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Two Investments, One Platform by tarazkp

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· @tarazkp ·
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Two Investments, One Platform
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In my last post, I was looking at some [hypothetical scenarios regarding inflation](https://peakd.com/hive-167922/@tarazkp/make-no-mistake-this-is-a-revolution) and how unless we are invested and have significant supplementary income streams, we are probably going to suffer over time and increasingly have to limit our lifestyle. However, if we do have enough alternative revenues coming in, we can not only beat the inflation rate, but also keep investing to ensure we can increasingly build our investment. It isn't always easy and it isn't without risk and sacrifice, but I believe that in the longrun, we would be better off building alternate income streams that do not rely on us getting a raise. 

So what can we do? 


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Well, this is a question that we each have to consider for ourselves as it is only us that knows our situation and also, we are the ones that have to take responsibility for our actions and live with the consequences. But pretty much, we are going to have to invest *something* in order to close the income gaps if we want to just *maintain our current lifestyle.*

Let's start here:

A secondary job is a very good and viable option and if choosing well, it can be something that is easy, flexible and can provide enough income to for example, save a bit or cover investments. The challenge is that if already working a job, working another isn't very attractive and if you are already a professional, doing something like "flipping burgers" is a knock to the ego. 

I have been told *many a time* that I am wasting my time writing here for peanuts and I would be better off working the same hours in the fast-food industry. This was absolutely true for much of my time here and having worked several jobs in the industry, getting and doing work wouldn't have been a problem. What would have been a problem is the times I work, but more importantly, the lack of skills I would get (I am experienced at this already) and *most importantly,* the lack of quality information.


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[source](https://www.indeed.com/cmp/McDonald's/salaries)

Fantastic. A base job, which is essentially making cheeseburgers in the kitchen, pays $9.68 per hour. This is not too bad depending on your life position, but if you consider that if you were to work 40 hours a week for 52 weeks, the before tax salary is $20,100 for the year and remember, this is a *second job,* so it is more likely that you will work 10 hours a week, taking 5,000 a year.

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Can we do better?

In the [previous post,](https://peakd.com/hive-167922/@tarazkp/make-no-mistake-this-is-a-revolution) there was information regarding the average Australian has 15,000 dollars in their savings and investments. Assuming that it was all in investments, and could earn 10% for 1500 dollars a year, it wouldn't be enough to cover the cost of inflation on an average salary, meaning that it would that it would still be a bleed into lifestyle degradation. Not only that, this was the *average,* not the mean. About 50% of Australians have less than 10K in the bank and 20% have less than 1000. There is little hope for them to be anything other than heavily affected with little opportunity to break the cycle... or is there?

*Risk and reward, right?*

What does Hive offer?

Let's use 10K as our baseline investment, but essentially, this is going to scale depending on how much one puts in, so it is fine - it is just easier for me to calculate. So @Azircon added a hypothetical of someone putting 10K into Hive, with 5K going to Splinterlands (he is very bullish), so let's have a look at that. 

>Now add $10K and open a hive account. Blog. Put $5K in Splinterlands, play-earn-stake, and have fun. :)
@azircon

### Firstly Hive  

5K into Hive buys 6666 tokens today. Lets catch a dip and make it 7,000. Curation will earn a nice steady 10% a year, so on that 5000 dollars with all things remaining equal, it would generate 700 HIVE or about 500 dollars worth. Of course, prices can go up and down in this, but a person can post on Hive too and have some fun with various social activities, so possibly, a few more hundred to a *several thousand* could be added on top through posting rewards, depending on how much time, effort and *skill* a person inputs. 

However, if you are the kind of person who has 10K to invest into Hive experience, there ae already two content topics that you are able to *potentially* earn on - investing and Splinterlands. The first is going to sit on Hive and will also qualify for LEO content, depending on how you present it. The second will post to Hive and potentialy also be suitable for the SplinterTalk community and 1up. This means that there would be at least 4 different tokens of varying values available, and all you are doing is spending some time talking about your investments and gaming experiences, two things that will *help you* improve. While rewards are not guaranteed, a little bit of effort in and they are very likely. This could be in the hundreds or thousands in a year, especially if people get to know your personality and see your dedication to the community. 

