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To Live, To Suffer
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I was going to share an image of the view from where I was sitting before my client session, but it wasn't very pretty. I am in a cafΓ© that overlooks a carpark for a little mall, and I have to say, it isn't exactly inspiring. So, I will share a picture I took yesterday from the coffee area at the office, of two textured paintings. It might not be high art, but it suits the space and I think that aesthetics matter - *looks matter.*

![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/tarazkp/243Wei9XjK3UHK9CZhjcBefnN2gRNWpeNKc5DXuXibNBn557Wm38roXePX4eMT3ujKMzD.png)

Yesterday, I was talking with a colleague about some pretty philosophical topics about living in the now, where I believe that it is actually impossible to truly accomplish, because the now has no movement, therefore, there is no awareness of it. We can be "now adjacent", and perhaps be aware of passing through the now due to a gap in our consciousness, like being under general anesthetic, but we can't actually experience it directly. 

>As said, it was a deeper conversation.

I can get into it at some point later perhaps, but one interesting point in the conversation was that this person felt like doing something only for gain, was some kind of base feeling. However, I think that humans probably* always do what they do for gain of some kind. It might not be monetary of course, but even getting a good feeling is a gain - as is avoiding a negative feeling, like the people who drop a coin in a donation can, so they can avoid the guilt of not doing so.

>But, why is getting something in return seen so negatively?

I compared his actions in a certain regard to that of a business person looking to maximize financial profits, which I knew would be taken negatively. However, instead of financial profits, we might be looking to maximize wellbeing, or personal growth, or the feeling that what we do matters. We all work on an incentive of some kind, so why is it that some are considered different, just because the target of desire is different?

Sure, there are "better and worse" actions in the greater sense of improvement of society and community, but at the individual level, this might not matter as much. If one person gets the greatest sense of wellbeing from curing cancer, and another gets the greatest sense from banging their head against a wall, to the experience of the individual, the result is the same, right? 

But, it is because of this individual indifference to the pathway to contentment, that I feel as humans, we should probably be looking to tie our purpose and meaning to the outcomes of others. This might not bring us the greatest satisfaction personally, but is our own contentment the meaning of life? 

It makes me question, that if someone can be truly content with themselves, whilst surrounded by the suffering of others, is that a good life? How much suffering of others would you trade for your own happiness? "Happiness" is a terrible descriptor for a good life, but I have found that few people really agree on a term that describes their personal satisfaction, wellbeing or contentment, so it will have to do for this purpose.

>As long as you are happy, do as you please?

Does that hold up? Not really, because once we start to think about it even at the surface level, we don't want people to be happy if they for instance, enjoy inflicting pain on others. We then put in caveats like, *as long as you aren't harming others,* but does that mean harming others directly, but it is okay to do so indirectly? Is it okay to pollute the river and negatively affect those downstream? 

> Seems untenable. 

Human life is complex, as is our individual experience of it. There are so many competing forces, so much conditioning, so many hypocrisies, and these are multiplied across billions of people globally. It is impossible to fully balance ourselves, yet this doesn't mean we shouldn't try. but, if our attempt to be "at peace" with ourselves, doesn't factor in the peace of others, in a society that is interconnected and we rely on for all kinds of support, pretty soon, we will be unbalanced again. Out of sorts, unaligned, suffering. 

We can minimize suffering, but can there be a world of no suffering at all?

>What would that look like?

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@artgirl · (edited)
Well you know, suffering brings about many things. It makes people better emotionally, mentally and even spiritually. Without it we'd just be meh. The good news is [we don't need to waste it](https://ecency.com/hive-126152/@artgirl/oh-the-pain-the-agony-dont-waste-it?referral=artgirl).  Inflicting pain on others though, that's something else entirely. Most likely not morally sound.
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@bozz ·
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I think because we are incapable of not judging other people or situations that there will always be some form of suffering.  We just don't seem to be wired that way.  Add on top of it the recent belief that we are constantly being victimized and it's just a hot mess.
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@tarazkp ·
The victimization seems to be the capitalization of suffering, doesn't it? Monetizing the negative, because it is easier than monetizing the positive. 
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@bozz ·
It sure seems like it and easy is what this world is all about these days!
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@ducecrypto ·
> but even getting a good feeling is a gain.

