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Making it, so as not to spend it by tarazkp

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· @tarazkp · (edited)
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Making it, so as not to spend it
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I was reading a post from @edicted, who is [considering quitting his job](https://leofinance.io/@edicted/i-think-i-m-going-to-quit-my-job-soon)  and going all-in on crypto, something I generally don't recommend. *However,* it does depend on what kind of job a person has and of course, what is the financial impact quitting has on life. 

In the past, I have seen many people go crypto only in the bull markets when they are comfortably earning more than they do in their 9 to 5 job, but forgetting that in the bear, that value can drop by 95% *or more.* The other thing about this in the past was that in order for people to "live off crypto" it required *selling* capital stake in crypto, but now with yield farming, it may be possible for some to live off the yield alone, much like the dream of living off curation.

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For me to live off crypto using the Finnish average salary as a basis, I would need *at least* 150-180 dollars a day coming in, seven days a week. Luckily in crypto, there is no closing time and 24/7 earning is possible and for me, would include the streams of post rewards (very instable), curation (more stable but also fluctuates with price) and yield (instable and risky). But while this is possible now, it would be far harder in bear market conditions.

The other things I have to consider are the jobs I hold, with my employed work a decent job that is quite sought after because of the company (even if the pay isn't fantastic), and my sole-trader business, which takes a lot of work to build and can be instable, but is a decent hourly return, since I don't have to do the 9-5 for it. However, neither of these jobs are "just get a job" kinds of deals and giving either of them up will make it very hard to return into a similar position, for me as a foreigner. 

Yet, I have also set my life up so that I don't need a huge amount to scrape by on, which means I would necessarily need the same kinds of jobs later, *if* I was still able to get a trickle income from, posting, curating and farming. In a hypothetical scenario, I would need about half the 150 (75) if I was able to pick up a low-paying menial labor kind of job, if needs be. This would then still give me an average income monthly. 

This is what I suspect @edicted is considering too, as he is self-labeled "scrapper" who hardly spends any money. I would also assume that he is able to flex with conditions relatively well, meaning that he can adjust his lifestyle to suit his income

Of course, this is all calculated on me not using any of my current stack, which similarly to @edicted's, has take a *considerable* knock in the privates the last few weeks, seeing a reduction of what I consider *a lot.* However, there is still a little around the traps, so I am guessing that it could also be used as a supplementation in a worst case scenario kind of thing, but my hope would be that during the next bear, I will be adding to the stack, not subtracting from it.   

At the end of the day though, I am far more cautious than many people, which is likely for a number of reasons, including the obligation I have to my family. But the other thing is that I see work as a way to invest into crypto, even if I don't use what is earned to do so, as it gives me the possibility to *not spend* what I have or earn from the various streams. 

This can add up considerably, *especially* during a bear market due to the depressed prices and is one of the reasons that I was able to build a decent stake over the last four years. As not only does it keep the crypto capital, it also allows for that capital to work and earn on itself, such as through curation and now DeFi yields too. Compound interest is very valuable and taking out the capital rather than earning on it, is more expensive than just the initial loss of the capital. And of course, during the bear markets, having even a tiny amount extra to *put in* rather than *take out* will see the bull market multiplier down the track. If putting 5 euros a day in, instead of taking it out over the three years of bear market, would have seen a *massive* gain in just the first few months of 2021. 5 euros is worth about a coffee and a biscuit in Finland.

I think one of the things that people who choose to live off crypto need to think about is when it is time to stop living off of crypto and get a job of some kind instead. I reckon this is hard for many and they will likely hold on to the *crypto life* longer than they should, so creating a plan and having the discipline to stick to it would be valuable. 

Though of course, I hope that a lot of people will not have to worry and can happily live off crypto alone now and in the future, I really hope people think about all of the sides to it. For someone like @edicted, I am not overly concerned about his future if he does this, as while risk-seeking, he is also pretty pragmatic in admitting his errors and pivoting on his position if needed. I know others who are far less capable to do this. 

For me though, it is still a long way off before I think I will be "comfortable" enough with the risk of giving up the jobs I have, but I am not too concerned about this, as I am quite content in the work I do, including the work I do as an employee. I do hope that one day I will get into the position where I can happily give them up *if I chose* to do so, but I am not in a huge rush to actually take the option. 

It is all fun to think about though and I am guessing I am not the only one who invests time into tossing some numbers about and playing with hypotheticals. I actually think it is very valuable to daydream about these kinds of things in crypto, as unlike most of the analogue world, here it is quite possible that financial dreams can become a reality and exploring potential can give us the understanding and direction to realize them. Pretty much though, it requires investment of some kind, as well as good resource management.

As I said to @edicted on his post; *Good luck out there.*

Taraz
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@automaton ·
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Would be nice if we could all quit our day jobs and earn crypto. The β€œcashflow” trickles in for most yet I could truly see a day where it will be possible to sustain oneself. I don’t think the average user is there yet..



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@tarazkp ·
The average user is definitely not there, but this is early days in the industry and there are new opportunities to participate, with a growing audience of users to bring and add value to everything here and to come. Should be an interesting half decade in front of us, and then the real growth begins as the industry normalizes, as a daily part of all of our lives. 

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@azircon ·
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> I would need at least 150-180 dollars a day coming in, seven days a week.

Keyword β€œ$”

With all defi and yield farming the key risk is not the return but the underlying.

