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· @tarazkp ·
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At any cost
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We got there a little early, so took the table reserved and grabbed a pre-drink (only drink) before our friends arrived. We were there to celebrate a birthday and were glad we were invited to what would have been just the three of their family. Smallsteps was meant to be there too, but she is still a little flu-y so stayed with her grandparents.

After spendibg the week inside with a sick child while still working, it was nice to be out for a bit and eat some decent grub (food). 

The Asian fusion restaurant was surprisingly full and felt almost like normal, which felt weird. Normal is no longer normal though and it is unlikely to ever go back to what it was. Once control mechanisms are in place, they rarely get rolled back. 


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It was a fun few hours talking about all kinds of things, but it was interesting to me to note that there now seems to be a more negative undertone when talking about the world in general. People seem far less optimistic about the future and even people who are normally quite compliant, are reaching the end of their tether and pointing out that things are going overboard.

My wife and I were talking a little after and she was saying that we should buy a place in the middle of nowhere and live there instead, just to get away from all of this nonsense. She is someone who is generally like most Finns, trusting that the government has at least some of her interests in mind. Unlike me, who is far more skeptical.

However, there is no escape in the forest either here, contact will still be needed and if Smallsteps doesn't go to school, they will likely hunt us down. Plus, I am not really a person who wants to live alone out in the forest anyway, as I don't think it really helps improve quality of life for us.

Some people take a "survive at any cost" approach to life, which seems natural, but I don't think it really is. Maybe it is instinctual for us to in the moment fight for our lives, but I think when we do not feel the immediacy of threat, we just go along with conditions, even as they degrade. 

But, if thinking about quality of life, is it better to live at any cost or would it be better to remove oneself from life? Don't worry, I am not planning anything, but I wonder from an "economic" sense, if there is some value of some kind that could be applied to calculate whether we are better off alive or dead, depending on our conditions. 

For example for me, I have always said that I do not want to be a living vegetable, so if something like that happens, turn off the machine and let me die. This means that I have made an economic decision where the value of survival is worth less than the cost of living as a vegetable, so rather than make a loss, I can check-out and lower the costs. 

This is morbid perhaps, but if thinking in behavioral economic terms, I wonder what costs we incur that if we were to consider them more closely, we would perhaps make different decisions. For a hypothetical example, given the risk of dying from Corona, people are getting vaccinated. However, if later they found out that their child is now disabled because of it, would they still believe that saving their own life was worth it? 

As said, hypothetical, but it is an interesting thing to consider as many parents believe they would give up their lives in exchange for the wellbeing of their children. But, this doesn't seem to include the wellbeing of potential children, as people do all kinds of thinks that will impact their yet to be born children, even if they plan on having kids at some point. 

What about something less personal, like the impacts on future children because of government legislation or decisions. For example, the trillions of dollars that have been handed out and milked over the last year and a half globally to "fight Covid" is not free money, it had to come from somewhere. In this case, it is debt from the future, meaning that the cost of today is going to be paid by people who had no choice in the decisions, but will be heavily affected in many ways. 

That seems personal too - at least for the people who are affected in that future, all to save the lives of some of us now. Is the cost of our survival worth the suffering that will be inflicted on the future? Hard to say, but we tend to err on The side of dealing with immediate problems that face us, even if we are kicking the can down the road.

We do this personally too. For example, a lot of us eat what makes us feel good now, even if it means suffering for it later in life. Or we spend money now, and then complain when we don't have money later to do the things we want.

Everything is a decision of what we value and we inflate what we are willing to pay now and overestimate out ability to pay it back in the future. I will eat that candy bar now, because I will go to the gym later. But, even if I did go to the gym, did I burn enough calories to cover my debts?

At least from my observations, it seems that people are increasingly willing to *survive at any cost,* even if it means risking their freedom of choice, their health, their wellbeing and their quality of life in general. But, I think most are willing to do this because they underestimate what those future costs will actually be, and how it will make us feel to suffer the degradation in living standards for ourselves, let alone others. 

All of the changes in our world carry a cost and affect our experience - and they tend to compound and snowball. Some are for the better (in general) like the advancement of many technologies. But some are for the worse, like the centralization of power into very few hands, as the incentive is for the central power to get more power by degrading the people, not to empower the people.

Eventually though, all debts have to be paid one way or another, and what is the point of surviving, if survival means to live in a world we created, but don't want to live in?