That is the thrill and enjoyment of competition for me. It is why I continue to spend $$ on Splinterlands assets, not so much for value preservation, but so that I can compete and win at the highest level. This feeds my compulsion for strategic competition and the thrill of victory!

> How much suffering of others would you trade for your own happiness?

Based on businesses and shareholder value these days, it seems like it is very little for the people squeezing every last ounce of profits at the cost of harming those around them. Sad state of affairs!
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@heruvim1978 ·
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Even when we want to be happy, we still have that as a motivation. Yet, there is a case, random acts of kindness, when you just help people because you can. No strings attached. Almost. I must to admit, there is a kind of rush, a good feeling that can get you addicted to it when you do it.
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@tarazkp ·
There are always strings of some kind. Perhaps the only selfless act, is the one performed that leads to an outcome that is never known. 
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@heruvim1978 ·
Even when we want to be happy, we still have that as a motivation. Yet, there is a case, random acts of kindness, when you just help people because you can. No strings attached. Almost. I must to admit, there is a kind of rush, a good feeling that can get you addicted to it when you do it.
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@janitzearratia ·
This topic is very delicate Mr. Taraz and how much confusion there is about it, besides people addicted to being confused, to the chaos that confusion generates and that's why they are looking for you. 

We are addicted to infringing and receiving harm, hence the suffering with life that we often carry blindly.
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@outwars ·
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I think in a perfect world, everyone would be looking out for the greater good, and the wellbeing of others. Unfortunately, it takes only one person to be greedy or selfish to start a cascading effect of others following suit. 
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@tarazkp ·
Have you seen the movie "The invention of lying"? It is an interesting concept :)
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@outwars ·
I haven't, but I checked the plot, and it does seem interesting. Thanks.
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@rafzat ·
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I don’t think there is anyone on earth who does not want to be happy but unfortunately, there are some people who cause pain for others or let me say that suffering is not something that can disappear from the lives of humans as a whole 
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@tarazkp ·
We all cause pain to others, even if it is unintentional, or indirect. However, there are people who also cause intentional pain to others also. 
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@sundas.manzoor ·
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Suffering can never be completely vanished from our life. We can only minimze it. As far as the concerned of doing something, we have a common interest behind it. When we do something, we think of it outcomes. That's the Human Nature.
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@tarazkp ·
Whether we think of the outcomes or not, there are outcomes and we benefit from them, or are harmed. We learn that one thing leads to another, so every intentional action, is made for a reason. 
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@sundas.manzoor ·
Yup! You are quie right.
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@urrirru ·
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>We can minimize suffering, but can there be a world of no suffering at all?

Worlds without physical suffering exist. But I'm not sure if there are worlds without spiritual suffering.
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@tarazkp ·
Is physical suffering present without psychological suffering? Is spiritual suffering separate from the physical?
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@urrirru ·
Spiritual suffering often affects the human body. But in the future (very distant) they may be separated from the physical.
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@videoaddiction ·
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I don't think that it is easy to do this as we have become more and more egoist as years pass by, perhaps they force us to be so.
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@tarazkp ·
I feel it is conditioned. We are encouraged to be individualistic, care only about ourselves - then wonder why society is failing. 
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@vincentnijman ·
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> We can minimize suffering, but can there be a world of no suffering at all?

Probably not. I can't help but feel that the world is based on contrast and balance, like nature.


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@tarazkp ·
I think so too. Progression and evolution is the process of death and birth, and when there is death, there will inevitably be pain. But, without that pain, and perhaps without that suffering, we won't look to improve further.
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