I'm not surprised you're losing trust in the community.

I'm not surprised you still had trust in the community.

I'm not surprised people are assuming they don't need  to change, but the issues they are causing as a community is up to themselves - not to anyone else to solve.

I'm surprised you have a beard.
It looks nice.

<sub>Unless you've taken photo of a random dude with your kid.</sub>
<sub><sub>If you have, I support you in your decision.</sub></sub>

I know what you are saying. But i would argue "the tendency for people to do what they wouldn't normally do in real life is high".

People always behave depending on a situation.  Well not always, nothing is absolute, but we must agree that all of us have a few roles not to be hypocrites. Integrity is very important, but integrity is a trait of a very few. Usually very strong and often tragic personalities. 
Humans are prone to adaption depending on the situation, without this trait they would not have survived so long as species. And steemit is just but a simulation of a larger society so it may be that all mistakes made by people are more visible than usual, with economic incentives more pronounced here than on other social media we are already used to. More factors in the game, more variables in the equation, more complex the game. 

Tbh i find it totally normal, expectations were different but this is the reality. Even right now i am working on a token model that would prevent  in some way or some form concentrations of tokens in very few hands for our project. It is really hard and difficult to build a system that would be impossible to game. If it is possible to build such a system at all. And even if it is, will such a system be attractive to people to build their social relations at all. I know it is philosophical, but maybe we as species are doomed and locked in perpetuity for this type of behavior and no system will be able to solve it still being interesting enough and attractive. 

Even though hard to admit, but we love DRAMA.

I always wonder if it isn't just this inability to entertain thoughts of long term, sustainable gain and community, but more that they don't actually believe in the whole underlying basis of crypto?

"gotta get in get what I can get out it's not even money sell sell sell haHA look what I scammed them for!"

I like to think it's not the case, but so few people look at this as an opportunity for growth and at all of the potentials above and beyond ramen money that I'm beginning to suspect many just smash and grab here because they actually really don't think any form of crypto is sustainable. They swing from new thing to new thing fuck-you-got-mine-ing with the intrinsic unshakable belief that they need to take everything they can before it all blows away in the wind...

I'm not sure what the right approach here is, because that requires some fundamental education on a topic and a level beyond that of just this community.

Hi Taraz. Humans are terrible. In real life they think twice otherwise they may get a fist or two. I honestly think people show their true colors on a place like this. I am no different to real life as I am genuine so why should other people be different. I for that reason reckon they are being themselves. I wouldn't trust this lot except for the few I know.

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Complex issue, to be sure.

Just from your title, I got to thinking that I have lost my trust in "groups" even more than I previously had (and that wasn't much!) but I have gained more trust in specific individuals. And individuals are ultimately what builds a community. 

I lost trust in the idea that a group ("community") could set something up and make it work around a higher ideology than just the lowest common denominator. Steemit has turned out to *not* really be all that different. 

Apologists for the current state of affairs tend to shrug and say *"It's just capitalism at work,"* as if that somehow justifies everything...

With some sadness... my final observation your words is that we live in a world less and less oriented to *building* things, and more and more oriented to simply *using* them and moving on... without any significant attention to any destruction their actions may cause.

Meanwhile *different* apologists for the current state of Steemit like to point out that this was always "an experiment."

All of which adds up to be somewhat counter to what I have always believed was "right action" (both here... AND on many other demised venues I have been part of), namely to construct something solid that could benefit everyone in the long run.

Sorry, ended up waxing rather more philosophical on your post than I had intended, but so it goes!

>Scarcity isn't a problem in this world, distribution is and, those willing and able to create is a fast growing issue as most are becoming consumers of all things

They're just too few people who think sustainability. Many people are selfish, and just want to get on with the lastest or hottest, even at the cost of others and potentially themselves.

Most people don't care about the long term, that's why when another platform like steemit pops up you see em jumping around and scrapping what they can get, so long as they profit.

I use the term 'they' but in all truth I may not be all that innocent either

>Will they want a better world or, just a better life for themselves? I will give the benefit of the doubt and say that I am hopeful but, I am not very trusting when it comes to hope. Too many times it has failed me so I tend to rely on what is already done and the potential for what can be done next.

We're completely on the same page with this feeling. I would quote your entire story, but that seemed unreasonable.

I've felt this way since probably sometime around November of last year. There was a clear change to the way everything was happening on Steemit, and it was absolutely <i>not</i> for the better.

There are still many people on Steemit who are doing the right thing and are working toward the original concept of Steemit.. Unfortunately, there are countless more people who are here for a get rich quick scheme, or leveraging bid-bots, or creating a new scam/spam tactic.

Like you state in your post, it's human nature for people to respond in this way. They're just accentuating their lack of morals in the "real world" when they come online to Steemit and go beyond where they would in "real life". It's a shame.. and definitely does create trust issues..

Well said! Resteemed!

That is the big question of Steem. It is a social experiment. Is code able to "fix" bad human behavior, or is it eventually the society that has to do that.

This one made me want to think and laugh at the same moment:

    "These days, there is more doubt than benefit though."

As for myself, I have found that my own words have to mean something to me first before they could mean something to others. These days the idea of speaking is just that - speaking. It lacks what was not a few years ago called 'weighing your words'.

