What if instead of prisons, we could rehabilitate offenders no matter how violent or depraved instantly and release them into society harmless to society - Would you support such a move? Potentially in the future some kind of form of this would be possible through some kind of technological mental hack, perhaps an implanted chip to control behaviours. I posted a piece last night about [psychopathy prevalence](https://steemit.com/psychology/@tarazkp/speaking-of-psychopaths) and think that in some future, such crimes are either going to be dealt with post-incident like now or, pre-incident through identification or voluntary self-suppression. https://i.imgur.com/KUlCqDN.jpg This of course brings up many ethical questions such as the rights of the victims, punishment for crime and potential for things to wrong but, it doesn't hurt to hypothesize and put a little mental effort into such things now. However, it isn't only crime that would benefit from such technology. In the US alone, over 200 Billion <sub><sub>[source](https://themighty.com/2016/05/mental-health-conditions-are-costing-the-u-s-a-ton-of-money/)</sub></sub> is currently spent on treating mental health problems. And I am sure that if one looks a little deeper, the costs are even higher if the knock-on effects are also considered. Even though we would like to be able to claim we are in control of ourselves, this is hardly true at all considering most people struggle to do the most basic of tasks that they know will improve their lives like eating healthily or, quitting smoking. Once other complexities and stressors are compounded, our ability to adjust ourselves is not as great as what we may *feel*. Taking out all of the operation risks and potential to be hacked etc, imagine if you had a chip implanted that you were able to give commands to in order to adjust certain psychological aspects of yourself. Changes to these things will of course then influence emotional states also, such as depression, addiction and the more basic happiness or sadness types. This would give us an ability to *truly* self-govern as we wouldn't be bound by our willpower, personality type or access to specialized help. We would no longer need psychologists to correct our behaviors either as we would have the power to make the adjustments ourselves, at least on the things that are influenced by our thinking. So, granted this tool, how do you think we would use it and would it make our lives better, or worse? Would we use it to improve ourselves in relationship to the community or, maximize ourselves much like we do now to the detriment of most? Imagine if you want to lose a little weight but like me, your sweet tooth has a mind of its own or, your motivation to go to the gym or for a jog is just not strong enough to get you out of the door. Potentially, we could dial down the desire for sweets and dial up our motivation to go for a jog. Sound good? Where would it end I wonder, would people become obsessive compulsive adjusters even if the obsession could be removed? Most likely, many people would make adjustments based on their current ideals of what life should be, what is already desired. They would attempt to become the *best versions of themselves* without thinking what that actually means. This could lead to a dialing up of the very behaviors that are destructive and harmful now. It could also mean that people try to maximize the positive feelings without thinking about the consequences of their actions which would overbalance or underfeed certain necessary aspects. People already avoid pain, even if that pain is an important part of learning. What we *want* and what we *need* can be two very different things and humans generally overvalue the wants which leads to many of the problems a chip like this could potentially combat. Just thinking about it a little should raise some interesting questions for each person and could make one reflect on not only the *bad* habits that might be unwanted but, the god habits that could be developed further. Of course, this isn't an option in this form *yet* so we have to rely on the tools nature has provided us so far. That being said, we like to talk about living in a better, freer world with more opportunity so it is up to us to adjust ourselves in ways that we each think will help get there. It is up to us to make our own decisions and even though we can't switch things on and off, we can think about where we want to go, how we could get there and strive and struggle to deal with all the obstacles in our way. Including the largest of all, ourselves. If you had a chip implanted that allowed you to change your thinking, what would be the first thing you would adjust? Is it important to you to improve or restrict in that area? Where could making that adjustment lead? What is stopping you now from taking the first steps? Would you acting a little differently make the world a better place? Taraz [ a Steemit original ]
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You actually make a point it could change their minds, but this will make of people engaged in more criminal activities since they know , they will get out of it through rehabilitation. I can not support the move and I believe majority will kick again it either. Acting justly will make the world a better place for all of us without much thinking. A crime free society will always move forward but I don't think that could ever happen in the surface of the earth. I'm Just nervous what you opinion would be on this issues you mentioned?
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>but this will make of people engaged in more criminal activities since they know , they will get out of it through rehabilitation. You think? That is going to depend on the rehabilitation isn't it?