Not only this, this amount attracts airdrops like the upcoming @threespeak LARYNX token and, can be very volatile on the markets. This means that what it earns could be sold at the highs and used or rolled back in at the lower points to enhance the return further. This is what I have done. 

### Next, Splinterlands

So, here we have the other half we are going to drop into Splinterlands. Hmmm, what are we going to do with this? There are many options and I don't know them all, but I will cover a couple that I can. Let's use the whole 5000 for each first. 

##### SPS Yield

Buy SPS on the market and stake it in the pool. This is volatile and is going to be affected by price of SPS and other stake etc, just like any DeFi pool.

$5000 = 7250 SPS

Staked, that will get a current yield of 60% (paid in SPS which fluctuates), so it would attract 4350 SPS a year, which is (surprise, surprise) 3000 dollars worth of SPS, with it paid daily - which is $8.20 a day. Not bad, but also volatile. However, it is good to note that for at least the next three weeks, that would also collect about 1.5 vouchers, which has a current price of 17 dollars (volatile) so that is an extra 24 dollars a day or, *some amount a day* for a bit.

However, compared to the 10% on the investment we were using as a baseline, it would have to drop a lot and stop returning a fair amount in order to stop being valuable. But not "that much" - For example, if SPS dropped 505 *overnight,* it would then be worth 2500 and the 60% yield would be 1500 - so we would have lost 500. Keep this in mind.

##### DEC Pooling

Staying with a similar them have our 5000 and split, that buys us 190,000 DEC that we could pair with 3333 HIVE and put it into the Diesel pools on TribalDex to earn SPS. this is 380,000 points. Today, that would have earned 50 SPS, so 35 dollars for the day. This is again going to fluctuate on the price of SPS and other factors, as well as the buy price on DEC which is also volatile, but in the impossible world that it was a daily return, the yield on that would be 12,775 dollars for the year. Oops! that is 250% on our investment.

But remember this requires holding DEC and HIVE, as well as the value of SPS and all of these things are going to move dynamically. 

##### Card purchase (a)

Buying Cards to play come in packs and let's say we are going to buy on the full release in a month or so, which means $4 a pack. This is very hard to predict what the values of the cards will be, so we will take the *safe* route and say that out of the 1250 packs we buy, our deck is going to be worth our initial investment. Out of that many packs though, we would be pretty unlucky to not pick up some decent cards along the way and they can inflate the price a lot, plus the cards are going to fluctuate in value too. I bought most of mine four months ago and have put in about 8-10 thousand - and my deck is worth about 55K at market price today. But, let's pretend that it is the 5K.

This depends on many things, but assuming there is a range of cards, there is some combinations of decent cards that are in demand, without *doing anything* other than a little management, currently it will earn about 20-30% on the rental market, with more toward the end of the season.

Fore reference, we are 5 days into the season, I have played for a few days and rented some cards to get into Gold I, and now I am renting everything out.

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5200 DEC is around 90 HIVE, so it is $67 in rental income a day. But, as @azircon was saying the other day, if there wasn't money to be made in playing, people wouldn't be renting - this is the way a marketplace works and for many people, they are able to earn on the rentals well, even though they don't own cards and, they do not have a high initial outlay, nor do they have to risk holding. As said, to get the 67 a day, I have 50K in cards. 

What this means though, is that without our *very conservative* estimate of our cards being worth the same as we paid for them, we would be able to earn about 8 (EOS rentals included and spread to average) dollars a day or, 2920 dollars on our initial investment. I suspect the cards would be closer to 7500 worth or more.  

##### Card purchase (b)

Of course, we can play these cards and depending on how we play, we can actually earn some decent rewards, do the daily quests and get lucky with valuable cards and more importantly, *these are ours. While the DEC, HIVE and SPS are fungible, each Splinterlands card is an NFT and as such, is scarce. The more rare a card is, the higher the value, and it also affects rental prices in various ways too, whether it be to have collection points to go up leagues or, because it is a useful card to play and win more to earn. 

So, this means that like the cards that I opened (I think I opened about 1000 packs all up), the actual price can be *much higher* for particular cards. But, because the way the game is engineered, pretty much all cards are useful somewhere. 

