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· @tarazkp ·
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Paint Between the Lies
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I was joking around with @riverflows who was calling me "un-Australian" (the second worst insult, just behind being called a kiwi), because of my fear of power tools. It didn't help matters that I added I also don't drink beer. It really is no wonder I am not in Australia. However, Fins are also a big beer drinking country and, they tend to be able to do a lot of their own renovation work.

> Unlike in Australia, *apparently.* 

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When I came to Finland, I was pretty impressed at how many people had quite literally built their own house. Yes, it helps that many of them are built from wood, but the volume of work Finns did was pretty impressive. Pretty much everyone building a house or renovating one, would get home from work after five, and then spend the next four or five hours working on their home. For around two years. Things move slower when doing it yourself.

I grew up in a house that needed a huge amount of maintenance work done, but there was no one to actually do it, as my parents were born incapable of doing renovation work. As a result, things just got left undone, to fall apart over time - because it was too expensive to have someone come and do the work for us. 

Once settled in Finland though and especially after I bought my first apartment, I started learning how to do all manner of things, from laying new floorboards and installing sinks, to hanging kitchen cabinets. While I might not be great at it, I am proud that I *have the balls* to do the hard work. 

> The sweat equity paid off.

The sale of the first apartment, paid for the deposit and renovation of the second apartment, with the work mostly done by me as well. The sale of the second apartment paid for the deposit and some of the renovation on our house. If I had paid professionals to do the work I did, this couldn't have happened. There would have still been some profit, but the majority of it would have been eaten up by tradespeople. Like elsewhere - tradies aren't cheap.

Because of the conversation yesterday, I found it quite amusing to read in an Australian news service today that a young couple in their early twenties who had just bought their first home, gave up painting *the inside* of it themselves - and hire professionals instead. They gave up because it was just too much work.

> Painting is the easiest part there is.

*But it takes patience.*

There are some more uncomfortable bits, like painting a ceiling, but the "difficulty level" as far as renovation work goes, it is like making an omelette - A little harder than boiling eggs, but not much. And because of this, it is an easy area to save large amounts of money. But as said - *it takes patience.* It takes patience to prepare the surfaces, and tape the edges, and paint in the corners and all the rest of it.

> Many of the young don't have the patience.

They are a generation of having whatever they want delivered on-demand, and it shows in their consumer behaviour and their work ethic. They will be the first to complain about the cost of getting into a house these days, and how easy it was for earlier generations, but when they have a chance to save money by doing for themselves - *they hire professionals.* Professionals do it better, do it faster, and they *cost much more.* 

And while the costs in the grand scheme of things might not seem significant in comparison to the cost of the house itself, in a few years all of those costs add up when selling and looking for something larger, or in a better location, because those savings become part of the deposit for the next house. 

> Is sweat equity out of fashion?

But it isn't just the financial return potential that matters here. It is also about the sense of ownership that comes with actually doing some of the work involved. But a lot of people these days don't do much for themselves at all, as their meals are ordered, their groceries are delivered, and a suite of apps tells them where to be, what to watch, and who they are meant to be. 

I am sure there are exceptions in that age group who are taking the responsibility on their shoulders to learn how to build *and therefore maintain* their homes, but it seems to be a dying breed. And unwillingness to do the work is an interesting antipathy for a group hellbent on defining themselves as individuals. What is bought doesn't make an individual - an individual is in what a person does. 

> Doing something, is better than doing nothing. 

I think the younger generations, with all of their challenges and complaints, still need to look in the mirror and reflect on what they can do for themselves. Because I think they are undermining their experience by overvaluing themselves at the ideological level, undervaluing themselves at the practical layer - the place where life is actually lived. 

Paint the house. It might be hard, it might not be as good as the professionals would have done it, and you are likely to get messy. but, it will help your home be yours, and, you will have memories and stories to tell from your experiences.

> Everyone seems to just want to pay their way to the end. 

The journey is dead. 


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@amigoponc ·
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My parents' house in Caracas, Venezuela, was built by my father. Just as you say, he would come home from work and stay up until ten o'clock at night to continue the work. Before he passed away in 2002, the house had been converted into 5 complete flats and a garage for 5 vehicles, a large basement and about fifty square metres of land where there are now mango and avocado trees.

The house I live in here in Ontario is a second home, but in good condition and with the help of neighbours we did general maintenance in certain areas that needed it. I finished paying for it five years ago, and for the moment it is the inheritance I will leave to my son Matthew.

My brother Henry's children, for example, are not even able to connect a light bulb to their socket, for fear of electricity, but Gilda, the youngest, who is twenty years old, is the one who is studying law at the Central University of Venezuela.

