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Half-Brained Thoughts
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I think as humans, we often consider counterfactuals and dreams, like what if we had been born into a different set of circumstances, or what we might do if we won a large financial windfall, like the lottery. We might think what m ight be different in our lives if we were taller, smaller, or better looking. And, it is natural, because this is what our brain does, as it is able to simulate all kinds of scenarios, and put ourselves in shoes we have never worn. It isn't always an accurate portrayal we imagine, but it is adequate for us to feel like we have done a good job.

> But I can't imagine being smarter

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> I can try, but I will fail.

I guess the best we can do in this regard is imagine what it might be like to get the outcomes of an intelligent person, but we can't actually simulate the thought process itself. We just don't have enough resolution on it, and perhaps by definition, we are unable to extend our thoughts into that realm.

> Not totally, at least.

For me though, it is a little different, because in a type of last half of *Flowers for Algernon* way, I remember what it was like to be more intelligent than I am now, and the understanding of the process. It is quite clear to me in many aspects of my own intelligence what I am unable to do, whereas before I could accomplish it with ease. As they say, you don't really know what you have until it is gone. 

> Can you know what you don't have before you have it?

There is an "if I were you" fallacy involved (I am not sure if that is an identified fallacy), where we can think that we are thinking from another's shoes and if we were in those shoes, we would act differently. But, that is not the case, because "if I were you", I would do exactly as you did and will do, because there is no other option, it would be identical. 

> This is why compassion is better than empathy, in my opinion.

Compassion doesn't require feeling "the same" in order to help, it just requires recognizing help is needed and being willing to lend a hand. Empathy requires feeling something, and often people will *feel that they are feeling Β΄the right feeling,* without actually having little evidence for it. And, even though a person might have zero experience with the situation of the other, they will swap in some experience of their own as if they are equal.

> Giving birth is painful. It feels a bit like when I stubbed my toe. 

And, even if people have been in the same conditions, the way one person experiences identical conditions, can be very different to the way another feels it. While my wife and I are in the same room, I can be sweating because it is too warm, while she will put on woolen socks. And similarly, the experiences of women giving birth are very hard to compare on a one to one basis, as there is so much variation. For instance, there are "simulators" that men can wear to experience the pain and they struggle to handle it, but I also have a friend who have given birth and it has been so incredibly easy, they barely felt it. It is pretty rare to have it that easy though.

> Can we simulate being highly intelligent?

Many people think they know how they would act under extreme conditions for which they have never actually been tested, and they "know" they would behave in a particular way. Like people imagining being in a warzone, or what they would do if they were a billionaire, adamant they know how they will feel in those conditions. But it is much like the analogy of trying to explain snow to people who have only lived in hot conditions. Without that experience, it can only be described, but never fully understood.

> Because it is unimaginable. 

What would it feel like to have a brain like Einstein? Is it even describable? I know that over the last few years I have tried to explain my own thought implications, but can only give analogies that never quite translate. The other thing that I have found is that most people actually have very little understanding of their own thinking processes, which makes it even harder to explain. 

Mentally process this question whilst reading the following paragraph.

> 43.8/2.4 =

Because while you are working out how to do it, like maybe adding up the divisible number, or rounding or whatever it is, that is how it feels to be in my head. The question itself isn't hard, but it takes mental bandwidth, energy, to process and find the answer. And while working it out, it is hard enough that little else can be absorbed at the same time, So, while you are reading these words, your brain can't do the math, and while you are doing the math, your reading slows down and very little is absorbed. 

> Now that you have the answer, the next is 23.7x15,2=

And then the next, and the next, and the next. All day, every day. Write down a hundred of them similar and then go to work tomorrow, and while doing your work, process the questions one after the other. If you get through the hundred, write another 100 and keep going. 

> How much work will you get done and, will it be quality?

Depends on what you do for work, right? The story is that one of the reasons that Einstein worked as a patent clerk, which he was far overqualified for - because it allowed him time to think, read academic papers, and develop his own theories. If he had spent his time doing something else that actually challenged his mind, he likely wouldn't have had the bandwidth to develop what he did. 

> I am no Einstein. 

I know, I know - such a surprise. But, I can't even imagine what it must be like to have so much mental capacity, because especially now, my mind is always full. But, I also have the ability to immediately blank it, because the automation isn't there, so I don't have to think. However, this is dangerous, because the more I don't think, the less I will think, as the hurdle to do so gets larger. Be mindless long enough, and the mind will acclimatize. 

> Use it or lose it.

As I have said for many years, *the more people consume, the less they create.* This is an example of use it or lose it and that acclimatization to the conditions. Just like muscles, our thought processes atrophy if we aren't using them adequately, and the conditions many of us are living in isn't adequately challenging our mental maintenance, let alone its development. 


But it is difficult to imagine, because while we are wasting our brains away, the problems in our head remain unsolved, because they just take too much energy to do at the same time. And, since our brains favor easy over hard, we will keep on doing what comes naturally. Less.