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Yes
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The truth is that these issues always attract, we all hate the murderers and the sick, but we know the history and we follow the events of their crimes ... So we all need a chip, to control what harms society, to eliminate so many drugs and why not even love problems. It would be wonderful, would not it?
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>to control what harms society, to eliminate so many drugs and why not even love problems. It would be wonderful, would not it? Why not start now?
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Because in spite of everything, we still resist the changes, because even if they offer us the cure for all our problems we allow ourselves to be cured, or maybe we humans like drama and pain.
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Hi Taraz. A chip implanted in my brain to control ones way of thinking. I don't think so. The generations in the future maybe as the generations are becoming more gullible. Governments would love to distribute them to control the masses. would be a warped and twisted world. The world is robotic enough already.
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Hello friend, a pleasure to read you today, interesting subject the truth. I think it is quite probable that for the future something similar to this chip will reach the prisoners or psychopaths. and that would be very good for society in general as violence and insecurity will decrease. The problem I see when these chips arrive in society trying to perfect the whole world, where you can not be free to do what you put on, but you must follow a strict pattern. I think we would be like a robot and we would stop enjoying life as we have until now. If this were the case, there would be no junk foods, no smoking, no hobbies that affect the environment. This chip has its advantages and disadvantages as everything in this world. a greeting
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You have a lot of awesome posts, but this is by far one of your best ones man.
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It seems that it is a technological proposal taken from a movie, although if it happened, in the future we can detect such diseases and sick people and be able to control ourselves, because a better world is needed. less violence and more love.
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You will use that philosophy to use that sounds pretty beautiful Thanks for sharing such a teaching post...........
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Transhumanism essentially, and that is a place where the _human being_ becomes something else.... Vive lal difference, warts and all, is what I say! lol I see only grayness, mass death, and the end of a fantastic human race as it is right now, going down the other route... The human disease of god complex blinds us to what is already brilliant. The drive to improve on perfect destroys...
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Very likely but in another sense, it would prove what is possible *if* you put your mind to it ;)
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<blockquote> Potentially in the future some kind of form of this would be possible through some kind of technological mental hack, perhaps an implanted chip to control behaviours. </blockquote> We discussed that idea over a decade ago with friends on blogspot. A friend of mine dubbed such a device <i>moralator</i>. There would be two kinds of moralators: intelligent and non-intelligent ones. The intelligent ones would have some degree of context awareness but the non-intelligent ones would only dampen certain kinds of emotional responses.
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I think it is an interesting thought experiment to consider the various elements of ourselves that hold us back. Some people make very large assumption about the way things ought to be without ever really considering alternative positions available. They also tend to identify with aspects of learned social programming as parts of themselves that can't change. It would be interesting to see what is actually part of our psychology and what can be shifted.
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We have entered the domain of transhumanism fraught with peril and opportunities like nothing else.
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That is some Black Mirror episode scenario you are thinking there and also reminded me of a character in the Light of Better days book where a chip is implanted on a person that drove a person to become someone who was motivated to succeed but suppressed his motivation to love and connect with people. I suffer from depression and a sweet tooth too hahaa andni she to laugh at what you pointed out that sometimes it has a mind of its own. Anyway wouldn't it be wonderful if we could at a flip of a switch or use a program alter our mental state. Feeling nervous before that large pitch you will do! Increase points in charisma and confidence! The game is tied and you have one play to go. People are changing "Choke,choke, Choke!" During the time out you whip out your phone and increase nerves of steel and clutch mood. You are ready for that shot. Feeling depressed and suicidal then turn that frown upside down as easy as changing your mood music to Happy by Pharrell Williams. And live for another day. We are already tinkering with our minds with chemicals, mental processes and even hypnosis in some cases. I'll have to revisit your psychopath post. Going to criminals if this was to be done would I support the technology? Technology I believe has never been inherently evil. It is the people behind it and use it that dictate whether something can be evil or be used for good. If such a tech could be used I would say that it needs to be the choice of the person. Freedom will be the last thing that we should have and if we are to dictate our morals and beliefs to someone we are basically removing options and freewill. If government or entities are free without repurcussions able to tinker with our minds it is a scary thing. I don't know what kind of protocol must be set up in order that no one man or entity will have that kind of power over us. It should only be usbwho ultimately decides.
