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The value of questioning value
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My colleague and I spent a few minutes discussing investing a ta general level and the question came up about the disconnection between stock price and the company operations. He has been investigating various aspects over the last few months with renewed enthusiasm, ever since he bought some Bitcoin, something that I have seen before. 

![OI000713 1.jpg](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/tarazkp/MWiWLfys-OI000713201.jpg)

One of the benefits of investing into crypto or even building an interest to potentially invest into crypto is that it brings up the question of what is valuable, something most people seem to have an intuitive understanding of, yet not when it comes to financial considerations that lay outside of the everyday of their lives. For example, the entire global stock market value is around 70 trillion dollars worth - which is pretty enormous - but the [derivatives market](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/derivative.asp) is at least 10x that size and could be closer to 20x that size - making it around 1.2 *quadrillion* dollars worth. It is in derivatives where most of the money of the world lays - *by a long margin.*

However, what my colleague is discovering is how fickle the stock market is and while he was investigating one particular stock *on Twitter* he started to question the value. The thing is that investing has become far more mainstream over the last decade or two, largely thanks to technology, but this also means that people who aren't necessarily investors are getting involved. This is great - but when many of these people are *investing through Twitter* the risk of influence through hype is enormous, and that can be driven by nothing at all - you know, FOMO and FUD. 

It is all speculative in the markets and when most of the money is sitting in derivatives that track some kind of stock pricing, there is a *very strong* incentive and potential for market manipulation with nothing more than a tweet. It doesn't have to come from the CEO or an insider, it doesn't have to be real, it just has to trend - and when people are so willing to share, consumption driven and emotionally invested, this can heavily affect perception heavily. 

For example, the stock he was "investigating" had some negative press come out that drove the price down heavily, but a couple days later it might be that the press was baseless. Who benefits?

Outside of the stock investment scope of value however, my friend is starting to look at the value of much of his life, including the time he spends and the things he buys. I think that this is a positive part of getting into investing as it starts to affect the lens through which we see the world and influence our own behaviors. Perhaps in some ways, it starts to remove the veils and shines some light onto things that actually affect us. 

We all make decisions daily and these are influenced by what we know and believe, as well as factors that might be invisible to us - both external and internal. What this means is that if we had a different understanding in some way, we would make different decisions. *Knowledge is power* because having knowledge gives us the potential to use it in some way - Knowledge is a manipulator.

And I think that once we start to burrow down into investing, we start to question the core of value and that will inevitably lead to exploring what is valuable to us as individuals - not just as part of the consumptive group. I believe that if everyone did this, we would affect the way we consume heavily and in time, demand would shift and therefore, so what would be considered valuable. I see the future of crypto value being driven largely by people discovering that ownership of resources have value, even if those resources are tracking value - kind of like derivatives. 

Considering how much of the worlds wealth is in derivatives, I wonder how many people actually have any direct investments in them. Land is real - the value of all real estate in the world is only 1/5th the size of the derivatives market. By the way, most derivatives are traded over-the-counter (OTC) between private entities in an unregulated manner. Isn't there something insane about the majority of the world's worth being traded in an unregulated environment?

But this is the thing - most of the 7 billion people on earth have no idea where monetary value lays and what is considered "a lot" in terms of money. All of the worlds debt is estimated to be around 200 trillion - 1/6th the size of the derivative market. Shouldn't questions be raised as to how all of this works as obviously, it is affecting us, whether we understand it or not - I do not understand it. 

Perhaps once we start picking away at the concepts and realities of what holds value - we start to pull at threads that unwind the fabric of the economy. A fabric full of holes by design. 

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@bigtom13 ·
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The derivatives market is just insane when you really look at it.  The value of the worlds real estate is actually much eclipsed by the derivatives sold on it.  What's wrong with that picture?

