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· @tarazkp ·
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It's all relative, unless you need to live off it
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There is a fair bit of red the last few days - well, the last few weeks really, as the markets have slid away. However, it is good to note that all of the investment markets are struggling, where for example, the Dow Jones Industrial average is down 10% in January also - which is quite a bit for traditional markets that have a high degree of usecase. I think what is prudent to realize is, how disconnected "price" is from reality for the most part. 

However, we are in crypto, so let's have a little look at that and something that I have been espousing for the last year or so, which is staking for passive return and preparing for the bear markets. 

![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/tarazkp/23xAkfLXwvvvo1yDTgosN4PSYWbMQUCaF5QTqT2sokkwqPetDx66yxpQqCRHTr54Sx4rf.jpg)

For example, I have a bit staked into CUB Finance in the Kingdoms as well as the Farms and these bring in a daily yield and as you can see from the picture below (taken from Kingdoms) it is 26% in total across those 5 assets or 0.02% a day. This is not a huge amount (better than any bank by 100x) but it does have some potential. While obviously it is better to sell at the highs and buy back at the lows, as far as using yield goes, it doesn't necessarily change that much relatively. 



![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/tarazkp/23tbMYgfzGixRpFknX1YUwzzCssy68WBhJS2GqszariaweYUQYJ45VVpidHxbM5WRhATh.png)

## Theory of Relativity

To keep it simple though, let's put $100K in there so we have some larger numbers to play with and at the higher end of the market were earning 100 dollars a day on it, but are now earning 50 dollars a day. That is quite a "pay cut" but this depends on what you do with your "salary", doesn't it? 

For example, 100 dollars worth of crypto swaps to 50 HIVE when Hive is at $2, but when HIVE is at $1 dollar, 50 dollars worth still attracts the same amount. This means that as long as there is a relative relationship of the decline - which means not much really changes, life goes on and the yield can keep stacking as it was earlier, whatever the tokens may be. As prices start to rise, there is a straight relationship to what one holds and the increasing value. 

If buying with fiat or a stable coin, it is a little different because while still relative, it can benefit from other factors, depending on when it was stored. Selling HIVE at 3 dollars into BUSD for example, pooling the BUSD to earn a yield and then buying HIVE back months or years later at the very lows is going to be even more lucrative in terms of gain. 

![IMG_20220122_133202.jpg](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/tarazkp/23z7JHGSHThyCBHadgZBX2zveHLFwhFVf7fvETjuzyrBBBRxsYvYkWPUE7iBihkeKP6h1.jpg)

But, this obviously changes if "living off crypto" because of an individual has been using that yield for life expenses, it is gone and can not only not buy back, but it hasn't been compounding away and stacking. This means that it will not only have less capital going into the bear, but unless the person is able to supplement in other ways, they are going to have to tighten their belts or, take increasing amounts of *potential* out to use.

If the yield earned was that hundred a day and a person needed to use 30 of it to live life, they are left with 70% still to stack. However, if that yield drops 50% to 50, they still need the 30 to live, so now they are left with 40% but that is only 20 dollars now. If the drop goes to 70% the yield is now 30 a day and they are at zero. But, this is crypto and 90% might happen, so now they are earning 10 dollars on the yield, but having to take out 3x that in order to cover living costs, eating into the capital. This means that as prices increase, their increase is going to be affected and the longer the bear goes, that can become very, very costly indeed, especially since the following bull market is likely to be much larger than the one before. 

![IMG_20220122_132415.jpg](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/tarazkp/241F71XxouJyuwprJJakjebXmFYvsKYx9nQnVPJcqoD26UTDLZXVz79N5H9jT7VYKYa1z.jpg)

When prices return to where they were when the yield was a hundred a day, that capital has been eaten away significantly and might be at 50K instead. When the next ATH comes (assuming 3x), that 50 will get to 150K, but only 50% more than where it started. However, for the person who was earning yield and not spending it, that 100K drops to 50K, but the yield is earning and compounding, as well as being used to stack other tokens. 

Using that 26% and assuming a year, this means that if originally there were "100 tokens" in there worth 1000 each, now there are "126 tokens". This means that when price is back to the same point, the yield shifts from $100 a day to $126 dollars a day and the value of the holdings has shifted from 100K to 126K. So, when the next 3x ATH arrives, the holdings are now worth 378K dollars. 

As this is crypto, this could all happen in a 2 year period, which based on the compounding, would means (calculated very simply at 26% a year for two years), that capital holding would be "158 tokens" so at the 3x high of the starting price of 1000 each, it is worth 474K. 