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Oh man.. you got my mind racing now... not only because of the plausible grim picture, but because in many ways we are already there... Are you familiar with Ray Kurzweil... I'll leave you this.. watch it and then add this to your line of thinking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BsluRkxs78
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As we are already victim to a great deal of manipulation in many forms I would rather there be a careful vetting done at a young age as to not mess with people that may not have tendencies that negatively impact society. Maybe children with learning abilities could be assisted and as with the violent psychopaths, we could tune them down a notch or two three. I don't really like the idea of messing with the mind, but do think there could be some applications. Would there be an APP, hahahaha What would I change in myself? I would tweek my attention span as being a hyperactive grown man I think irritates some people, but hell I get a lot done in one day and I surely would use it to prolong my concentration span. Hmm
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Sure there are pros and cons to this mental hacking. But I do not think I will consent to it. People value freedom, free will and power. Not having control of the way I think is scary. Now on the other hand, if I have a mental problem and a chip be embedded on my brain. The first thing I want to change/adjust is erase the thought/memory that causes my mental problem and help me build coping skills.
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>The first thing I want to change/adjust is erase the thought/memory that causes my mental problem and help me build coping skills. If the chip can do it, it should be possible without it too. Why don't people spend more time building coping skills now? Everyone thinks they are good at handling stress when there is no stress.
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The values of todays generation is crambling down. I see a lot of teenagers cant cope up with school,broken family,abuse of any kind,trauma from the things that they dont have control of and things that they can control but dont know how to do it,neuro chemical imbalance There us a lot of factors that can play on causing the mental problem and if a chip in a brain can change that,that would be nice.
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Our brains are the product of millions of years of evolution. Eating sweets and carbs was a good idea from our geneβs point of view, that is until we were able to create unlimited supplies. Now it's a matter of self-control. The old βMarshmallow Test,β a.k.a., delayed gratification β [and it can be taught](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLtQaRrDsC4) β no βchipβ is needed. As for psychopathy, there is a physiologist, [James Fallon](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/03/how-i-discovered-i-have-the-brain-of-a-psychopath), who while doing clinical studies of murderers and patients with psychopathy and schizophrenia, found that he had the same genetic makeup of a full-blown psychopath. It turns out that you can have the gene (MAOA) but not exhibit the psychotic behavior if youβre not exposed to childhood maltreatment during a very specific time of brain development. That implies that psychopathy can be minimized and maybe even treated if the markers are identified early enough. Thanks for the post β you always get me thinking.
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I think when it comes to many psychological traits, there is a fair amount of influence we can have. As a species, we are likely the most affected by the nurture component and even negative aspects could become positive if handled in the right way. I would assume that there are many psychopaths who have trained their actions (unknowingly) to positive pursuits. What most people fail to admit though that under the right circumstances, we can all behave like the most heinous of monsters. Thankfully, most never are in those circumstances though.
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its very good post
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The very thought of having an implant to control my thinking is abhorrent. Someone, somewhere will make the decision about what and how I will be modified, and it may work perfectly, making me a model citizen. Someone, somewhere else will see the possibility for making other, more nefarious changes to modify society to their mold. The new implant will be promised to do all sorts of good things for you that everyone accepts happily. And then the other algos kick in and the new human sheep will love their new rulers and their new society and everyone else forever. No, thank you. We figure it out without the mind control, and even though that is not the intention, it is human nature to turn the solution into a weapon. If it can be done, someone will do it.
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Over-consumption, violence, polarization, religious brainwashing, oppression, degradation, unnecessary poverty, profiteering from suffering.... aren't we already under mind control to accept such things, to partake in them?
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Yes, we are currently mind controlled in such ways. However it is an external mind control so there is room to conceive it and overcome it. Once an implant controls your thoughts your ability to recognize the control is essentially removed. Freedom of thought is removed and therefore you are no longer human.
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All true, however.... As long as we are capable of free thought, there is the possibility that we can realize that we do not like what is being imposed and can act to change it. Any procedure or device that can control human behavior will be sought after by demogogues to be used as a weapon. In limited, targeted use, of course benefits could be realized, but it is not human nature to stop with that. As for your list, many of us have made a conscious decision to opt out of supporting those ideas. Had we been injected with nanobots at birth, our free will could have been replaced for any long list of "needed" behaviors and we would not even question why we had an unending appetite for Soylent Green and supporting the Universal Brotherhood political party. At the top, of course, would be the One Percent who did not need the treatment so they could make our decisions for us.
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self responsibility is a problem now . an implant would eliminate it altogether .
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