Two to one, I always tell my brother. Two men who do nothing (aged 28 and 34 respectively) against a girl who knows how to defend herself and is self-sufficient.
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@galberto ·
Exactly if you do not know how do something you are a bad man, because this habilities give yourself a great opportunity to save money.
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@tarazkp ·
I think the experience with "useless" youth is not unique anywhere in the world. Yes, there are exceptions, but many don't know how to do the simplest of tasks and have to pay someone to look after them. 
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@beelzael ·
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My grandfather had built their home. I helped my father renovate first the lowest floor, and then the top floor. It was fun, I learned a lot, and got electro-shocked quite a few times because my grandfather had done some really weird wiring. That experience helped me tremendously building my business, as I didn't have to call any tradies for anything. Only once, when 220V was installed, I had someone come and do it. I watched closely, though, and did it myself the second time around. Worked fine, none of the machines burned. 

I'm not good at doing it beautiful, though. It works, but everyone will notice that it was done by someone who doesn't have the patience nor gives it the importance to be perfect. 
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@tarazkp ·
>Only once, when 220V was installed, I had someone come and do it. I watched closely, though, and did it myself the second time around. Worked fine, none of the machines burned.

Was just telling a friend last night how I want to learn how to do some basic wiring so I can do things like garden lights for myself.  

>It works, but everyone will notice that it was done by someone who doesn't have the patience nor gives it the importance to be perfect.

Next time, use it like a meditation. 
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@bozz ·
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My wife always thinks it will be a good idea to paint ourselves, but she definitely doesn't have the patience for it. I honestly can't stand painting, almost as much as I hate drywall. It's just messy and it never comes out right.
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@tarazkp ·
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>almost as much as I hate drywall.

I am getting better - *but not great.*

After the stroke, I had to get people in to help. One guy did some of the painting and he was fantastic at it. Patient with the details, but when it came to main walls, I learned that I wasn't using enough paint. 
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@bozz ·
Good to know!  Hopefully we are done painting for a bit!
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@elias22 ·
Honestly, Taraz, I can't help but tip my hat to you👏
What you said really touched me, especially the idea of ​​"sweat doesn't go to waste" and what you did in your first and second apartments until you arrived at your new home. This is a true example of how personal effort can build a future, literally.
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@fieryfootprints ·
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At some point in the future I may frame a few of my art pieces and hang them on the walls. No is buying them but I like them and the puzzles that are on the walls now are in quite sorry state.

I also have this crazy idea to draw something on the house walls but I still have no idea how much that would cost, how I would do that or even what I want to draw...
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@tarazkp ·
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>I also have this crazy idea to draw something on the house walls 

Inside walls or outside walls? My dad used to occasionally do massive murals for some buildings. A lot of work. 
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@fieryfootprints ·
Maybe both. I think that doing it on outside walls would be even more challenging.
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@galberto · (edited)
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Well people, young people don't know how the little pieces of ceeling in the house should putting, for example the chanel's go up and down and should be connect with professional, because if you don't know how do it, when the raining comes, your house could be damages and the water is comming to enter in your bedroom ok.

My dad always teach me all kind of habilities for be prepared for the future, he know when he has gone I am prepared for assume the responsibility of our house and for take care of the familiar owns.

People do not know how they would save money with little think, for example the last piece of wood was harvest by us, from the little plants to cut the tree and put to support our ceeling.

You motivate me motivated to paint the wall this night and teach to some little person to do, and if this would be bad, nothing else matters, you can painting again and again and enjoy the process.

By the way I need to build a house the problem will be I only have weekends maybe in ten years it would be finish.
Thanks for your inspiration, wall by wall I do it.
I hope to share the Avance in a far far away future.

By the way this is me repairing the house.
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@tarazkp ·
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I wouldn't know how to do a roof either! But I could learn. The problem is - my fear of heights :)

> and if this would be bad, nothing else matters, you can painting again and again and enjoy the process.

Exactly! Kids can make mistakes and it isn't too hard to correct them. The big mistake is when they haven't learned what they need as adults. 

Is the roof finished now?
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@galberto ·
Yes the ceeling is finish and the house is safe, but I am repairing one 30% of the ceeling, remember this is so hard to do.
This year I continues with the other 30%
And the next year the rest.
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@holoz0r ·
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In Australia at least, there's a limit to the sort of shit you can actually do to your house legally, before insurance or other mishap avoidance things leave you in the lurch should something go wrong - even if it isn't your fault. 

That, and the fact that people are so afraid of getting their hands dirty, or think that something they don't know how to do is voodoo magic. 

Yet the Bunnings car parks are some of the busiest places on Earth. (Bunnings are our monopolistic hardware stores) - and they're not exactly filled with trade vehicles. 
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@tarazkp ·
>In Australia at least, there's a limit to the sort of shit you can actually do to your house legally, before insurance or other mishap avoidance things leave you in the lurch should something go wrong - even if it isn't your fault.

It is similar here - but for some things, as long as you have a professional inspector sign-off on it, it is fine. Electrical and plumbing are tradie only though.  

