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· @tarazkp ·
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Crossed Paths
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In what was more of a side discussion with @outwars about moving in together, we talked about what leads into a lasting relationship. These days, people tend to be quite cautious getting into relationships, looking to protect their emotions to stop getting hurt, feeling bad, stupid, or any real discomfort at all.- The dating cycle probably last longer, and more than likely these days, there are several people being dated at the same time. But in the past, relationships tended to last longer. 

> Why?

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Now I don't know, but as usual., I will throw my hat into the ring with some of my theories as to what the difference is between now and then, and then we can discuss it further in the comment section. I think it is a good way to get theories out and get people thinking in ways they might not have earlier, or for them to bring clarity and correction to my thinking. 

> Let's jump in.

@outwars
>Couples usually build up their relationship while dating. They put their best foot forward, slowly get comfortable with each other, and eventually showing their regular side. 


Yes, this is what people do now, but it wasn't always so, was it? Even if we don't consider arranged marriages, which supposedly have a divorce rate of only four percent, there are a couple of key conditions that didn't exist earlier, which might be summed up as, "less options". Communities were smaller and more homogenous across many factors, people travelled less, moved less and if one wanted to go further afield, the hurdles were quite high, as evidenced by this [article I wrote](@tarazkp/an-old-time-love) some seven years ago. There was just a lot less variation in to choose from. 

Nowadays though, the variation is near unlimited, even down to the gender chosen, which used to be limited to a binary decision. But now, dating is gamified, as is the entire ecosystem we operate within. It is an attention economy and with so many things to pay attention to, how much is left to be spent on finding, building and maintaining a relationship?

We were talking about when a couple should move in together and like in the quote above, the general idea is that people should get to know each other first and I think, this might be part of the problem. During the dating phase, do you really get to know someone, or is it when in the relationship, "stuck together" in a confined space, that the real habits are uncovered? 

Thinking about those arranged marriages, a couple might not know each other very well at all, but are suddenly living together under the same roof. Rather than starting from a place of attraction, falling in love and then moving in together, they have the space to move in together and fall in love. It might not be as passionate, but it can develop slowly, building respect and understanding, acceptance and shared experience, before turning into romantic attraction.  

I am not a fan of arranged marriages, but I do see some benefits of a lack of choice in the matter. A lot of our modern lives is looking at expanding our choices and over the last decade or two, the number of options has exploded across every domain, but it isn't making us happier. Instead, we are probably more anxious, more stressed, because even when we can over come the decision freeze, as soon as we choose, we have buyers remorse as we know there were many other options we could have taken.

> Keep on swiping.

And I am not just talking about dating apps, but the entire digital space that we consume through our phones. Our attention is not only spread thin, not only taken away from what matters, but what is in front of our eyes is an endless supply of *alternatives* to what we have, or could have. It makes us desire more than we can ever consume, and want what may not be in our own best interest. Not only this, the expectation versus the reality of what we see and get, can be two completely different things. 

> More buyers remorse.

To finish off this train of thought, perhaps one of the main reasons so many relationships are doomed before they start these days, is because we have made everything disposable, including ourselves. We have created and support a consumer world, where it is about buying, using, and throwing away. Not only is nothing built to last anymore, it is also built not to be repaired. It is "cheaper" to buy an entire new TV, than get one fixed, and pretty much all gadgets have a lifespan of two years. 

And this mentality has seeped into all of our behaviors, where rather than work and build through problems in a relationship, it is far easier to just bail instead. There are more people waiting in the wings just a swipe away, so why go through the heartache.? And it is a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts, because the more this happens, when people do try and break the conditioned mold, it is far more likely to end badly, which makes them warier the next time.

One of my favorite parts in a poem are from ["On Love"](https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/148579/on-love) by *Khalil Gibran.*

>When love beckons to you, follow him,
     Though his ways are hard and steep.
     And when his wings enfold you yield to him,
     Though the sword hidden among his pinions may wound you.
     And when he speaks to you believe in him,
     Though his voice may shatter your dreams
as the north wind lays waste the garden.

Maybe the reason that relationships don't work out now is because we aren't willing to work at them hard enough. Like any investment, a relationship requires resources and if we aren't willing to invest, we aren't going to see any gains. Instead, our resources will just be spent on a lot of random crap, to perpetuate the consumer mindset. 

>Renters to the point, *we are paying to feel loved.*  

Forever in debt. 