But, what do I really know?

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@amigoponc ·
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Resilience and empathy are valuable qualities. Resilience implies β€˜confidence in our abilities, adaptability to change and the pursuit of opportunities’, we know. Empathy, on the other hand, allows us to β€˜try to understand the emotions of others and try to put ourselves in their shoes’. Both skills complement each other; by being resilient, we can be more empathetic ⇋ vice versa. Cultivating both qualities helps us to relate better and to live more fully, perhaps more healthily.

On the other hand, as I have always said, β€˜words can be taken with the wind’ or β€˜paper can hold everything’. We fall into conceptualisations by judging others and we do not see ourselves in a mirror. It is easy to give opinions about others, but about oneself?
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@tarazkp ·
>Empathy, on the other hand, allows us to β€˜try to understand the emotions of others and try to put ourselves in their shoes’.

This is where I have an issue - because while you say "try" that isn't actually empathy by definition or the way people evaluate their own. they believe they have adequately understood and shared the feeling of another. I call bullshit on that. 

> It is easy to give opinions about others, but about oneself?

It depends on the person and how or if they reflect upon their own thoughts and actions in the world honestly or not.
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@aussieninja · (edited)
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Compassion - sympathetic pity and concern for the sufferings or misfortunes of others. ([Source](https://www.google.com/search?q=compassion&sca_esv=736aef29f1ec0651&sca_upv=1&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS966US966&sxsrf=ADLYWILglEQTTQvzVctFkD8di9lEmlmD7w%3A1724275470578&ei=DlvGZq77It3n0PEP7qz6gAk&ved=0ahUKEwiuuqzXgoeIAxXdMzQIHW6WHpAQ4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=compassion&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiCmNvbXBhc3Npb24yFRAAGIAEGLEDGEMYgwEYigUYRhj5ATINEAAYgAQYsQMYQxiKBTIREC4YgAQYsQMY0QMYgwEYxwEyEBAAGIAEGLEDGEMYgwEYigUyChAAGIAEGEMYigUyChAAGIAEGEMYigUyEBAAGIAEGLEDGEMYgwEYigUyChAAGIAEGEMYigUyChAAGIAEGEMYigUyEBAAGIAEGLEDGEMYgwEYigUyLxAAGIAEGLEDGEMYgwEYigUYRhj5ARiXBRiMBRjdBBhGGPkBGPQDGPUDGPYD2AEBSLEMUABYnwlwAHgBkAEAmAGpAaABmQqqAQQwLjEwuAEDyAEA-AEBmAIKoALQCsICDxAAGIAEGEMYigUYRhj5AcICFhAuGIAEGLEDGNEDGEMYgwEYxwEYigXCAg4QLhiABBixAxjRAxjHAcICCxAuGIAEGLEDGIMBwgIpEAAYgAQYQxiKBRhGGPkBGJcFGIwFGN0EGEYY-QEY9AMY9QMY9gPYAQHCAi8QABiABBixAxhDGIMBGIoFGEYY-QEYlwUYjAUY3QQYRhj5ARj0Axj1Axj2A9gBAcICCBAAGIAEGLEDmAMAugYGCAEQARgTkgcEMC4xMKAHio0B&sclient=gws-wiz-serp))

Empathy - the ability to understand and share the feelings of another. ([Source](https://www.google.com/search?q=empathy&sca_esv=736aef29f1ec0651&sca_upv=1&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS966US966&sxsrf=ADLYWIKY2g77XanLMj7eyECAZzYk9bVQvQ%3A1724275404392&ei=zFrGZrbPF-6B0PEP6cr1sA0&ved=0ahUKEwi25eS3goeIAxXuADQIHWllHdYQ4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=empathy&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiB2VtcGF0aHkyFRAAGIAEGLEDGEMYgwEYigUYRhj5ATIQEAAYgAQYsQMYQxiDARiKBTIQEAAYgAQYsQMYQxiDARiKBTIQEAAYgAQYsQMYQxiDARiKBTIKEAAYgAQYQxiKBTIQEAAYgAQYsQMYQxiDARiKBTIKEAAYgAQYQxiKBTIKEAAYgAQYQxiKBTIQEAAYgAQYsQMYQxiDARiKBTIKEAAYgAQYQxiKBTIvEAAYgAQYsQMYQxiDARiKBRhGGPkBGJcFGIwFGN0EGEYY-QEY9AMY9QMY9gPYAQFIvglQAFjNBnAAeAGQAQCYAaIBoAGzB6oBAzAuN7gBA8gBAPgBAZgCB6AC1gfCAg8QABiABBhDGIoFGEYY-QHCAhEQLhiABBixAxjRAxiDARjHAcICKRAAGIAEGEMYigUYRhj5ARiXBRiMBRjdBBhGGPkBGPQDGPUDGPYD2AEBwgINEAAYgAQYsQMYQxiKBcICLxAAGIAEGLEDGEMYgwEYigUYRhj5ARiXBRiMBRjdBBhGGPkBGPQDGPUDGPYD2AEBwgIIEAAYgAQYsQOYAwC6BgYIARABGBOSBwMwLjegB8tW&sclient=gws-wiz-serp))

I guess I don't really understand your need to rank empathy and compassion. You can both feel empathy and act in compassion at the same time. 