![IMG_20220122_133532.jpg](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/tarazkp/243zfWcFftzPUy6QAepyU47EV4NTXEu64dMjhTqftRX4mKoUbokTGQghyHFJS1My7iAnf.jpg)

Then of course, it is also going to be affected by what is bought with those earnings. I don't mind getting some CUB and putting it into the compounding Kingdom, as well as selling a little for some SPS as I think that will do well long term (based on the opinions of others for the most part) and of course, I like to keep stacking HIVE, so I have powered up some again because there is no way I am going to be selling at these prices, so it may as well be used to earn and distribute the pool. 

![IMG_20220122_133402.jpg](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/tarazkp/242DNoi3wPP3LmhLE5EHXefdzxoHLBnHCQ8dbZPHDDdpimebk7vzjKQDKQkfbDG4s3s2H.jpg)

I am not saying that people shouldn't use their crypto earnings and the like, but I do think that it is good to look at some of the opportunity cost and why "the rich get richer". Billionaires aside, the "normal" wealthy are able to grow their various forms of investment yield because they don't have to use what they earn, which means they can keep adding more to the capital to attract the same percentage, in larger amounts. However, they might also take some of that yield out at the highs or sell performing assets in order to buy the dips, as this is a way for them to increase that capital amount faster and for cheaper.

I am *definitely not wealthy,* but I am trying to learn from my mistakes of the past and add some lessons from others for the future. It isn't good enough to just say "BTFD" because in order to do so, resources are required. For me at least, these pools are part of that resource potential and even if they decrease in value, as long as they allow me to increase my token holdings, that is okay. They are only in a loss if sold under the price paid, but if one doesn't need to sell, why sell for a loss, especially when they are still mechanisms to aid stacking. 

I held all the way up and all the way down in 2018/19 and along that path, *earned nothing* passively at all. As the markets started moving in 2020/21, this worked out quite well still and the value increased significantly. Using some of that to diversify into LPs over the last year has allowed me to stack a bit more token and it will continue to whether it is a bear or a bull market. However, five years from now, what will the difference amount to? 

It is always painful to see the values decrease so significantly, but they are just numbers on a screen, the token volumes are still increasing on the blockchains - unless swapping them to live.

Taraz
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@andrastia · (edited)
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Hey Taraz 

Always learning from postsss of yours like these. While the markets are bleeding is difficult to watch at times, I know it'll come back at some point and I'll try to use these lower prices to my advantage to increase what I hold. It does look like the bear market is going to be a serious case of holding on for dear life. 

Lovely pics of you guys and littlesteps. Looks freaking cold though. 

Stay well

Ciao
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@tarazkp ·
Bear markets are always about holding on for dear life! but, post-bear and into the bull - everyone who made it, is glad they did. 

Was only -10C today - not too bad!

Have a great weekend :)
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@bashadow ·
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I took advantage of the cheap HBD prices in Nov and Dec, If Hive drops a bit more I may withdraw some of that HBD savings to buy the dip in Hive. I have been steadily selling some HBD into the Hive slide from my last few post rewards, but I also put 5 HBD into savings.From .7 Hive per HBD to 1.2 Hive per HBD. When/if it becomes two for one I will withdraw at least 50 of my HBD savings in the hope over the 3 day withdrawal cycle it stays at 2 for 1 range.
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@tarazkp ·
make sure you are ready, as often the "bottom" is not very long. However, you can also withdraw it in pieces every day, and put it back in if the time isn't right. for example, take 10 out a day, when it comes out, put it back in if not buying.
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@bashadow ·
I should get at least the 10 out starting now, and then think hard on price action if I want to continue a step down withdrawal. I would hate to have zero HBD available if Hive drops to $0.50 or less.
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@cmplxty ·
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I’m glad that I’m able to keep focusing on stacking and doing things to increase my stake instead of dipping into it for necessities. I wish I was able to snag up more Leo when we hit ATH but overall I’m happy with where I’m at. I wonder how deep this bear is going to go, but thankfully for me I’ll be buying the same dollar value of bitcoin the whole ride down and then back up. Hoping to snag that mythical 1 solid bitcoin one of these days!
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@tarazkp ·
No idea on the depth of the next bear, but I am hoping to be able to buy in more this time around and then use it to wind it up for the bullrun. 
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@cryptoandcoffee ·
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I have been thinking about this for some time now and think a good move is to load up on HBD when Hive is back up again at a decent level. The 12% is too tempting to resist. Would hate to rely on Hive or crypto to live off each month as you would literally go from steak to noodles in the space of 8 weeks like we have now. 

