<div class="text-justify"> I don't read much, which is probably no surprise to some people who do, but I just am not so interested in it. Sure, there are the benefits of being able to talk about various topics and sound like you know about it - but, what is the point of sounding smart? I have never been a fan of the [parrots.](https://hive.blog/quote/@tarazkp/shakespeare-s-parrot) The internet is full of them now and unlike in the past, even the hurdle of having to source, read and remember information has been taken away by a smartphone and a targeted Google search.  Some people seem to highly value the collection of knowledge, even if it is impractical in nature aand generates nothing. We have been conditioned this way of course as in the past, the knowledgeable actually did have knowledge that they learned through study and practice and therefore, knowing indicated a skill level to back it up - but that isn't required any more - which is why there are so many internet gurus - search engine academics. I think one of the reasons that so many people rely on the impractical collection and usage of knowledge is that it is safe, it is "verified" and they don't have to actually be able to do something, they can just point to someone else who has done it. It is perhaps akin to some kind of search for glory by association, name dropping to try to persuade the audience of authority on a subject. Google is the authority - Google knows all. >Side note: What would be interesting data is to see a topical conversation on the internet - and the search terms and results used by the participants ongoing in the background. I am willing to bet that a lot of what is being said by those who do not have practical or historical experience with the topic at hand, are bolstered by newly-found sources that support their view - *lacking citation of course.* An internet guru doesn't want to unveil their source of ~~power~~ information... I guess that once people essentially spin content to become their thoughts often enough, they start to believe that they actually hold those skills. I have mentioned earlier how gamers tend to think they hold some of the real-world skills of the games they play, when in actual fact they are just good with the controller. The internet is similar I suspect - people feel smart because they can use a search engine. Intelligence via proxy. But, what is the point if there is no personal input into the conversation, no investment of personal resources into discovering truth or falsity for oneself? Entertainment. One of my favorite websites is https://www.etymonline.com/ and while my memory sucks and I can't remember most of what I read there, it is always interesting to discover the background of words, as it hints at potentially lost context. While I am pretty critical of many forms of entertainment and how much time we as a society spend on it, I had never actually looked the word up before. > entertain (v.) late 15c., "to keep up, maintain, to keep (someone) in a certain frame of mind," from Middle French entretenir, from Old French entretenir "hold together, stick together, support" (12c.), from entre- "among" (from Latin inter; see inter-) + tenir "to hold" (from Latin tenere, from PIE root *ten- "to stretch"). To Hold or Bind. > entertainment (n.) 1530s, "provision for support of a retainer; manner of social behavior," now obsolete, along with other 16c. senses; from entertain + -ment. Meaning "the amusement of someone" is from 1610s; sense of "that which entertains" is from 1650s; that of "public performance or display meant to amuse" is from 1727. Created for amusement. Essentially, what this is saying is that entertainment is designed to hold attention, affect behavior, keep a person from doing something else - but I noticed that the *Entertainment* description required further investigation. > amuse (v.) late 15c., "to divert the attention, beguile, delude," from Old French amuser "fool, tease, hoax, entrap; make fun of," literally "cause to muse" (as a distraction), from a "at, to" (from Latin ad, but here probably a causal prefix) + muser "ponder, stare fixedly" (see muse (v.)). To *divert the attention, beguile, delude.* ### "It is just harmless entertainment..." Now, you might not find this interesting in the slightest, but I do. The reason I do is because I have spent a lot of time *thinking* about these things, but almost zero time *consuming about them.* I am sure there are a lot of smart people out there creating some great information, but consuming that information doesn't necessarily support making any practical move based upon it - it might just be for *entertainment* purposes. I suspect that most of what the parrots talk about is not only untested, it is also likely unobserved even from a third-person position. Just think about all those keyboard warriors - what does their daily life contain, where are they applying their knowledge? It doesn't really matter whether a person is reading the greatest novel ever made, a comic book or a manual on how to surf - until it is practically applied, the knowledge is impotent. How much of what we consume has an *intentional* effect on our behavior - and how much of it *Grabs our attention, holds us in place and deludes us into thinking we know,* even though we have never done? https://images.hive.blog/0x0/https://steemitimages.com/DQmUmkFQ8HtCqXFwXAjTN4mnVxALYcECgCrfcG5HivXqQd3/Ice_03_01_16-5.jpg As I see it, we have created a world of [Consumption as a personal achievement](https://hive.blog/philosophy/@tarazkp/let-you-entertain-me) and this includes the collection of knowledge that we we are unlikely to ever use other than to have a conversation about something that we are unlikely to ever affect, because we just *don't know enough* to apply it to our world. We are entertained, we feel like we learned something, but nothing in our life changes. I got a comment today after mentioning I don't read much saying something along the lines of, *I write well despite not reading much.* I understand the sentiment, but it is also interesting as from my own experience, people who read a lot tend not to be great writers as they spend their time mimicking others, not finding their own voice - it is not them, it is the parrot. I write pretty much how and what I think and freewrite everything in a stream of consciousness - it doesn't matter if it is my observations on a conversation, a fiction story or a poem - it is a flow and I do not know where the next line is going to take me and because of my memory, I barely remember what I have written a couple paragraphs earlier. It is perhaps because of my poor memory that I have developed this style as I am unable to stay on topic for long - I wander because I don't remember where I was or where I was planning to go. It is not to everyone's tastes - but for me it is valuable to the conversations that are continually going on in my head, driven by bits of data that it pools in from my environment. The word "entertain" changed purpose a little for a while at least: > Sense of "have a guest" is late 15c.; that of "gratify, amuse" is 1620s. Meaning "to allow (something) to consideration, take into the mind" (of opinions, notions, etc.) is 1610s. Related: Entertained; entertaining. *To have a guest - to entertain a thought.