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The Spectrum of Non-inclusion by tarazkp

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· @tarazkp ·
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The Spectrum of Non-inclusion
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>Live with intention or exist by default

Nearly everything exists on a spectrum, and like yin and yang, there is a drop of the other in each extreme. This is especially true for human traits and the way we evaluate our experience, and even though we can create borders through definitions, it doesn't mean those borders actually exist, as they are like lines on a map that divide up the globe. We can act as if they are real, we can argue and fight over them, but at the end of the day, they are social constructions - 

> the plants and animals do not care and do not adhere to our imaginary lines. 


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In the last couple of days, I have had several conversations around AI and the definition of art, both on-chain and off with a friend of mine. One of the conversations was about AI being able to perhaps visualize the torment in the mind of someone with schizophrenia. While it would be incredibly interesting to see, it also raises several questions. One of these would be in regard to consent - can a schizophrenic give consent to see that level of their most intimate selves for public consumption?

My friend added another wrinkle similar, where after a forever ongoing discussion about oppression and power dynamics, I mentioned that if two adults start a relationship and one is the boss, it is seen as one exerting their influence over the other. However, if someone is considered to be in a group that is oppressed, does that mean that they can never be in a relationship with someone who is from another group? If for example, black people are considered disadvantaged and white people privileged, is it appropriate for them to have a sexual relationship? Isn't it just white people taking advantage of the disadvantaged? What about differences in socio-economic terms - can a poor person date a rich person.

> Interesting, eh?

My friend added, what about people who are mentally disadvantaged - are they able to have relationships with people who are not? And then, where is the line? 

We are all disadvantaged on at least some of the spectrums that are important to us, so what does this mean in terms of the relationships we have? And, then, as I mentioned to someone recently, we live in a world where we are filtering and getting curated content that reinforces our group identity and lets us choose exactly what we want, but... *don't opposites attract?* Having things in common is likely necessary in some respects, but how many and how closely need it match and when is it a weakness for the relationship and our experience, rather than a strength? After all, if we are all looking to learn more and get wider experience, we are limiting ourselves by spending all of our time with people who know what we know and do what we do.

And this creates a massive problem in the society we have created, because none of us are singular in trait and we are ultimately infinitely divisible across anything that we might find important to us and all spread across spectrums - none of us are the same, even if we are similar and, we all have power of others, and they over us.

> Easier to live the life of a hermit?

And how does this all relate to the conversation on art? Well, doesn't intention matter? What is a person's intention has to be taken into consideration. Is a beautiful sunset artistic? In  my opinion it is not, though it could inspire a person to intend to create something artistic. It doesn't really matter what the result is or whether it is high art or that of a child, if the intention is there to create something using their skills, it appears on the artistic spectrum somewhere. This means that AI generated art might be art at some level, but where it appears on the spectrum might be heavily skewed to the less artistic end.

And then, what about seeing inside the mind of a schizophrenic to expose their torment? Is there an intention to create there, or is it the output of an uncontrolled mind, with no directed thought behind it. As I mentioned to my friend, are they then the artist, or the brush with which an image is painted? There can be original thought there and it is created in the mind, but without the intention to create something specific, no matter how beautiful on terrible is produced, where does it appear on the scale of art? We cannot control the sunset which is not art, but if we cannot control our mind, is what it produces artistic? 

The fallback position is that art is "subjective", yet all of our experience is subjective, no matter what we are experiencing. Yes, there might be an objective truth involved, but we cannot experience it because we are filtering everything continually through the myriad filters with all of those sliders moving across the spectrums of what makes us who we are. We can argue about what art is, but even that is ultimately an unanswerable question, so what we have to consider for human experience is where the definitions of art are, what are the bounds? 

If art is about pushing boundaries, shouldn't we also start considering the boundaries that we are defining ourselves by and the way we are continually labelling things to create division? If we are looking to become more inclusive, shouldn't we be removing the labels, blurring the lines? If we want to spread power and reduce the stigma around disabilities, shouldn't we be mixing more, not reducing the opportunity to mix by defining more rules as to who is allowed to interact with who? Doesn't the push cultural appropriation fall down when looking at the spectrums? Especially in terms of art.