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@tarazkp ·
steak to noodles!! :D
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@dagger212 ·
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Unless you need the token to live on, as you say, down markets are just opportunities to stack more.  I just commented about this the other day.  My farms in Cub are making between 40-100%.  That means that if we are in a year long bear market, by the time the bull comes around I should almost have double the tokens I have now.  Which, of course, translates into having almost double the dollar value in my account when prices just get back to where they were.

While I think it's extremely important to build an account that gives you passive income, crypto as a whole is not mature enough for people to start relying on that income for day-to-day life.  That said, building a stake in a stablecoin (HBD) paying 12% I think would offer a little more security.  I still would try and stay away from having to *rely* on it (it's still crypto after all), but I think it would be another level closer to *safe*.

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@tarazkp ·
>My farms in Cub are making between 40-100%.

Yep, in the farms mine are too - in the Kingdoms I have some in BTC :)

>by the time the bull comes around I should almost have double the tokens I have now. Which, of course, translates into having almost double the dollar value in my account when prices just get back to where they were.

And, this is as long as you don't have to spend any of it. I am not planning on spending any still - I don't mind earning along the way.

> crypto as a whole is not mature enough for people to start relying on that income for day-to-day life. 

Yet many do and then complain when they aren't earning enough. It is one of the issues on Hive, as people seem  to think this is a job with a salary. Reliance is pretty much always going to end in pain, because there is no such thing as certainty - everything changes. 
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@taskmaster4450le ·
It is always best to enter a bull market with more than one exited the last bull market.  How one goes about that is going to vary.

What I like is my activity can fill my bags more.  On the run back up to $3 HIVE, I hope to have a lot more than what I had the last run (in fact I already do).  That is the true value of Hive.


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@dandays ·
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Multiple photos was a nice surprise. 

I began familiarizing myself swapping and staking several stables the past few months and got comfortable with USDC. Can't complain.. unless we get into gas fees.
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@tarazkp ·
>Multiple photos was a nice surprise

I used to add a lot more, but I don't get out nearly as much as I would like. 

>.. unless we get into gas fees.

I am on BSC :)
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@dandays ·
Copy that. I'm on Cronos. 👊🏼
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@taskmaster4450le ·
The HBD opportunity summed up right there.

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@dandays ·
Except I receive APR every 7 days and can trade for fiat at any of the surrounding ATM's. I can't access Upbit or Bittrex so HBD is extremely limited outside the blockchain.
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@dauerbrenner05 ·
$0.30
Thanks for your math explanations
And wait, do you really have snow?
because we don't see the snow in germany
stays down, it's too warm for him!

And you also took very nice pictures
what camera did you use for this? 😲
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@tarazkp ·
Plenty of snow here - this is walking on the lake today :)
Just on my phone for these ones though.... I didn't take my real camera with me. I did take hot chocolate though :)
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@dauerbrenner05 ·
😄

What the hell, just with your phone
I did something wrong with my equipment 🤣
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@forexbrokr ·
$0.28
Something that is underrated is that simply by blogging on Hive, you're learning and fine-tuning a money making skill that is in demand.

The Hive community has a huge opportunity to stack HIVE while honing a skill that they could also be selling to clients for fiat.

Don't live off your Hive, live off the skill that Hive is allowing you to hone.

Something to think about.

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@tarazkp ·
>Something that is underrated is that simply by blogging on Hive, you're learning and fine-tuning a money making skill that is in demand.

I agree - *perhaps obviously.* On top of this, a lot of the other periphery skill and knowledge has value too. 


>Don't live off your Hive, live off the skill that Hive is allowing you to hone.

Precisely. I have learned a lot over the last 5 years and it has earned me a fair bit *off platform* as I took a second job because of what I have changed in myself through writing. I don't write for a living, but my mindset is very different. 
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@hivebuzz ·
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@manniman · (edited)
$0.37
When it comes to APY, it's price action that matters the most, so far CUB is still searching for its moment in the SUN. I'm invested in Projects between 5,00% - 3.000.000.000.000,00% APY at the moment. It's the price that makes or breaks it.
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@tarazkp ·
how is that silly high yield working out?
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@manniman · (edited)
Same as any other, people APE in and APE out :D

Since it's a custom Token in most cases (as CUB is as well), you can pay as much APY as you want for as long as you want. The market will decide the price. If a token goes 1000x in a year and the price drops 500-times, you're up 2x. The APY is basically 3rd-grade information or rather marketing type of setting. PRICE, PRICE, PRICE makes the actual ROI, always. Projects with changing APYs are a red flag, dangerous stuff.