* I spend a lot of time entertaining thoughts, as I spend a lot of time observing the world and seeing where my imagination runs, seeing what connections it will make. However, it isn't the entertainment that binds me as it comes in through my living experience, it is directly related to my immediate physical world and therefore, has more chance of having practical applicability and *being applied.* For me, it is far more *entertaining* to have a relationship between my thoughts and my world in an ongoing discussion, rather than import thoughts in from others that are already formed, pre-chewed and designed for consumption, not consideration. Well, that ended up longer than I thought it would be, but that is the way my mind works - it rambles along with no set destination mind, no outcome required - but the process *for me* leads to consideration to a level where it can affect my behavior - *Affect my own behavior* What a crazy thought to entertain.... Taraz [ Gen1: Hive ] </div>
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The pursuit of knowledge is not about being a parrot. > Why invent the wheel when you can improve it instead. It's all a matter of what one reads that is the question and what they do with that said knowledge which is the answer. I admit there are parrots out there but that's no reason to only see one side of knowledge as a coin.
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Pursuit indicates intention and direction, not passive floating - having knowledge can't be the end goal. Improvement requires creativity - again, it is a movement with direction and not a passive stance. Anyone can read a book about wheels, the amount of people who have the will, skill and creativity to improve on it, are few and far between.
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But didn't reading in turn create possibilities within the human psyche? Without knowledge there would be no creativity to begin with. > Homer Simpson spice rack.
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I'm one of those that like to read, but I pretty much only read for pleasure, not to gain knowledge. I used to read a whole lot more than i do now, but got priced out of pleasure reading. I loved paperback books. Sci-fi, Fantasy, alt reality, lots of types so long as it was not a biography or a tell me how it was or how to do it book. I do look and use google to find information when I need it, or to verify statements from others, most of the time when it comes to statements there are equally justified counter statements, so pretty much a waste of time. I think most of the mimicking of others comes about because they just simply can not think for themselves, so they take the words others have written and reorganize them and call it original, simply spinning the same story. They have the book smarts, but not the piratical smarts.
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> but got priced out of pleasure reading. Have you tried the kindle type things? >most of the time when it comes to statements there are equally justified counter statements, so pretty much a waste of time. There seems to be no consensus on anything at all these days - even the shape of the earth >I think most of the mimicking of others comes about because they just simply can not think for themselves, so they take the words others have written and reorganize them and call it original, simply spinning the same story. Yep and the more people don't think, the less they can. I also think there is another factor involved where people fear being wrong, so relying on the information of others rather than thinking for themselves, gives them someone to blame.
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Yes I am actually on my second kindle, but the number of free books being offered two years ago decreased, and I haven't looked lately. I did buy several books after reading the authors first book mostly the independent authors and self publishers. then I started getting pretty interested in Steem, so my book reading time took a hit. But I did find and got to read a lot of good stories for free or very cheaply.
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I do read quite a lot. Maybe half is fluff, but I don't even read fluff to be entertained. I want to think. I think like you write. Free form and mostly in a stream. Often reading ignites that flow. I am also enormously curious. I want to know how and why things work and even more importantly how and why they don't. I leave a lot of things unfinished, mentally (physically too, for that matter) because I have the understanding I want/need and no reason to finish. At least with the thought process I can pick those unfinished projects back up fairly easily. Gurus without credentials bother me. I leave them completely alone, they have nothing for me. If I wish to know of something I want the information from someone who has done that thing. It's why most of the talking heads can't hold my attention and never have been able to. I would entertain a motion to adjourn. :) Thanks.
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I have nothing against reading - it is more the intention behind it I guess and whether it is entertainment or as you say, mental stimulus. >I leave a lot of things unfinished, mentally (physically too, for that matter) because I have the understanding I want/need and no reason to finish. This is interesting I think. I do the same with my drawings - I am not sure if I have ever finished one and I assume it is either laziness or I get to a point and say, I have proven enough to myself. >At least with the thought process I can pick those unfinished projects back up fairly easily. It is a good thing with thoughts - easy to pick up. One thing I have noticed is that some people keep repeating the same thoughts without adding anything to them. One good thing about revisiting and entertaining thoughts is the ability to refine the narrative - many pick a quick thought and throw it away just as fast.