Maybe you need empathy to feel compassion?

I don't think I'll ever understand why you're the President of the Empathy Hate Club - but I really do think it's because you have a different definition to both words than what is generally understood.

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@nonameslefttouse · (edited)
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> Empathy - the ability to understand and share the feelings of another.

> I don't think I'll ever understand why you're the President of the Empathy Hate Club

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@aussieninja ·
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I laughed so much typing that. 
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@tarazkp ·
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>Empathy - the ability to understand and share the feelings of another. 

I believe that this is an issue, because people feel they understand and share the same feelings, without actually knowing it. It is a massive assumption. 

>Maybe you need empathy to feel compassion?

I don't believe so. Compassion doesn't require anything shared. You can have compassion for the suffering of an animal, but you cannot understand and share the feelings of an animal.

I think my definitions are the same, it is just that people don't understand the definitions, because they make the assumption that their feelings are correct. For instance, it is unlikely you can understand and share the feelings of someone who is in conditions that are very different to you. For instance, a poor black person in a slum in Johannesburg. So you can't have empathy, but you could still have compassion for them. Empathy requires familiarity, compassion does not.
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@aussieninja · (edited)
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But look at the definition though -  "*the ability to understand and share the feelings of another*" - *it's not the ability to replicate the exact feeling of another* - it's the ability to understand.

I can have empathy for a person completely different to me, I do have empathy for people different to me. I can't know the exact feeling of a poor black person in a slum, but I can understand their general feeling of insecurity, fear, hunger, etc because I've felt variations of those myself.  

It doesn't need to be the exact same... empathy is just the ability to understand and share. 

I can understand an animal being hungry (empathy), and compassionately feed it (compassion). 

Honestly, I think without empathy, the world would be an empty place. I don't think we could feel joy, excitement or sadness while watching a movie or listening to music or reading a book.

The definition of empathy doesn't say anything about it requiring familiarity.

I guess I don't really understand why you care about this so much... you've written about it at least 4 times that I remember, why do you care if people feel empathy and/or compassion?  Surely it's better than people not feeling or doing anything right? 

Even if you could convince me that compassion is better than empathy, it's not like I could turn it off.  You either feel it or you don't. You can't fake it.
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@bozz ·
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I don't think I wish I were smarter, but I do sometimes feel like my mind has a lot more potential than I am actually using, but I have zero ability or knowledge to unlock it. 
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@tarazkp ·
It has been interesting for me to go the other way, as bits have been locked that I used to have. I wonder what it would be like to be able to unlock them again, or unlock new abilities. 
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@eminentsam48 ·
Thats actually the worst i hate so much, never ever should anyone compare me to another we are all  #BuiltDifferently
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@nonameslefttouse ·
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One must find a balance between creating and enjoying creation.  Talking and listening.

When you're lost in thought, there's no escape.  Only the thoughts of others can find you.  
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@tarazkp ·
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It is a balance for sure. I think we have also created an environment of individualism, where that consumption leads to navel staring, without connecting to societal development. The only thing created, are new mental conditions.
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@nonameslefttouse ·
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I've learned a lot about life both internally and externally.  Especially lately, and it just keeps building.  I can speak on some experience I know most can't relate to, so that's why I say nothing.  

Do you remember life before the internet?  Being in your own world, you could see the fake empath coming from a mile away.  Didn't need a phone to know they were phony.

Social media gave them a platform.  Now they're everywhere, fully embraced.  And it's creating a world where one can't even trust love and respect.

 
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@outwars ·
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I don't think it would be hard to imagine one being smarter than they are now. Being able to do computations easily, learning new languages quickly, having the ability to multitask better, etc. Basically being a better version of oneself is easy to think about. What I think would be difficult is to imagine oneself being genius level. Creating/finding laws of Physics/Science that can guide future generations. A lot of times the way they think is so much different than a common person's, and the way they see the world is much more than what we do.
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@tarazkp ·
Imagining the outcome of being smarter is different than imagining being smarter, right? The mind in this way is a bit of a black box. Though yes, imagining being a little faster at something isn't hard - but like you said, genius level is out of reach. "unimaginable" .
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@outwars · (edited)
> Imagining the outcome of being smarter is different than imagining being smarter, right?

Not really. It's because we all have an idea of what getting smarter feels like. If one went to school, learning new things is equivalent to getting smarter. Because of that, imagining being smarter is not that difficult. We have a vague understanding of our limits. Being smarter typically breaks through that.

> but like you said, genius level is out of reach. "unimaginable" .

I would also like to correct you that I never said that. I said it would be difficult. I do think that if one pursues and works on something hard enough, they would be able to reach the level that people consider genius.
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