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· @tarazkp ·
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Suppress to Censor
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>Censorship is the act of suppressing words, images, or ideas that are deemed offensive, harmful, or inappropriate by a particular entity or group. This can be done by governments, private institutions, or even individuals themselves, and can target a wide range of media, including books, movies, music, and online content. Essentially, censorship attempts to control what information is available to the public and what ideas can be expressed. 

>! [Hidden Spoiler Text] I fucking hate talking about censorship on Hive.

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>! [Hidden Spoiler Text] Because people are bloody stupid.


While I hate starting things off with a definition, the above paragraph is an AI result for "define censorship", and it gives enough of a basic understanding for most people, and aligns with the dictionaries. And it also uses the operative "suppress" in the first line, which is a key to understanding censorship on Hive. So, another definiton.

># Suppress
>/səˈprɛs/
verb
forcibly put an end to.

*Put an end to.*

And why this is key to censorship resistance on Hive, is as long as an account has been created and has enough *resource credits* to push a transaction to be recorded by the blockchain, anyone can say anything they want on the blockchain. And this brings up another point to clarify - Hive isn't an interface, a game, a platform, a magazine, a business, a government... *it is...*

# A Blockchain.

And what the witnesses do is process the transactions so that there is a record of *everything* that gets written to the blockchain. They don't read each letter or number and decide whether it is worthy of spending immutable eternity on the blockchain, the witness (a machine) just faithfully records, silently, without judgement - no matter how vile.

But many people conflate Hive the blockchain with the interface they are using, because that is the way they interact with it, and that is their "view" of the blockchain. And this throws up the arguments of censorship "on Hive" when what they are actually complaining about is being blocked on a particular interface. Those interfaces are *not Hive,* they are a *filtered view of Hive.* All the interfaces pick and choose what bits of the blockchain recordings they choose to show, which is why this post isn't going to appear in the Splinterlands interface, and the Splinterlands battle I just lost isn't going to appear on my Peakd blog interface - even though both are recorded *on Hive.* 

# Censorship!!!

*But not on Hive.*

Going on the entry paragraph, this would be content that is "inappropriate" for either interface. One is a game, the other a blog, and the owners and developers of each interface experience can choose what gets shown on their platform. However, the information is still recorded to the blockchain, no matter what it is. It is a bit like polarized glasses, that don't let some light wavelengths through - but you can always take off the glasses. 

The complaint of censorship on Hive is that when people get downvoted to oblivion in reputation, most interfaces will hide their content, requiring an extra click to see anything new they write. But, click, and there it is still on the blockchain, *unsupporessed.* The interfaces *that are not Hive* can choose what they show and hide from the blockchain, but there is nothing stopping anyone from building an interface that doesn't hide anything on Hive, or, only shows the hidden content with reputations below zero, if they choose. The reason no one has created that interface though, is because *no one wants to see that shit* as it is a terrible experience, so there is nu business model in there to attract users. It is a bit like going to a restaurant and ordering filet mignon, and them bringing you a bucket of horse shit and calling it a steak.

> That isn't what you wanted.

*Probably.*


But as said, people often confuse their access point to the blockchain for the blockchain itself, without realising the way they view it is a simple window that doesn't show the entire contents. And that window is tinted. It is tinted by the interfaces in attempt to provide an attractive experience for the interface users. Technically, there is nothing to stop them putting in options to auto show/hide interface hidden options, but there is also nothing stopping them from giving an option to example, hide everything that has a [KE ratio](https://peakd.com/hive-180505/@tarazkp/ke-i-can-see-you) over a particular number. For instance, if I choose to only see content from people with no more than a 3 KE ratio, then the interface could autohide it for me through a setting toggle. 

> Censored?

*Not on the blockchain.* 

To censor on Hive, it would have to be through stopping the writing of it onto the blockchain, which is pretty hard to do considering that it would have to be done at the witness level upon submission. It isn't impossible, but Hive is censorship *resistant* only. It could be that witnesses could fork the chain to put in a blacklist of accounts to stop them from ever posting again - but the likelihood of that is .... approaching zero. 

I hope this clears up a few things around Hive censorship resistance in a simple enough manner.

However, the biggest complaints about censorship don't actually come from the people who care about the technical details on definitions of censorship, they come from people who feel that they should be able to say what they want, when and how they want, without having any *social* consequence to their behaviour. It is from people who think that they are entitled to earn Hive emissions on their content, no matter what they say or do. It is from people who get downvoted, often not because of what they write, but how they do it and their other behaviours. 

>Downvotes are not censorship.

They can take *potential* rewards from a post, but they can't take HIVE or HBD from a wallet, as there it is owned by an account. A post with votes on it doesn't own that HIVE, until it is emitted from the blockchain at pay out time and transferred into the owner's Hive wallet. And the people downvoting for whatever their reasoning is, *are not Hive* either. They have an account and own the rights to commit a transaction to the blockchain - and they submitted a downvote. They are people, with opinions and ideas of their own, and they will behave as they choose. Hive does not *suppress* them, in the same way it doesn't suppress any particular content. 