We are starting to see things go horribly sideways in Miami.  Insurance companies are starting to refuse to insure waterfront property.  Means it can't be sold, or at least not sold at anywhere near the market.  Will they end up like New Orleans with a system of dikes and pumps?  Who knows?  But rumor and innuendo is starting to drive that market which means it's really fragile.

Ownership is almost a weird concept today.  You don't even own your mortgage let alone your property.  That's a pretty scary situation.  Is crypto the ultimate hedge for individuals?  I think there's a large possibility.

The only market I have really drilled into (30 years ago) was Chicago Board of Trade commodities.  I was growing a commodity and wanted to share the risk.  I'm not certain that I ever actually did that all these years later.

 
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@misterengagement ·
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@tarazkp ·
The imaginary is far more valuable than reality. 

I think that there are a couple things in favor of crypto at the moment, one being the conversation of getting money securely to where it needs to go. Something that the US has been struggling with in the current crises. Put everyone on a blockchain with tokens and that payment becomes very easy  - that teaches people how to use tokenized blockchains. Might be some way off for mass adoption, but the use case potential that would spiral from there is enormous.

I do think that people will increasingly start hedging with crypto - some companies are already doing it. I heard of one in the states that converted 250M into BTC a few weeks ago - that isn't done on an exchange, that is OTC too - where most of the BTC trades are already done. 

I don't understand all of these financial instruments - which is the point of them I guess.
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@bigtom13 ·
Yep.  Financial instruments are part of the mushroom theory.  Keep them in the dark and feed them bullshit.

I first heard of BTC quite a few years ago.  I had a couple of friends that were transporting pre-Columbian artifacts out of South America for fun and profit.  The government had put so much emphasis on stopping the cocaine trade that they let up on the antiquities trade for a couple of years.

My friend called BTC 'smuggler money'.  Put USD in without any viable transaction and take it out as needed locally.  So they never crossed any borders with cash.  I wonder if they ended up with any sub $100 BTC?  I'd guess yes.
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@tarazkp ·
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@cranium ·
Oh yes my friend, if I knew what value is ... Perhaps this value is life, but how to measure it?
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@nancybriti ·
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We have already talked about how the media can manipulate and create information, make trends and drag innocents into public ridicule. All these disadvantages are clear when the one who transmits them is an ignoramus and the one who consumes them, too. Now everybody talks about cryptomonies as if they were experts. They repeat, like parrots, what the others are doing, which is more or less "productive". They handle formulas like some network gurus. In Venezuela, for example, some websites are the ones that give the value of the price of the dollar, daily, creating tendencies and chaos. Sometimes I feel that some economic information is like a snowball that, as it runs, gets bigger.  Greetings, @tarazkp
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@tarazkp ·
The interesting thing about internet gurus is that one never knows i they have skin in the game - or how much. Yet, people believe anything - especially if it feeds their greed.
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@papilloncharity ·
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So everyone is eating Lollipop ice creams and they laugh at me as I went and bought an Eskimo Pie. These are some brand names of ice creams here. Just the way that life is and if they can cheat with hyped up food ingredients, what's it to bamboozle people with finances.

First lesson, invent a financial language that the commoners cannot understand. Second lesson, invent easy sounding profits. Third lesson, design easy sounding reasons for profit failures.
 
Greed and brainwashing in a simple nutshell that even our squirrels will not touch lol.
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@tarazkp ·
I haven't had an Eskimo Pie in years!!!

>First lesson, invent a financial language that the commoners cannot understand. Second lesson, invent easy sounding profits. Third lesson, design easy sounding reasons for profit failures.

They learned from lawyers, then added a magnitude or two for good measure.
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@papilloncharity ·
Hahaha, my firs love; Eskimo Pie lol.

I and maybe you too have had some dealings with lawyers over the years my friend, so the less said about that profession the better.
Hear this:
In 1996 a guy liked my house that we put up for sale without me knowing about it. It was a big house on a double stand and I gave the house to my ex wife as she would take the money for the house.
Years later, in fact 2015 a credit burau called me to ask for an outstanding amount on the house.
I didn't know what they were talking about and contacted my ex wife to ask her what was going on?
She didn't know either and never received any money for the house.