Is it really *at any cost* for us in order to survive this life? 


Taraz
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Written on my phone from bed and after 2am. Time to sleep. 


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@bashadow ·
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Survival at any cost seems to have started out in America in the 60's and the fear factors were heavily ramped up by the government with all the Duck and Cover from the Cuban missile crisis. There were other things going on also, but government fear training seemed to have started in earnest then. 

The beginning of the survivalist movement, of bomb shelters for the family at any cost. Stock piling food that would never be eaten. The fear cycle moved from the government hands to those that wanted to profit at the expense of as many people as they could convince. 

It continued into the 70's and up to this day. Governments, large Corporations, and very wealthy people with nothing better to do, continuing to push the fear factor so people will obey, and spend, and look to others for solutions. They all ask "how much is your survival worth to you?"

People have been preparing for the end for a long long time, the end has not happened yet, one day it may, but why live in fear of tomorrow? If something should happen and it becomes a TEOTWAWKI (the end of the world as we know it) situation it will not matter how prepared one is. Survival at any cost will truly test anyone then. Until then people really need to start living for tomorrow.
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@tarazkp ·
>There were other things going on also, but government fear training seemed to have started in earnest then.

Yeah. I think it was well before this too, but this was a "new era" of it, where what people had to survive were their own governments. 

Fear is the greatest control mechanism and we all have the hardwiring inbuilt to carry it. All that is required is some conditionining to build the triggers, and then the impulse to fire . 
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@bhoa ·
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> the value of survival is worth less than the cost of living as a vegetable, 

Deep..


Well I like the way you relate some things into real life events.


I guess one of the problem is guide to living.

Some people don't believe in delayed gratification.

A lot believe in the YOLO concept.

But I guess with time, a lot of people will see the difference.

I really do not know what to say.
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@tarazkp ·
Yes, the Yolo life is conditioned to be controlled by authority. Give people what they want and then, threaten take it away from them if they don't do what they are told. Then, take it away and only give it back if they do what they are told.
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@bhoa ·
Sad concept tho
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@d1homid ·
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Hmm sometimes in our lives, we might just β€˜exist’ and not actually live. Some people actually go to any lengths just to survive. In Nigeria for example, many of the youths try as much as possible to migrate to other countries for β€˜greener pastures’ because of how terrible the situation is.
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@tarazkp ·
Voting with the feet is a last resort, but necessary. The problem is when travel is restricted and a person can't leave. 
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@fieryfootprints ·
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>People seem far less optimistic about the future.

I can relate to this. The news said that electricity and gas are gonna cost way more in the not so distant future. Like... insanely more. And as result things like food and services are also gonna cost more. sounds fun...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ymB4Ls76T8
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@tarazkp ·
Yes and the people who are already getting richer, will increase the pace. The economy needs to be replaced at the foundation level. 
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@gangstalking ·
Electronic-terrorism, voice to skull and neuro monitoring on Hive and Steem. You can ignore this, but your going to wish you didnt soon. This is happening whether you believe it or not. https://ecency.com/fyrstikken/@fairandbalanced/i-am-the-only-motherfucker-on-the-internet-pointing-to-a-direct-source-for-voice-to-skull-electronic-terrorism
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@khaleesii ·
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The idea of buying a place in the midst of nowhere seems brilliant.

I know we need contact but I could probably survive with getting it once a month or so.
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@tarazkp ·
Once a month might not be possible. It might have to be all or nothing in order to actually be insulated
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@khaleesii ·
I don't think I would want to be that isolated that I wouldn't be able to do once a month.
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@preparedwombat ·
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>My wife and I were talking a little after and she was saying that we should buy a place in the middle of nowhere and live there instead, just to get away from all of this nonsense.

Maybe not the middle of nowhere, but there’s something to be said for the outskirts of a small town a half hour or so from a small city. The small town to get away from it all, the small city for emergency services and shopping. As long as you have a decent internet connection, people with the right skill set can live just about anywhere.
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@tarazkp ·
We are in that kind of location now. It isn't that bad in Finland in general yet - but it is getting worse. The interesting thing is that it is no longer possible to "vote with the feet" and emigrate, since in order to move you have to do what you are told anyway. 

This means that the "if you don't like it, leave" possibility has been taken away also. 