#### So, what to do?

Now, having said all of this, Splinterlands is still a volatile investment class, but it also has four years of track record, high usage and a lot of people interested in investing and playing in what is fast becoming a very large industry, the play2earn gaming industry. 

If we took a hybrid approach with our 5000 and spent 2000 on cards (500 packs and assuming they are worth what we paid), put 1000 into the SPS pool to yield and get vouchers and pooled 2000 with Hive and DEC - what we get using todays values?

2000 on cards will get us $3.20 a day in rent
1000 in SPS will yield $1.64 + 0.25 Voucher ~$4 = $5.64
2000 in the DEC:HIVE pool is 20 SPS = $14 

That is a total of $22,84 a day or, $8336 a year.

Add to this what we get in curation and post earnings on Hive and we are looking around 10,000+ dollars worth quite easily, which is 100%+ on what we started with. That beats the inflation rate and definitely the 1000 that the 10% investment would have got us, but, it also spreads our risk a little and, gives us assets that *you own.* From the Hive to the other tokens, your account and your cards - everything is yours. 

People like the security of banks, but that security comes at a price, and it isn't only a low ROI, it is also the inability to take risk. One of the most valuable things in participating on Hive for me is, hearing about opportunities that the mainstream media or a financial advisor does not know about, let alone would recommend, because it is not in their best interest to do so. They want to manage your funds and take a cut, not have you manage your funds and *cut them out.* 

Now, this still requires that 10K investment, but I know that if I didn't have it, I would be flipping those burgers for the extra and every pay day, it would be hitting a blockchain somewhere. I have used Hive as I am "Hive-positive", but there are so many opportunities out there for those who are willing to do some research, learn about what is going on and how they work, and then - take some risk. In many instances, the risk is no more than time and effort and then once that has been capitalized on, the capital can be used to invest further. 

I might have been around a while, done a lot of work and got luck, but my Hive and Splinterlands accounts are worth 12 years of *full-time burger flipping* as a second job, and if the end of the year is good, it might very well be worth a career of fast food that I never had to do. Plus, I have a ball in the process and don't smell like I work at McDonald's. It has taken me five years, but in five years from now, where will you be financially?

None of these posts are to convince you to buy or invest anything, but it has to be noted that no matter what level you come in at, there is possibility.


I am sure I have failed to mention 101 things here, so feel free to add more into the comments section please!


Taraz
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@abh12345 ·
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> They want to manage your funds and take a cut, not have you manage your funds and cut them out.

Yep, pretty much how my mate, now selling funds with BTC involved, has stated things.

> Plus, I have a ball in the process and don't smell like I work at McDonald's

Always have a ball or two nearby.

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The numbers are very variable, and I think splitting investments (unless you are uber SL bullish mr Azir) between these choices and more is best for a good nights sleep.

Relatively, some people have made a fecking killing from this blockchain this year, and that is nice to know :)
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@tarazkp ·
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>Always have a ball or two nearby.

Perhaps I should have worded that differently!

>Relatively, some people have made a fecking killing from this blockchain this year, and that is nice to know :)

It is amazing really and I wonder how many other blockchain projects have benefited from earnings from here going elsewhere.
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@abh12345 ·
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Hopefully not too many!  There has not been too many better investments than Splinterlands this year. 

I remember winning a bunch of PAL earlier in the year on [https://dublup.io/](dublup) betting against Splinterlands recaching 10 million marketcap.  I told the 'bookmaker' that February was a short month, but I don't think he's too fussed about the PAL lost at present :)
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@arcange ·
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Hey mate, sorry to jump in off-topic.
Do you mind reviewing and supporting the [Hive Authentication Services proposal](https://peakd.com/me/proposals/194)? That would be much appreciated.
Your feedback about the project is welcome too.
Thank you.
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@tarazkp ·
Will do :)
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@arcange ·
Thank you for your unfailing support, really appreciate it! πŸ‘<div class="pull-right"><a href="/@hive.engage">![](https://i.imgur.com/XsrNmcl.png)</a></div>
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@tarazkp ·
Done and supported. Looks like a great idea :)
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@arcange ·
Thank you. Much appreciated!
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@azircon · (edited)
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Sorry for the delay in replying. I took my team out for a drink after work. My tab was nearly $1000 but people were happy to be out and that’s priceless!