Then I contacted the bank that did the deal with us and to my surprise the house was put on auction and it was sold below market value for a pittance!
In the meantime, the debt collecting agency had bought the bank's debt debtor's books and they were hounding everyone in the books for collections.

I asked the bank for the original purchasing contract and after a search they said that they could not find it ?
Neither my ex nor I were contacted to say that the house was placed on auction, so no one had a case against us.
Can you believe that the debt collection agency that had since been listed as spammers still contact me every week now. They have sent me countless 48 hour foreclosure and blacklisting messages over the years and I continue to laugh at them.

So yeah, I know all about lawyers lol.
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@preparedwombat ·
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The scale of derivatives is insane but the really crazy part of it is that much of it is derivatives *of derivatives*. Like futures are a derivative and options are a derivative of them. And it’s possible to place a bet on the price movement of options, effectively a derivative of a derivative of a derivative.

The whole system is awash in counterparty risk. In musical chairs, there’s **one** less chair than the number of people playing when the music stops. But with derivatives, when the music stops there will be only one chair.
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@tarazkp ·
It is something I am going to have to look into further as it is so massively unintuitive for me that I feel I must. This system is unsustainable and inject all the other pressures - it is going to break hard.
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@rmsadkri ·
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> He has been investigating various aspects over the last few months with renewed enthusiasm, ever since he bought some Bitcoin, something that I have seen before.

This is real. I have been active with stocks for quite some time now. But, I realized my first crypto purchases has renewed my interests in articles and analysis.

The downside with all this is I don't know how should I approach my investment. I don't why but I cannot visualize the investments in crypto as a long term investment. Each time I see a price bump, the first thing that comes to my mind is to sell and take profits. With stocks, I am okay to receive passive income and never think of selling them.

May be it is still fresh and I don't know how to behave with crypto purchases but i fell extra emotional rush when it comes to BTC or ETH. I should definitely calm down and think them as my long term investment. I wonder when that will happen. You are in this space for much longer. Do you have that urge? If yes, how do you control?

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@tarazkp ·
> With stocks, I am okay to receive passive income and never think of selling them.

I think this is going to get more common - Hive for example plays off price increase and sell, against the ability to use it to earn - the balance might not be right, but it is a start. 

>I should definitely calm down and think them as my long term investment. I wonder when that will happen. You are in this space for much longer. Do you have that urge? 

I seem to have conditioned myself as mostly a holder - Selling BTC, ETH, Hive is emotional - so I don't ;D
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@santigs ·
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I was day trading the futures markets a few years ago and I just learned you just focus on the market and forget about value and news. Everyone out there is trying to influence you whether they do it with an interest or not. When trading you just have to forget about real value, what counts is the value others give to your assets and the future value they will have if you are holding.

The problem with markets is they are completely accessible for too many people knowing nothing at all and just reading twits. Crypto makes it even easier as you don't need a broker nor a clearinghouse.

Crypto is great in the sense that it brings freedom but FOMO will hurt many people as the masses jump into the wagon.
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@tarazkp ·
>When trading you just have to forget about real value, what counts is the value others give to your assets and the future value they will have if you are holding.

Don't you find this a bit crazy?

>Crypto is great in the sense that it brings freedom but FOMO will hurt many people as the masses jump into the wagon.

I think there will be enough big case losses to make people scared, with enough benefit to make people try - most will go small and test the waters. Overall, despite the early pain, it will be better for people to learn.
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@santigs ·
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It is crazy but it is the way it is. The same applies to every market. Think about the cost of a concert ticket or a sports game and the price some people pay whenever all tickets are sold. It has nothing to do with "real" value. What may seem real value for one person is different for another, there is no real absolute value, it is completely subjective.
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