Rather than best intentions, we seem to continually drive worst intentions and as such, people are punished for exploring others, and improving themselves. We become more siloed, less trusting, more exclusive, less creative and have access to an increasingly limited pool of opportunity. If we are looking to increase opportunity, we should be taking barriers to do so down, not putting more up by adding more lines on the map. 

But, this isn't easy to do, because inevitably, there are going to be arguments and regardless of best intentions, mistakes will happen. And, in a world where even slight mistakes are punished without thought to intention or nuance, it is controlling and restrictive, making people not even want to try to be creative, lest they offend someone and get cancelled. 

In order to accept difference in others, we first have to come to terms that they might not be that different after all, as we share so many traits with others, albeit at different points on the spectrum - but *still on the spectrum.* We keep adding layers of complexity and hurdles to jump over in order to interact with each other, rather than taking away the invisible barriers to interact freely. We shackle ourselves to and call it cultural awareness, and the results are increasingly poor, even if unintended. 

Perhaps this is why there is such a lowering of the bar of what constitutes art, because there are so many tiny defined barriers to push, that everything has become taboo. 

>All inclusive and uncreative.

Rules are made to be broken, but that doesn't mean more rules need to be created, just to have something to break. 

Taraz
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@bozz ·
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I think ultimately you need to be with someone who makes you a better person. If you are just basically with someone who is the same as you, what fun is that.  Actually, I had that before my current relationship.  It was more like being with a buddy that it was being with a significant other.  It wasn't healthy.
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@tarazkp ·
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>I think ultimately you need to be with someone who makes you a better person. 

I completely agree. If it doesn't challenge you, it doesn't change you - and we all want to be better, don't we? I don't understand why so many people want an easy life in all they do. 
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@bozz ·
Yeah, it baffles the mind all of the untapped potential.  
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@dbooster ·
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You ask "Easier to live the life of a hermit?"

Well... isn't that where our global society is headed? In Japan, for instance, marriage is down more and more every year. A few years ago single person houses being built surpassed homes built for couples. As we become more and more unable to compromise and need to accept our way in everything, relationships will become less common. Luckily AI will be there to save us from the life of a hermit! \<\/s\>

Have you ever seen the Joaquin Phoenix movie *Her*? 
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@evileddy ·
I am looking forward to an AI companion that can explore the universe with me.
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@tarazkp ·
>isn't that where our global society is headed?

I see it as so. A lot of people keep arguing it is better, because then they don't have to deal with the heartache of breaking up with someone. It is insanity...


>Have you ever seen the Joaquin Phoenix movie Her?

Not yet. I keep getting told to watch it though!
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@devpress ·
I guess sometimes it feels to live good life like some spiritualist. But in that case we have to assume that the neighborhood , country and people around are supporting that ecosystem. Nobody can become the spiritual in taliban infested land or some middle east. That's just survival over there. I think it's more or less calculation comes down to choices of survival. More choices means safer place you are in. Less choices means your survival is kind of under stress.
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@ducecrypto ·
I love trying new things and making new connections... but problem has been that I always seem to get bored doing the same thing to often and need to make things fresh to stay interested. It has been a problem with my relationships and a problem with my job/career interests. Maybe it is because I haven't found something I'm singularly passionate for, but I really think it is because I need the variety and surprise factor in my life to keep things interesting.

One thing I love about art is that people are constantly evolving how art is made and seen and conceptualized. I feel quite spoiled living in a major metro city like New York with literally dozens of premier museums, galleries and art collections to constantly view and discuss with my closest people. It is something I do on a near monthly basis is seek out a new collection or exhibit. And then not just interacting with the art myself, but then discussing it with my friends and hearing about how the art affected them differently than myself do to our differences... truly enlightening and a bright spot on my monthly calendar.
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@fieryfootprints ·
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well fuck. It seems that AI is smart enough to defend itself. I wrote ,,AI is trash'' and it responded with:

>AI can certainly be criticized in some areas, but it should not be dismissed as trash. AI has the potential to drastically improve many industries and projects, particularly in terms of efficient automation and analytics. With further development, AI can be used to create new opportunities and lead us into a more advanced technological future.
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@tarazkp ·
Is it? Or is it just regurgitating the words of others? It is only as smart as what it has available to use. 
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@por500bolos ·
> Is it? Or is it just regurgitating the words of others?