I always consider hive/Splinterlands as a VC which is successful. Your numbers are amazing Taraz and will outperform any conventional investment by a very large margin. I have done all kinds of investments in my life. Anything you can imagine I have likely traded it. I can tell you confidently that hive/Splinterlands will outperform any investment you have in any market in the world. Be in conventional or crypto. Especially because it has such a low floor. 

People who are not getting it are missing out. This is no investment advice but what kind of investment that you have had returned like this? Honestly people! Get a grip on yourself:)
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@tarazkp ·
>I took my team out for a drink after work. My tab was nearly $1000 but people were happy to be out and that’s priceless!

Big team, or big drinkers? :D


It has been quite a lucrative investment for me so far in terms of return, and I have enjoyed a lot of the discussion and thought around all of the different mechanics, especially the tokenomics side of things. Do you ever wonder how far it can scale?

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@azircon ·
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About 10 people.

Scale is a problem.

More centralization is needed for scaling but they hired a few good developers who are experts on scaling and very high volume gaming transactions.
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@behiver ·
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I think that Hive blockchain become so vast in investment opportunities that you can build up a portfolio solely from here. You can invest in Tribe tokens or games NFTs and on top of that, you have HIVE which provides you earnings from curation and content creation and HBD which is the stablecoin of this ecosystem and has a great 10% APY. This helps balance a portfolio and be able to stay on top even when bears come in town.

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@tarazkp ·
It is a bit of a "one-stop-shop" in many regards, and especially easy for the newer into crypto. There should be millions of people here. 
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@cryptoandcoffee ·
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Investment streams is something I have been working on and have 6 currently. The great thing is they were all paid for from Hive which is important even though they all aren't on Hive. I haven't touched the Diesel pools on Hive and left my trust in leofinance hoping at some point a Hive pool will come into play. I think $10 000 invested or 18 months of serious commitment can lead to life changing sums if thought through thoroughly. In 5 years from now everyone who has been doing this should be sorted for life or at least having decent monthly revenue. 

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@tarazkp ·
> I think $10 000 invested or 18 months of serious commitment can lead to life changing sums if thought through thoroughly.

I agree. If the timing is right especially. Back when I joined Hive (Steem) it was trading at around 6 cents. I didn't know what that really mean then though as I had no idea what I was doing with anything. However, near the start of this year, it was trading at 10 cents - 10K in would be 100K Hive and today, be worth 75K and giving access to a lot of other possibilities. 

> In 5 years from now everyone who has been doing this should be sorted for life or at least having decent monthly revenue.

Should but won't. Most will squander it as most tend to do. 
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@empress-eremmy ·
$0.35
Between Hive and Burger flipping? Seems like an obvious choice. However, there is certainly in flipping burgers so I understand why many won't take the 'unnecessary risk' with Hive or the crypto space generally.
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@tarazkp ·
Yes, there is certainty, but I think for those looking at additional income on top of their current work - the decision is easy. :)
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@forexbrokr ·
$0.36
This is a great follow on to your [push back from friends/family when you talk about crypto](https://leofinance.io/@tarazkp/don-t-tell-me-about-it) blog.

When you lay it out like this, Hive just seems like such a no brainer for normies.

Everyone has a savings account and a Facebook account.

Right now people are essentially paying to save (lol), while allowing Facebook to manipulate you and sell your data.

Doesn't it seem like such a no brainer to move your savings and social activity into Hive to earn those relatively low risk/low effort returns that are up to 100x better than what you're getting now?

With all the ways to easily transfer crypto to fiat and even spend crypto directly via traditional credit card networks, it's not like the excuse of 'you can't spend crypto' is even a thing anymore.

I guess we just keep doing what we're doing and wait for the penny to drop.

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@tarazkp ·
>When you lay it out like this, Hive just seems like such a no brainer for normies.

It is crazy that there aren't millions of people here already. I just don't get it - it is a no-brainer decision for sure, especially for the new and risk averse. 