People speak first and justify it later and say that we are learning in the process. This is all good but for the tiny detail that, the only time this 'learning' comes in play is when we are forced to confront our own words. I think the it is a pretty good assumption to make that a lot of spoken words do not carry the conviction of the speaker and the words are the only thing that we can judge in some circumstances.

So noble the meaning of a belief, so it takes time to build and maintain it. Trust does not come suddenly, it must be built, and maintained forever. There are some people who can build but are less good at defending. What elements or factors should be considered in building and sustaining a trust.

You nailed it, brother!
It's a shame and also some 
hypocritical BS going on 
in Steemit!
Greedy & selfish whales create
greedy & selfish minnows...

And never lose faith in yourself. 💫

<blockquote>
It is interesting though because blockchain technology is all about trust but many of the users of it I wouldn't trust as far as I can kick them, as the saying goes. 
</blockquote>

Blockchain technology is all about doing things trustlessly. With it, you can co-operate with people without needing to trust them. That is truly revolutionary.

Always correct you, @tarazkp I believe Steveet can be protected from the evil of any society. There are examples in everyone there in this community. Good, bad, lazy, hard work, all weapons are looking for places for them. We all worked together and it will be wonderful to make this community successful!
![images (21).jpeg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmRy34Qm2LuqHUVszPW93GcSAiumGDuqWdWET3NZjaStKz/images%20(21).jpeg)

When I see the scenario than I remember my father and child hood memory .

Smile of child shows trust . Child has trust his father will never fall him.

Always so accurate in your words, @tarazkp. I believe that steemit does not escape the evils of any society. In this community there are examples of everyone out there. Good, bad, lazy, hard-working, all looking to make room for the weapons they have. We will also find those who see your triumph as their failure and from this speech some politicians are becoming politicians to become the president of the countries. How great it would be if we all worked together and helped make this community a success! I think we'd all win. A hug

Ethics is the main principle to apply no matter how bad some people might behave. Thanks for your article.

I enjoy calling out bullshit so here goes - I trust you. 

Seems like a small win in all this greed and promotion,  but it IS a win. 

At least I hope you think so. 

Here is a photo to soften the blow.  :)

 ![image](https://img.esteem.ws/o7etz4zp6t.jpg)

The idea that a group of people acting in their rational self-interest alone would automatically evolve into a working society people want to be part of may need some adjustment.

The ever-present short-term profit seekers and an economic system that favours wealth as a tool for accumulating wealth make sure that Steemit will degenerate at an increasing rate unless there is a more moral countermovement that, in the case of Steemit, will unfortunately also have to have big wallets. I think it is unlikely this will happen, and I have even less faith in prettily shaped reward curves and their associated theories.

Prediction: rather than admitting that Steemit provides an example of how a certain way of economic and societal thinking does not work, people will say it is *not a true Scotsman*.

I remember last year, when people on Steemit actually read and followed the works of others on Steemit. Now it just seems that everyone simply mass produces, spams, participates in curation trails and uses voting bots, erasing the connection between quality and payout, post and reply, comment and answer. I hope it will be better in the future, that this is simply a fad, that people will realize that this behavior is not sustainable. Let's hope it doesn't take a ruined Steemit to prove it.

I must say that I lost my fairytale hope in people and things a very long time ago and most people consistently reaffirm my belief that I made the right decision not to be easily bamboozled. You want it done, get it done and trust that.

Father and daughter relation is a very good relation in the whole world . Trust is the most important part in life .

Thanks for sharing @tarazkp
Upvote you .

"benefit of the doubt was still my underlying process. These days, there is more doubt than benefit though"

I suppose norms form in societies over long periods, so when we expose ourselves to different societies, as we do in Steemit by design, where different norms prevail, a level of culture shock is inevitable.

Still, the human race could not have thrived, as it has, if Thomas Hobbes' war of all against all was the ultimate philosophy.

Every human being gets such a kick out of doing right by other human beings, when given a chance, that it generally proves addictive. This even goes so far as individuals, in every society, going so far as to give their lives willingly for other individuals.

It's exposure, to that altruistic kick of a feeling, that is probably lacking, which leads to a pervasive pessimistic assumption that Hobbes was right.

I think trust goes well with respect towards each other. Instead of taking, there should be giving, and that is something a lot forget.

If you are waiting on people to make this place better you are going to be waiting a long time lol

Many see this place as a quick cash grab because they “need” cash, they aren’t trying to build a better society etc. Most pay lip service to a “better world” because it makes them feel better or look better in others eyes but deep down they just want to get theirs!

People cant even act civil on a place like twitter where no money is involved let alone in a place where cash is available.

Being caught in the thralls of the scarcity mindset is not possible for the majority to break free from.

I see no hope but entropy.

It's true that there are some people who don't act as honorably as they could, but don't give up hope. I enjoy reading your perspective on things. 

>Consumers are destined to chase the latest and greatest as they will define themselves by what they possess. This leads inevitably to imbalance as competition on such material gains will continually ramp up until there are the haves and the have nots. The haves will look down and say work harder and you can have what I have too and the have nots will look up and say I want that. It is a continual process of FOMO as, there is always someone above with a little bit more.


Yes! So true and so stupid at the same time. If people would recognize this cycle without end, they could just get out. But most people do not recognize him.

I saw your comment on that post that was like 10 lines and 700 in paid upvotes. It's pretty disgusting what goes on here with greed