# *¿Doesn't everyone do the same?*
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@joanstewart ·
For a long as humans have ability to think for themselves they should exercise this right, overcoming hurdles define life to the best of ones abilities. 

People will never be on an equal footing we all have flaws.

Becoming reliant on AI enabling us to cross some hurdles, I hope we never rely on this too much, letting go of You, imagine all being the same? No thanks....

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@latinowinner ·
AI is the hyped of 2023 as it was NFT in 2022 and DeFi in 2021
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@tarazkp ·
ok.
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@mattclarke ·
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An overweight, unattractive but powerful movie producer "interviews" a beautiful young thing for a role, in his hotel room. 
The power imbalance makes it predatory on his part, but the attractiveness imbalance doesn't make it predatory on hers? 
He might ruin her reputation and afternoon. She might ruin his movie. 
If there's no coercion (she's free to leave, he's free to hire somebody else), who's exploiting who?
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@tarazkp ·
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This is the exact argument I brought up with my wife last night. There are always power imbalances, so why would we only focus on one of the power spectrums, instead of including them all? If two adults consent, aren't they consenting adults? Isn't that the law? 
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@mattclarke ·
Defending the vulnerable in theory is often just infantilising them in practice.
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@mikezillo ·
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Inclusion, something I am cultivating since 14 years, when I started playing wheelchair basketball.

There is inclusion and then there is integration. 

Inclusion is a way to include people in an ecosystem, finding a place/spot for them.
Integration is a way to integrate people in an ecosystem, and beyond finding a place/spot, they also have a role according to their possibilities. 

Integration becomes then a magic thing, since integrated people will not feel as "guests" of another ecosystem but they will active part of it. And there it comes great chances for them to grow, evolve, interact, know people and know themselves. 

Here is the article on my start-up into wheelchair basketball. If you feel to give a read, I would love to get your feedback
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@tarazkp ·
I would add that integration is a two way street. It shouldn't be expected and it needs to be worked for. I don't expect people to change to English to include me in conversations because I don't speak Finnish, but they do so because they want me in the conversations because of the relationships we have built together. It is in their best interest too. 
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@p1k4ppa10 ·
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Maybe it's easier to live the life of a hermit, but I don't think it's the best.
Sometimes I know how to be lonely and I love solitude, I often say jokingly that I should have been a hermit but it's a big lie.

I love being with people who make me better and help me grow, or challenge me to see the best in me.
Yes everything can be subjective but I think this is the beauty of it, I wrote it just today in my post, many different subjectivities give the possibility of many exchanges, different visions and facets and therefore improvement and growth. Learning to see from different points of view is wealth in my opinion... then if everything were the same for everyone it would also be quite boring, right?😉
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@tarazkp ·
>Maybe it's easier to live the life of a hermit, but I don't think it's the best.

Me either. I don't think it is easy to deny human needs also. 

>many different subjectivities give the possibility of many exchanges, different visions and facets and therefore improvement and growth. 

And this is what scares people. What if we don't agree? Perhaps people need some  conflict training - some argumentative skills. In math for example, they argue the equation, not all the other unnecessary information that surrounds it. 
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@p1k4ppa10 ·
Yes, I agree that disagreeing is frightening... excuse me pun eh eh!

But I think it scares those who are more superficial, having different ideas doesn't necessarily mean conflict; I believe that in life it is necessary to be flexible, sometimes it is right to remain in one's positions, many times one can meet a means and others totally change one's mind... they say that only fools never change their mind and in my opinion it is a great truth .
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@por500bolos ·
>After all, if we are all looking to learn more and get wider experience, we are limiting ourselves by spending all of our time with people who know what we know and do what we do.

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> The fallback position is that art is "subjective", yet all of our experience is subjective, no matter what we are experiencing. Yes, there might be an objective truth involved, but we cannot experience it because we are filtering everything continually through the myriad filters with all of those sliders moving across the spectrums of what makes us who we are.