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> It is a good thing with thoughts - easy to pick up. One thing I have noticed is that some people keep repeating the same thoughts without adding anything to them. To me, those don't even qualify as thoughts, merely talking points. If you can't add anything it IS NOT a thought. I've said it before, I'll say it again. You make me think when you write, and THAT is what I'm after.
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Thanks for the "fun" for me :) Paradox? Maybe... Occasionally? I don't think :)
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The title was clickbait - there was no entertainment here - unless you are a masochist ;D
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Everything is relative. Sometimes I can call myself a masochist.
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Knowledge is good, but it is worthless unless used to take action.
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Yep. People like to collect stuff - the collection of knowledge seems to satisfy some hoarders :)
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Hahaha true, it can indeed be very satisfying to know stuff
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>It doesn't really matter whether a person is reading the greatest novel ever made, a comic book or a manual on how to surf - until it is practically applied, the knowledge is impotent Am actually trying to pick up reading after a latent period, currently reading 'Knowledge and decisions' by Thomas Sowell. It's an old book, but much of your sentiments about 'useful knowledge' is highlighted in it. We have come to for instance place more values on degrees and certifications over handskills and technical knowledge passed down from generations. I agree with you in that sense, if knowledge is to be useful it must provide some form of value
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I have heard of Thomas Sowell -one of my brothers read a bit of him a while ago - but I have no direct experience. >We have come to for instance place more values on degrees and certifications over handskills and technical knowledge passed down from generations. I was talking to a doctor about this the other day - where I was questioning whether the tests are for the best doctors or for the best students. It is not necessarily a bad thing for standardization and is necessary in some respects, but it can also be too restrictive and slow innovation. Funnily, to be a doctor was an apprenticeship with a doctor, once upon a time. Not sure if that is a great process either.
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Interesting topic and one ive often thought about. I used to hang out on a forum that was flooded with these arm chair experts. One guy i just started calling out on his Google Fu skills. I think it's a trait of insecurity. Why can't people just admit they don't know always. At that one forum it got so annoying that myself and a few of the forum subject experts broke off and created a secret private aerospace forum composed of people working in that field directly. We get them first and its invite only. The conversations are so much more flowing and less frustrating. We do invite a few who are not experts on the subject but are genuine and sincere and we have no problem helping them grow their knowledge and mentoring them into scholars on the subject themselves.
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> I think it's a trait of insecurity. Why can't people just admit they don't know always. Yeah, I think so too. People are scared to be wrong. Scared to look stupid - so don't think for themselves - as if that makes them look smart :D >The conversations are so much more flowing and less frustrating. There is a solid background so that people are coming from the same base understanding - making the discussion at the higher levels easier. Having the enthusiasts and non-experts is a good idea, as they have less form in their foundation, but know enough to question processes. It is a good way to drive innovation of thought.
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I was often banned to my room for very long periods and what do you do when you have no phone or internet? You read to pass the time and for whatever purposes, it helped me a lot with my writing, grammar and whatnot. No, I am no expert or fundi and I don't remember most of what I read, but you have touched a nerve here and I will ask Mrs. Google to tell me what the benefits of constant reading reading are? I do still occasionally read, but not as prolific as in my younger days and mainly topics about the mysteries of nature. For instance, yesterday I discovered that hummingbirds can control and lower their temperatures from 40C to 3C and go into "Torpor" (hibernation) in order to survive icy cold conditions. Not of interest to many I know, but I don't have to impress anybody lol.
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I used to read a lot as a kid, but haven't found the time (or will) to read much of late. I probably should introduce some intentional topics into my life. I think most of my grammar came from my parents correcting me constantly - but I write how I think and don't worry too much about the grammar rules themselves :D As I said to Tom above - nothing wrong with reading, but with anything I think attention and intention should be considered. People seem to do things that they do not really have any purpose for at all and then wonder why they aren't getting to where they want to be. Bees kill wasps by surrounding them and heating their bodies to a temperature hot enough to kill the wasp, but just under where it will kill the bees. I was wondering how bees survive the winter and found that out along the way. But it was an internally motivated search - there was intention. I think it changes the value of the information. I also tend to make sure I have enough "random" information creep into my world through the people I associate with, as that gives me clues and cues to where my attention might want to turn next. Not of interest to anyone, doesn't mean not interesting. I have found that a lot of what I am interested in, most are not - but then, they do what everyone else is doing.
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Attention and intention are indeed the important subjects to the question of reading. Our interests vary and there are millions of topics in books in this world. The human design incorporates a flaw called ego and most often the attention is focused on a specific subject, as the intention is to impress others. Reading in itself serves well for relaxation purposes, but of course one's motives should always be considered. I have posted some pictures about wasps eating bees, but what you have told me about bees killing wasps I did not know. Thank you for the information and I will look into it with the intention of maybe doing a post about it. This is only a way that the value of the information can be applied practically. Yeah, I am also fond of taking the way less trodden :)
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