>Yet the Bunnings car parks are some of the busiest places on Earth. (Bunnings are our monopolistic hardware stores) - and they're not exactly filled with trade vehicles.

Yeah, I don't get it. Maybe it is older people only? There for the sausage sizzle perhaps!
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@holoz0r ·
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Bunnings is now a place where you can go get things like curtains, pet food, cleaning supplies, and of course, snags; but the overwhelming majority are buying, I don't know what there. 

Last time I went in, I was in and out in about 35 seconds. Looked up what I needed, found the aisle, found the store map. Went in, grabbed what I wanted, and through the self check out. 

The door greeter was quite surprised to see me with so much crap in my hands on the way out after such a short period of time in the store. 

It was only silicon tubes and a knife; but it was what was needed.
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@mightyrocklee ·
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I usually calculate the jobs as in time needed to make that money. I do pay for someone to wash my windows, especially the ones for the first floor, and I do pay somebody every 2 weeks to wash my bin. One is £12 every 6 weeks, another £4 every 2 weeks, but is paying them I save at least 4-5 hours, which I can use more efficiently. Other stuff like gardening for example, I enjoy doing it, even if it is hard.
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@tarazkp ·
I think there is a tradeoff point for sure. If I had "real work" to do, I would have paid someone and did at times, because after the stroke I couldn't do many things that needed to be done. Even with the painting - I had the stroke while painting the kitchen :D But once able again, I started doing it for myself again too. 

Some things bring no satisfaction either - like washing bins :)
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@sanjeevm ·
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> I think the younger generations, with all of their challenges and complaints, still need to look in the mirror and reflect on what they can do for themselves.

In India, we don't have that trend of doing everything on our own, I think no one does that. However, one still needs to plan and take care of everything, to run a house and the young generation even hesitates to do this little, which is really sad. They don't want to do anything but still want to live a very comfortable life, which is simply not possible for a long time, because of increased responsibility.
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@tarazkp ·
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Why don't people do things for themselves there, is it a cultural thing?
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@sanjeevm ·
> is it a cultural thing?

Kind of, as we have cheap labor available, so you will always find better skilled people doing that job in affordable price. 
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@seattlea ·
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I completely agree with you on renovating places we live in ourselves. I tend to do a lot of work around the house myself. In our current home, which was built new for us in November 2018, I installed all new electrical outlets to upgrade from builder grade, light switches, changed out every single light. Build a 10 by 10 foot patio, installed garage flooring that I bought at Costco, Installed garage shelving and cabinets, mounted TVs in garage, living room and one of the bedrooms on the wall, textured and painted our garage and so on.

However when it came time to sell the house that just went on the market last night I chose a different path. Yes, I still worked on it for two months to prepare it for the sale and was dog tired working 10 hour days taking off work. But I chose from the very beginning to involve multiple professional crews. I had more than 10 professionals working on the place every single day for the last two months, I paid out over $100k for their services. They did roof replacement, new gutters, new paint inside the home and outside the home, junk removal services, septic tank pumping, furnace inspection, whole house inspection, electrical panel replacement, correction of roof based electrical service connection to the public utilities, and hundreds of other items. 

Why did I do this? Three reasons:

1. To not miss the Spring selling season
2. It would take me years to do these things instead of two months and I would be paying $4k+ per month in mortgage and utilities for an empty house
3. Not all the things I can do myself or would be acceptable legally after the inspection report (like pumping septic and electrical work on the roof or the main electrical panel replacement)

So yeah, sometimes it just makes sense to pay the professionals. I still did plenty of electrical and other work on the house in those two months saving thousands of $... 
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@tarazkp ·
Damn - that is a huge amount of work to be done on a 2018 house. A new roof at that age? Is that normal there? 

>So yeah, sometimes it just makes sense to pay the professionals.

For sure. Especially when inspections are needed and it has to pass muster. For something like painting, unless time sensitive, it is such an easy, boring job, nearly anyone can do it. I just find it crazy that young people are unwilling to do these menial tasks, even for themselves. 
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@seattlea ·
No the house is not 2018, the one we live in is 2018, this is my dream home from years back that my parents were living in. So that house is built in 1960, I forgot to mention it also needed a brand new deck :)

Painting is easy unless you need to patch up and paint giant surfaces with lots of trim work, the crew of 5 guys worked non-stop for almost two months to paint inside and outside of the 3200 square foot house and another 800+ square foot building.
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@tht ·
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If the issues in home repair work are not very technical, the person should do it on his own. As he does these jobs, he will become a professional. Repair work also benefits the person psychologically, I recommend it.
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@tarazkp ·
For the really technical or important, like electricity, I leave it to the professionals. For the rest, I try first - and can always hire someone later if I can't do it properly. 
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@videoaddiction ·
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Why don't u drink beer? A cold beer would be great while doing house chores/repairs/renovations, particularly during the summer :)
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@tarazkp ·
I don't really like the taste of beer :)
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