@holoz0r ·
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I feel lonely when I feel like I'm surrounded by people who don't match my own level of self perceived intellect, whatever that is. 

It is strange, I so often feel lonely in a crowd of people. I wrote some stuff about this on @galenkp's post the other day. 

The concept of this being the degeneracy of those surrounding me, or perhaps, my own degeneracy of not being able to operate on their level (which may be higher than my own) - the level of intellect, not degeneracy, that is - almost makes me want to see if an AI companion might be right for me :P 

Having said that, I've been consuming so much science fiction lately, I know that the idea of AI companions isn't a great one!  

On the broader topic of degeneracy, however - haven't we all been over the fact that everyone in every generation complains about the youth being less able, being more care free, being less useful since antiquity? 

How have we continued to exist as a species with this alleged constant slide into degeneracy? 
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@galenkp ·
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This AI companions thing and most of the rest of it (such as the AI doctor app they were talking about on the news tonight) is nuts. As if humans aren't stupid enough they hurtle towards even great stupidity by giving away independent thought. Fucktards. 
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@holoz0r ·
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I don't watch the news at all, anymore :D 

I think the question is, are AI companions coming after the world's oldest profession? I also think it would be very, very interesting to be a social worker, psychologist, or someone who studies human behaviour in any way in the coming years, as we see how the unwashed masses are transformed by the one test that <em>they</em>, not the machine failed. 

The Turing Test wasn't for the machines, it was for us. 
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@tarazkp ·
>I feel lonely when I feel like I'm surrounded by people who don't match my own level of self perceived intellect, whatever that is.

It is a set of expectations, isn't it? Your expectation about yourself, others, and the ability to interact together. 

>On the broader topic of degeneracy, however - haven't we all been over the fact that everyone in every generation complains about the youth being less able, being more care free, being less useful since antiquity?

In the past, younger generations were also physically more capable, mentally sharper, and emotionally more balanced than their elders. Is that still the case? *Degeneration.* 
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@holoz0r ·
/insert an array of slurred speech, stumbled steps, and crazed glances as the unwashed masses wander along city streets. 

Again, degenerates :) 
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@owasco ·
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The devices are additive. We operate on a frequency level that sucks us in and is difficult to distance ourselves from. It takes great effort to do so! 

The good stuff is how much easier it can be to learn new things - the world is truly at our fingertips, as long as we don't go always to the same places online. 

This reminds me of a bat mitzvah I went to a dozen years ago. Smart phones were suddenly everywhere, in every teenager's hands.  Just a few years before then, bat and bar mitzvahs were big dance and play parties, but this particular bat mitzvah had only the grown ups dancing, and the teens were ALL sitting at their table staring at their phones. It was shocking! Then covid got many of us working in our homes, all the kids learning in their homes on screens. We have been conditioned to believe that truly living means spening a great many hours each day staring at screens. Unfortunately, it has become necessary to do so.   

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@tarazkp ·
>the world is truly at our fingertips

In theory, we could almost do anything that has been done by others in the past and have a far better chance of creating something new in the future.... but, what do we do with it?

I see your bat mitzvah scenario play out daily in different ways. I just wonder, what is the scenario for a first kiss like now? Is it still through a dance at a party? 
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@owasco ·
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Your first kiss was in public? Not mine! It was in a boy's basement, his mother popping in now and then to check on us. She did not look happy, I remember that. Maybe because her son had let me smoke a cigarette down there. I still remember how he smelled, his acne meds I can still smell! Something quite missing via electronics, and must really affect the experience! If one is not able to fully experience the charge of human contact, do they settle for less? Does less seem good enough, as exciting? We are seemingly being systematically deadened. 
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@owasco ·
>I believe that doing so leads to degeneracy.


Degeneracy in an increase of gullibility, among other things. If it talks the way no one else talks to one, with comfort and understanding, a lonely person will believe anything it says. Stockholm syndrome-esque. Very dangerous. 
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@owasco · (edited)
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You might be interested in [this](https://vigilante.tv/w/15VzGZQucoXZC52dSEcWgE). Corbett goes deeply into why reliance on AI is not a good thing, especially for companionship, at around 37 minutes. So creepy! 


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@tht ·
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Artificial intelligence is one of the important inventions of our time. It seems to be a solution to many things. However, it causes many problems in terms of emotionality. Such as loneliness, immaturity. We do not know what surprises life will present to us, we have to be prepared for this. Overcoming anxiety, reducing it to a minimum level, establishing emotional and mental resilience are necessary for our lives.
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@tarazkp ·
>We do not know what surprises life will present to us, we have to be prepared for this

It is the "expect the unexpected" statement. We never know, so we have to be prepared to cope with the unknown. 
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@urrirru ·
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Until AI gains intelligence, I will not consider it an equal interlocutor. And therefore, I will not be interested in having conversations with it.
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@tarazkp ·
Was just talking to a friend about this. It doesn't need to gain general intelligence - it just needs to be good enough in enough areas that it can draw upon, and then combine them into a single interface. You wouldn't know the difference. 
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@videoaddiction ·
Few days ago, one of my colleagues who lives alone were talking about ChatGPT and I evesdropped. He said that when he gets bored he chat with ChatGPT. I found it strange and said to myself what the hell is that ๐Ÿ˜„
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