All my opinion of course xE
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@manoldonchev ·
$0.49
> If the yield earned was that hundred a day and a person needed to use 30 of it to live life, they are left with 70% still to stack. However, if that yield drops 50% to 50, they still need the 30 to live, so now they are left with 40% but that is only 20 dollars now. If the drop goes to 70% the yield is now 30 a day and they are at zero. But, this is crypto and 90% might happen, so now they are earning 10 dollars on the yield, but having to take out 3x that in order to cover living costs, eating into the capital.

Well, for most of  the population of the world, that 100 a day likely seems unreachable in the first place. They would have to had invested a fortune (they never thought they would have) initially. I've been into the situation where 10 to 15 USD a day (while gaining 6 to 10 in quite favorable APR conditions no longer existing) were needed to come out for a couple of months so it was all about burning as less as possible from that previously accumulated capital. Setting a milestone, but on the way back, beyond which I would not return instead of changing something else (like borrowing fiat).

I mean, I guess the pressure is quite greater, on average. So, being able to separate the two economies is quite important. For those who pay a lot to live where they live.

Quite different if you're withdrawing into (i.e. pouring money into) a much weaker economy where 1 USD makes you a king for a day. If I had to rely on crypto, I would start thinking about finding the right country to live in, in order to increase the significance of the same amount of rewards. But...

...things change.

Last bear market's FUD moments I had already cost me the opportunity to move up significantly.

The funny thing is, it happens despite history's lessons.
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@tarazkp ·
>Well, for most of the population of the world, that 100 a day likely seems unreachable in the first place. 

Of course, but this is relative, other than the chain fees, which on BSC are low. It is more than I have too, but using the bigger numbers are easier than 100 dollars and 1 dollar yield etc. 

>If I had to rely on crypto, I would start thinking about finding the right country to live in, in order to increase the significance of the same amount of rewards. But...

I know quite a few people who have done this already. However, there are also people from those countries who have built up earning potential over time and are doing very well. 

>The funny thing is, it happens despite history's lessons.

We "forget the past" often....
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@manoldonchev ·
On the other hand, countries have become quite volatile, themselves. It's like a funny (but true) meme that I saw a year or two ago...

> "Bitcoin is not volatile. It's the rest of the world that's volatile."
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@mnurhiver ·
I really like the pictures you share. you always share good pictures
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@sapphirecrypto ·
$0.28
Longterm bear markets offer more potential to the individual who is stacking away and has a day job. Full-time Cryptoneurs face the challenge of liquidity. To be honest, people working a 9-5 should just make further use of the opportunity at hand, as their life is really not affected in any way. It is merely an emotional interpretation that gets them down.

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@tarazkp ·
I am glad I don't have to live off crypto - glad I have a couple jobs and glad I can buy some lows, if only with a little here and there :)
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@videoaddiction ·
$0.37
The price of HIVE is at around $0.80 now. It is painful to say that the price was at around $3 just two months ago. I think the more fall the more damage might give to HIVE. However, I don't care such changes of the price of HIVE for now. I hope HIVE will go on as before.
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@tarazkp ·
The best time to earn HIVE is when price is down - same for buying it :)
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@taskmaster4450le ·
>It is painful to say that the price was at around $3 just two months ago.

Not if you are buying.

Purchase a couple hundred dollars for yourself and you will feel a lot better knowing you didnt pay $3 each.  LOL

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@williamtboy ·
$0.25
Because of what's happening in the Crypto market,all the crypto investment Is suffering especially the heavy sell yesterday, caused alot of shocked to some people.

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@tarazkp ·
People are often shocked by crypto red days - I don't know why, as there are so many of them :)
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@williamtboy ·
They don't know that crypto is all about patience

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@wrestlingdesires ·
$0.37
It's definitely painful t9 watch your favorite coins dip too far. But what a great feeling when your faith in them is justified and it not only recovers but increases :) ...
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@tarazkp ·
This is the bit that I like - *the recovery.* Just a matter of time :)
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@wrestlingdesires ·
Exactly :) And meanwhile, fill those bags 
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@taskmaster4450le ·
An even better feeling knowing that my favorite coins are growing in number in my wallet with each passing day, even while the bear is alive.



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