- Hive is a blockchain. 
- A blockchain records transactions. 
- If you have the rights to write to the blockchain, you can add a transaction.
- You can say what you want and how you want.
- What you write to the blockchain will be recorded immutably.
- It will be there forever. 
- The interfaces are not Hive, they are a filtered view of the blockchain.
- Hive doesn't judge what you say or do on the Blockchain.
- People do judge what you say and do. 

*Everything written on the Hive blockchain is publicly accessible.*

Clear enough?





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@riverflows ·
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Agreed, thanks for the link, missed it. 


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@tarazkp ·
It is so easy!
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@bozz ·
It would seem that people love to argue semantics these days.  I agree with you, I think that people should at least have some basic knowledge of the blockchain they are using before they start going off the handle.  People get so used to just using applications and expecting that they will work, but blockchain adds an extra element that really requires you to actually understand at least the basics of the tech.  
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@coinjoe ·
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What new asshat has started complaining about being censored now? A new Blurt blogger coming their way I assume. 

Or is this just a PSA for the sake of doing a PSA? 
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@tarazkp ·
>A new Blurt blogger coming their way I assume.

:D :D

Not quite - one perhaps going the other way though! :D
It is a good reminder for many to think about what Hive actually is and what it offers. 
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@coinjoe ·
It is a good reminder. A good explainatiin that I will bookmarking to share if needed in the future.
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@fieryfootprints ·
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During my 7+years on the chain I never felt like my content was censored or suppressed. I did get a few dislikes but that just mean that someone disliked my post. Most people like them and I like making them. So I continued making posts. Some people like to to be victims so they take everything as a personal attack against them. I don't think that someone who calls my art childish on facebook is suppressing my art or using hate speech. Same with hive- I am here to make content and interact with people. If I would worry about each dislike I get that would just waste my time and efforts. At the same time I would hate to see all my rewards being nullified to zero or very minimum. After all I invested 7+ years and most of my money in Hive. So I could also understand people who are not happy about getting downvotes all the time. ~~But if people are getting downvotes all the time it is likely because they are doing something really bad and are at least part of the problem themselves.~~
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@tarazkp ·
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>Some people like to to be victims so they take everything as a personal attack against them

And some people behave in ways to attract downvotes, in order to make themselves victims. It is a losing strategy. They get some support, but rarely from people with stake. 
And yeah, I get it if getting downvoted all of the time. But having stake, doesn't excuse bad behaviour. 
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@meesterboom ·
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I loved the spoilers 🤣

Ama of course

> *The reason no one has created that interface though, is because no one wants to see that shit as it is a terrible experience*

How very very true!
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@tarazkp ·
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>I loved the spoilers 🤣

I removed the "cunts" and replaced it with bloody stupid ;D
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@meesterboom ·
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@riverflows ·
Hahahahah very Australian of you. 
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@riverflows ·
Bloody good one Taraz. 

What you said ⬆️⬆️⬆️ 

> people who feel that they should be able to say what they want, when and how they want, without having any social consequence to their behaviour.

This. There's one wanker here that whenever I challenge him, he loses his absolute shit, swears at me, puts me down, calls me every name under the sun. So I muted him in Hive Garden, and he started crying about censorship. 

Crikey o Riley, he needs a bloody straitjacket or go straight to Blurt. 
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@ryivhnn ·
Given there's a few of you writing about this again I'm assuming there's been yet aother dustup about how demonetisation is basically the same as deplatforming/censorship because consequences should only ever apply to other people.
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@techstyle ·
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This an eye opener for me, but regardless of the fact of censorship on hive blockchain, does censorship has effect on communities on hive. 
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@tarazkp ·
Communities are not Hive, they are people. Yes, some of the behaviours do, like downvoting. But so do other behaviours like spamming poor content, AI generated content, and acting like a dick. 
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@tht ·
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The world is becoming more and more free. The development of technology is a big factor in this. We used to be dependent on biased, impartial media outlets. This has changed now. Blockchain in particular is designed to be uncensorable. Applications that allow us to access the blockchain can censor. However, this is impossible in blockchain. Life without censorship, everyone expressing their thoughts sounds good.
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@tarazkp ·
>Life without censorship, everyone expressing their thoughts sounds good.

Yeah it does. At the same time, not all thoughts or behaviours are good or value adding. There has to be a way to sort value from trash, for the majority of users don't want to live in filth. 
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@urrirru ·
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A couple of years ago my upvote on Hive cost $1.3 and I had my own circle of friends. There was a moment when I couldn't continue voting for one user because they started downvoting him. This is not censorship. This is something else.
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@tarazkp ·
If the voting circle is too tight, how is anyone else going to earn? It is good to support friends, but there also has to be some that goes outward. One of the reason I like voting on comments, is that almost anyone can comment well, and I will give them some support. 
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@videoaddiction ·
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I wonder whether a post or a comment change when we change even a letter of them after posting, by using such interfaces.
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@tarazkp ·
What do you mean?
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@videoaddiction ·
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I write "A" in this comment, what if later I change it to "B"? Will it change or stay as A on the blockchain forever.
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