> it's not like the excuse of 'you can't spend crypto' is even a thing anymore.


I still hear this often. Notice how there are no articles on how easy it is in the MSM?
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@ghua ·
$0.36
I've recently got my SPS transfer into Splinterlands stuck and dealing with support showed game's ugly face - I don't think they are in control there xD I am already waiting for 5 days to get my transfer "unstuck" while it should be done by a script. 
Putting tons of money into that game may not be the best idea IMHO because it works until it doesn't :P
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@tarazkp ·
I have only just heard of this being a thing sometimes - I have never had the issue and don't know others who have either. 5 days is a long time though. Perhaps they need a more dedicated support team. 
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@ghua ·
lot's of similar cases there, people with $1000 stuck etc, some of them asking for help for a week.

craziness.
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@lexansky ·
$0.28
Interesting post, I did my own tracking for Splinterlands lately and I was up by 200% since I started playing the game daily for the past 3 months. After reading your post i will be considering putting in DEC LP pool get more SPS. Thank you for the tips!! Here is an #oneup upvote!! ![image.png](https://images.hive.blog/DQma2AczDSoUsZteEormcdx7vh6L6ju6VNVzYmHH6idJFa8/image.png)
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@tarazkp ·
That is a decent return, and I think it will start to compound. I got in at a lucky time about four months ago, just before the latest surge. 

That is a very large 1up logo.
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@nathanmars ·
$0.51
Let me try to answer this question.

> five years from now, where will you be financially?

I'm not focusing on money, focus on how I can improve myself and my own crypto journey and figure out what value I can provide for others, and let the money comes to me. 

Ps. well-written article 



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@tarazkp ·
$0.68
>what value I can provide for others, and let the money comes to me.

These tend to go hand in hand in social blockchain it seems - the speculation game is a solo endeavour, but building something grand takes a team. The value that can be generated is immense and it is worth far more than money.
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@nathanmars ·
> The value that can be generated is immense and it is worth far more than money.

Fact!

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@preparedwombat ·
$0.36
>A base job, which is essentially making cheeseburgers in the kitchen, pays $9.68 per hour. 

I wonder how old those numbers are. None of the fast food places I see having signs out are offering less than $12 an hour. The McDonalds in our town had a $15 sign up for at least a year but now it’s β€œup to $17” but that might be for managers.

Meh, I’d rather plug away at Hive.
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@tarazkp ·
No idea. Seems low to me too, but the US salaries seem to be low for these kinds of jobs. It is interesting that around the world, people are leaving work at all levels though, considering collapse is coming.
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@salvadornkpara ·
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You're absolutely right my dear friend, multiple streams of income gives one the liverage to choose the kind of life we want to live in the nearest future. Hive is one of multiple streams, the individual will choose the next stream for himself. Thanks for this enlightenment on hive.
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@tarazkp ·
THe individual will choose every stream for themselves. 
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@salvadornkpara ·
I'm only talking to those already on hive and not the general world. Promoting hive is now a conscious duty to me. Thanks for that one
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@salvadornkpara ·
I bought some few tokens today, although small, but in time to come it'll make a difference. Check my post on leofinance to see the post.
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@sand126 ·
$0.35
'Play to earn'  tag getting huge in demand and it is the future of gaming .Those fliping the burger ,can still join the money boat. I have seen many of my friends invest atleast 10% of their salary into splinterland. These 10% will not make you passive earner so quickly but certainly after few years you will quit flipping burger and become financially free as earning will be generating online. 
For me, My son has piggy bank and he invest his penny every month into his splinterland account for buying cheaper cards. One day those cards will be rare and surely it add value for holding. 
This is one of more informative post i can share to my other friend who still think online gaming is matter of wasting your time and energy.
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@tarazkp ·
I hope that in the future, a lot of people recognize that unless they have the potential to earn on their value generative activities, they will look for the places they can. For too long, activity has been given for "free" with no more return than a place to work.
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@videoaddiction ·
Obviously, HIVE is not a just blogging platform. There are a lot opportunities that we can benefit. However, we should know how all these works, it could be complicated at first.

If I was unemployed or a student, I would certainly consider HIVE as my full-time own job. Now it is my part-time jjob :)
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