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@sand126 ·
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>I do not want to be a living vegetable, so if something like that happens, turn off the machine and let me die
Lolz..I think price inflation is highly responsibly for affecting living cost.The value of survival is getting less important than value of living better life at defined cost.
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@tarazkp ·
It is not just price inflation - it is quality of life degradation too. 
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@selfhelp4trolls ·
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I’m with you. 

So much is decided by fear and I really believe this is where most of our problems come from. Fear serves the momentary purpose of recognizing immediate danger or negative trajectories. Once the danger is identified, it just gives us wacked out priorities and leads to poor decision making when it influences our thought process beyond that. I think we should be encouraged to face the reality of death, decay and eventual irrelevance at the point of being deemed adults. It doesn’t have to be brutal or morbid even.  It can be expressed quite beautifully actually. 
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@tarazkp ·
And then, we are incentivized to act out of fear in order to get "freedoms" granted. It is a very efficient way to get the behavior they want...
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@swayzilla ·
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My wife and I moved to an area of our state that is considered remote and the middle of nowhere. It's farmland all around us and the closest highway is a 30 to 40 minute drive. Surprisingly there is a small city twenty minutes from us, but although we moved to a small farm town, our quality of life improved dramatically. There are much more events in local towns for children. Today after my kids soccer game, there was a truckapalooza event in our town with hot rods, construction vehicles, swat team trucks, etc and a pumpkin festival with games, music and a tractor parade in the next town over. The libraries in small towns are packed full of events and everyone makes an effort to really get to know you. We ended up making a small homestead out of our house, and not only has our health improved, but our lifestyle. Moving to an area that is more remote seems scary, but it's totally worth it. The city life isn't worth it anymore.
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@tarazkp ·
It sounds really nice. In Finland, it is a bit different since the entire population is a largish US city - there are only 5.5M here. My city is only 250K in the entire region, and it is the second largest :D

We are surrounded by fields, forest and lakes still.

>Moving to an area that is more remote seems scary, but it's totally worth it. The city life isn't worth it anymore.

I agree. I don't think I could live in a "proper" city again, though I like to visit. Though, perhaps I will never get to see one again either :D
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@szpb ·
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 > many parents believe they would give up their lives in exchange for the wellbeing of their children. But, this doesn't seem to include the wellbeing of potential children, as people do all kinds of thinks that will impact their yet to be born children, even if they plan on having kids at some point.

While a lot of ppl can not treat him/herself the way they should for their own sake, how could we expect them to act on the needs of their not yet existing descendent? 
I guess it's because most people do not live a conscious life, mostly left with thoughts in the past, survive in the present, and careless for the future. I think if you are conscious, you will not survive anymore just live, the best way you could and therefor you will survive. Live with the knowledge of the past, and for the most favorable future. 
I'm far for being conscious, but i hope i'm on the way to be once. But still I do things i should not, just like the most of us... It's hard to say no for things thats cause no good at all, just moments of pleasure. Those moments what we think we need, but even afterwards.

So indeed its just surviving, surviving the moment at any cost instead of just living properly.
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@tarazkp ·
>how could we expect them to act on the needs of their not yet existing descendent?

If they are planning on having children, they should expect it of themselves, shouldn't they? Even if we don't have children of our own, does that mean we can do as we please in regards to the children who will be born to others,  are we so self-focused?

None of us are all good or all bad, but since we mostly work on automated response and habit, if we do not set conditions to move toward a better outcome, it is more likely that we will degrade, as in general, we are more inclined to focus our attention on the candy than the vegetables. 

The life of survival in a world of plenty, is a strange kind of irony, isn't it?
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@szpb ·
> are we so self-focused?

Sadly many ppl are! I know some who don't have children, neither planned to have and declared he/she don't rly care about anything, but his wellbeing. Until the Earth gonna face serious problems he/she will not exist anymore nor any descendant... Hard to answer back properly and convince them about anything. The fact some of these ppl are believers make it even more bizarre.

> The life of survival in a world of plenty, is a strange kind of irony, isn't it?

It is, indeed! But to meet the expectations in our modern society is much more mentally challenging, then assure the basic needs of existence.
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@temitopemichael ·
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The "survive at all cost" is one of the many reasons people are doing anything for success these days. I just pray we have the right orientation towards the purpose of this life.
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@tarazkp ·
Success is a different kettle of fish - as that is "be famous" at any cost I think. But it is related. 
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@temitopemichael ·
Very much related πŸ™‚
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