Taraz
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@bozz ·
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I agree, I think we have normalized avoiding hard situations. You don't work through anything anymore, you just move on to the next thing. People are always looking for bigger and better when in reality you are likely just going to find "different".
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@tarazkp ·
And the thing is, that the less pain felt, the more pain will be felt at lower levels. It is turning us into glass people - which would be a good title for a post tonight perhaps :)
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@bozz ·
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You can thank me for the inspiration with upvotes :)  Just kidding.  I look forward to reading it!
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@coinjoe ·
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Been working at mine for well over 35 years from the time we started dating to this very minute. The work never stops. It is all worth it though.
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@tarazkp ·
Relationships are fundamentally, the only important thing in this life. 
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@ducecrypto ·
> down to the gender chosen, which used to be limited to a binary decision

We have every color of the rainbow here in Brooklyn. My neighborhood really is on the cutting edge of culture, it is so wild to me, and I can't get enough. I love how there are three international destination Top100 clubs less than 30 min walk from me. Everyone I could ever want to see pulls through NYC. Oh yeah, like 17 different genders in the crowd, we are here now.

> there are several people being dated at the same time

Dating at the same time, but even better, dating while in a secure relationship with your home partner. This is so great, I was feeling lazy and wanted nothing to do with going out on Friday night with a 2-day Water Festival here on Saturday & Sunday. But my partner, she went out to the MoMA, then dinner, bar, another bar, club, afters, ubers, who knows.

I woke up, she was safe, we both got what we wanted. Life works like a cham with just a bit of communication and understanding. I am beyond blessed I found my partner of 4 years without any apps, just somehow stumbled into her life at a house party during the summer of 2020.

A friend from my hometown gave me a shout at 2.30am and I decided I had one more stop left in me. I got there by 4.30a and 90 minutes later everyone was gone but my buddy, his girl, the host, and lucky me! We played 20 questions in the shower and the rest is history. Let's see about this dating post...

Looks like I'm lucky to also escape the consumer relationship cycle. I've never really been much disposable consumer items, so it isn't what I'm looking for in relationships either. I'd prefer the people in it for the long haul, even if they are thousands of miles away. I enjoy putting in my work, but I'm still a bit narrow in my focus in many ways.

Fun Topic T!
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@m31 ·
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Some of the "relationships" have scarred me for life. To a point where I was convinced for some time that I was broken somehow. I am not surprised that people choose to have less deep relationships with others. It is not like the relationships of that magnitude have no impact on you. It can hurt like a motherfucker and it stays with you long after the person is no longer with you. That said I would not say that from what I have witnessed that there is no hope in humans. Kids these days might have more fun before settling down but they are also more eager to work on themselves through therapy and urge people my age to do the same. 

I could use some therapy xD
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@atma.love · (edited)
i humbly suggest "do" some self-facilitated therapy. i feel this two part Conscious Relationships article by Michael Brown
Pt. 1 https://www.thepresenceprocessportal.com/resources/Conscious%20Relationship%20I.htm

Pt. 2 https://www.thepresenceprocessportal.com/resources/Conscious%20Relationship%20Part%20II.htm

followed by the book (& process) The Presence Process
https://archive.org/details/presenceprocessj0000brow
(free pdf or epub)

may well be very helpful for you.
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@tarazkp ·
I actually think that part of the problem today is overtherapizing, where people have elevated their feelings to such a level of importance, that everything is painful. Too much attention on the self, not enough on the surrounding experience that the self is within. Rather than learning how to deal with the pains of a deep life, they instead look to survive in a shallow life.

There is nothing wrong with collecting a few scars :)
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@outwars ·
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Nice to see our discussion turned into a post. Another thing that I realized that could be a big reason for shorter relationships now is divorce. Divorce is so common now, but is a bit of a taboo back in the day. Couples nowadays see divorce as their easy way out. Any inconvenience and they resort to it immediately. Couples back then are so afraid of a broken family, they avoid the stigma, and being talked to behind their backs. If there was a problem, they try to fix it. If they can't they still stick it out with one another.

Of course, old relationships isn't always nice and dandy. There are arranged marriages and those that decided to stick it out that say they were in a loveless marriage. There could still be cheating, and no happiness in the household. In the end, it might all depend on one's luck in finding a partner.
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@tarazkp ·
Yeah, divorce is more on the table for sure, which is another option to lower the exit barrier. People get married more easily in some sense, because it is also easier to get out. There is also more financial independence for women, which affects this too. 


I'd expect that all relationships face issues along the road, but I do think those that start off more slowly and build from respect before the love comes in, end up being healthier on average.
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@ryivhnn ·
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Quite a few of your posts lately have been reminding me of various Zen Pencils comics (I don't always get to start never mind finish commenting so you haven't been inundated with them, and that site seems to have died years ago while the author does books or something).

Anyway this one made me think of [this one](https://www.zenpencils.com/comic/130-sylvia-plath-the-fig-tree/).

I don't think people realise just how many options wither away because they're so desperate to keep all their options open that they don't take any of them.
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@videoaddiction ·
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Absolutely right. Nowadays, people prefer being alone rather than experiencing those feelings. I can say that we have lost trust for each other.
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@tarazkp ·
Lost trust maybe - unwilling to build trust definitely. 
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