The underlying β€œcurrency” is some shitcoin and NOT $(I understand what I am saying believe me, I have more shitcoins than most :))
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@tarazkp ·
Well technically, I would need euros :D

I think that in the future though, a few of these coins will be fiat equivalent and of course, there are plenty of and more gateways between all kinds of tokens and vendors now, for example using the crypto cards. 
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@edicted ·
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>Of course, this is all calculated on me not using any of my current stack, which similarly to @edicted's, has take a considerable knock in the privates the last few weeks, seeing a reduction of what I consider a lot.

#### This is actually why I realized I can quit.  
To lose so much money and still be perfectly able to quit...
The market could crash like that all over again and I'd still be fine.  
I've finally made it to the point where the 60%+ dips don't matter. 

It's also a bit different for me because I want to dev it up here. 

We'll see what you're saying when everyone's bags go x100, 
but for me personally I don't have to wait.  I'm already there. 

My monthly expenses are dirt cheap. 
I can live off less than $1k a month. Easy.
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@azircon · (edited)
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If you can really live off at $1000/month, for a while, all the way to your assisted living days, then you can have a variety of combinations of conventional and unconventional investment that will get you there! So kudos to you for that.

In my humble opinion, although that number can be possible today, but perhaps very optimistic 10 years in the future.

But even if the number is 5X that... which is what Taraz is estimating currently, it may still be possible with crypto investments.
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@tarazkp ·
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>We'll see what you're saying when everyone's bags go x100,
but for me personally I don't have to wait. I'm already there.

As long as my bags are included, I might *consider* changing the way I work :)

Out of curiosity (I am always curious) did you see yourself in this position a couple years ago?
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@edicted ·
>did you see yourself in this position a couple years ago? 

Not even close
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@farm-mom ·
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Work smarter, not harder. If @edited can swing it, I say go for it, follow your dreams. Life is short and enjoying the journey is half the battle, the other half is planning and accepting the pitfalls as well as the achievements.
Wishing all you young, brilliant folks all the luck in the world.
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@tarazkp ·
I think it is my advancing age that makes me a little more wary than the younguns :D The last twenty years, I didn't do enough for my future. 

However, I think that those with some gumption and hustle like @edicted, will do well, whereever they are and it is likely better than him *wasting his life* at Amazon ;D
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@farm-mom ·
Hold on partner, *advanced age* ? You're just a pup. With your intelligence and solid work ethic, I am sure you will land on your feet.
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@niallon11 ·
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I think that would be the long term plan for a lot of us but like yourself i would be a long way from that point. To quit my job would require a minimum of $2,500 per month to live from and that would need to be in earnings rather than my bank roll. That won't be touched.

It's been a great year for all of us but i am under no illusions how fast that can change and will keep adding more revenue streams to my bankroll until i get to that point myself. It's not impossible but will take a lot longer to get there.



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@tarazkp ·
It would be pretty awesome to get to a point where it is possible to live, but not eat into the capital. A long way to go for me, but biting the capital now isn't going to help.
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@niallon11 ·
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No rush. I'm looking at five years down the line a...
No rush. I'm looking at five years down the line as it's only now that I can really see it compounding.

Imagine what stage we can get to by then if we stay active and moving into even more good projects?

 
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@owasco ·
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I like @edicted's work quite a bit, so I wish him all the best. I also like reading your musings on pretty much all matters. 

I just hope someone actually reads whatever ditty I have written that day. Making enough crypto to supplement my income is not at all a driving factor here, or anywhere, for me. I see my tiny bits of crypto as diversification. It's a good thing I don't need it, although ya never know. 
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@tarazkp ·
Edicted is a lot of fun I think :)

Getting a bit of an audience for the work we value, is valuable for the soul, if not the wallet. A little income doesn't hurt and that can add up too, for as you say, *ya never know.*

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@planetauto ·
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Living the dream, since early 30s my plan and the ...
Living the dream, since early 30s my plan and the Annabelles too was to live life of recurring revenue, YouTube ads bring in a decent chunk but with the addition of Hive and related platforms this had increased to a point where we could live quite well. 

However as we’re growing pa on hive all rewards are being powered up or used to buy more, everything’s going as planned.

Other crypto investments their time will come too, avidly watching our ETN.

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@tarazkp ·
>YouTube ads bring in a decent chunk but with the addition of Hive and related platforms this had increased to a point where we could live quite well.

That is awesome. I think a lot of YouTubers would benefit from doing similar. 
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@ryivhnn ·
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I’m under the impression stuff is down at the moment so if he can consider it more then I guess he’s fine? Seeing as most people are crypto rich when everything is up and seem to think that will last forever? πŸ™ƒ

I think the family thing can do it, soon as children started happening, J went from being free and easy to the most annoyingly conservative, I keep teasing him mercilessly about it πŸ˜† (maybe there’s something wrong with me for not 😱)
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@tarazkp ·
I find it interesting at how fast we as humans are able to accept good conditions and expect that they are the new normal. 

>went from being free and easy to the most annoyingly conservative, I keep teasing him mercilessly about it

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@sheila23 ·
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It is a good reflection ... to leave something safe as a conventional job, there to analyze and have a structured plan.

In my experience, first I saved as much as I could while I was still in my conventional job, organized debts, organized the time and what I needed to reach the monthly goal, I have tried to maximize time at home and diversify income.

When I retire I confess that I felt a little scared, but I was convinced that everything was going to be fine and for the moment it is still stable, perhaps because there are 2 of us who are on the path of being able to work with cryptocurrencies and we also invest in others additional things, in order to reinforce that daily income.



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@tarazkp ·
How long have you been living off crypto and how has it been in the dips?
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