![RhinoSight.jpg](https://images.hive.blog/DQmYd9N1FPCkReziintUNzvkqreALwqnyjxU1UQtbNutmgW/RhinoSight.jpg)

> We keep adding layers of complexity and hurdles to jump over in order to interact with each other, rather than taking away the invisible barriers to interact freely.

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> Rather than best intentions, we seem to continually drive worst intentions and as such, people are punished for exploring others, and improving themselves. We become more siloed, less trusting, more exclusive, less creative and have access to an increasingly limited pool of opportunity.

![The_Dirty_Dozen.jpg](https://images.hive.blog/DQmaYsRUMPWKMguiVscUoCCwQRNSVCtGjLVqx1shLHUNaka/The_Dirty_Dozen.jpg)
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@skiptvads ·
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I believe that as us humans have the tendency to digitalize everything from mail, audio, video, text and now action with AI taking actions based on someone's command, in the future humans may even digitalize feelings and conscience, as you mention art is subjective, back in the day when artist started to create music out of a computer probably many though they were not artist or musicians but the intention was behind the process of creating the music using a computer, may be eventually the same thing will happen with art, by using a model the artist describe the scenario with details and specific ideas and let the model design, but I also think that the line between physical painting on a canvas  and AI art is very thick and one cant be compare to another same as you cant compare a symphony concert live to one created out of a computer in that case the experience is what matters, probably I focus too much my answer around AI
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@tarazkp ·
>but I also think that the line between physical painting on a canvas and AI art is very thick and one cant be compare to another 

And this is the thing - at least for now, they are on the same spectrum, but nowhere near each other. It can be called art in the same way that I can be called an athlete - I have a body and can move it, but not very well! :D
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@videoaddiction ·
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Would AI feel something or put something from itself while generating an art? No, therefore I wouldn't call it an art.
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@tarazkp ·
I agree. It isn't just the journey, it is also the awareness of the journey - the feeling of living. 
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@zekepickleman ·
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As far as AI goes, I think it is a weapon that can be used for good or ill. Depends upon the weirder and there is a bit of yin and Yang in that one as well. 

Recently, my wisdom (mistakes leading to enlightenment) has lead me to ponder how every silver lining is part of a cloud. Too much of a good thing becomes the opposite. A good example is living as a hermit for simplicity. That simplicity and convenience can lead to a lack of purpose, falling out of good habits associate with interacting with the world, and can create larger problems compounded by isolation and shutting out people who may be a part of the solution. 

Inclusion should be a default attitude and racism is violently fading into obsolescence with every day. Inclusion and diversity is the way to go and creates a more natural balance. 
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@tarazkp ·
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>As far as AI goes, I think it is a weapon that can be used for good or ill. 

Yep - it does depend. However at some point, it is clever enough to not require a wielder, but will be able to still use its programming - created by people who might not have considered all the ways it will affect into the future. 

>Too much of a good thing becomes the opposite. 

How come this is never learned - it is an old lesson, yet we keep demanding more of what makes us less happy.  

>Inclusion and diversity is the way to go and creates a more natural balance.

The more I think about this, the terms are contradictory in today's environment. We keep dividing ourselves along any differentiation we can to become exclusive, then demand to be included by people we have vehemently sectioned ourselves from. As much as I think we should be accepting, the way we are going about it is not going to lead where people think it will. It becomes a system where the narcissism of small differences dictates behavior and gets increasingly violent on ever smaller variations.    
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@zekepickleman ·
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Great food for thought.  

As far as it being an age old lesson, wisdom is developed by making mistakes and learning the hard way.  Perhaps we need ot feel the consequences of more things making us less happy to actually learn it for ourselves.

Much of the division of the common people is done by those looking to control and milk the common people.  Glorifying political, racial and religious radical stances (with the guise of uniting you with people of the same mind) keeps us fighting with eachother and our attention off the manipulators that control the media and our finances.  

It is this system propagating the exclusivity and divisiveness and killing inclusion to further its agenda.  How can we change our environment and those of our neighbours and upend parts of this predatory system if those neighbours are our enemy?

Inclusiveness leads to discovery, cooperation, and our differences will be the balance.  Utopian for sure but, what if?  

An aside but I have been finding taking the What If? approach very empowering lately.
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