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· @tarazkp ·
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Two jobs and seeking a third
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I took a break from my imaginary getaway trip to Denmark to register as a job seeker at the unemployment office - a strange thing to do considering I *technically* have two jobs. Exceptional circumstances - require very lame actions and I do not think that I have had to do this before.

When I first came to Finland, I found out that the company I worked for would "fire" me for the holiday period, which was three months for the training business. This wasn't mentioned in the contract as I was only meant to stay nine months, but they offered me an extension. For this 12 week period, there was no salary, no holiday pay, no nothing - but the company said that it is okay, I just go and register as unemployed and everything is fine. 

https://i.imgur.com/a7aiHYJ.jpg

The problem is, I am not an EU citizen like all of the other workers they had and a non-EU citizen didn't qualify for any kind of support within the first three years at least. This meant that my only option was to do something I had never done before - get a credit card. For three months, I lived off my meager savings and credit and as the job I had wasn't exactly "high paying" (it was below the poverty line - while the company was making record profits), it took me about 2 years to recover from that 3 month period. 

The debt cycle is real, and if one gets *too far* behind, it becomes a continual crushing bane of existence, constantly having the dogs bite at the heels and unable to take advantage of real opportunities that arise, due to past obligations. Debt is a killer - it is also the games they play with debt that causes so much economic volatility and when countries get into debt, it is their citizens that will foot the bill. 

>Fuck I hate the idea of being on any kind of social service....

In Finland, the social services are good because for a very long period of time, Finland has had low unemployment and a good rate of business to cover needs -. It has also been that Finns themselves were generally thrifty, and would limit their spending and have significant personal savings. In times of need, the government would be able to call upon internal money to cover costs, which had lower interest and the interest was paid to citizens. These days, Finns are catching up with the global western consumer cycle and getting more and more into debt, evidenced by the explosion over the last few years of "[pika lainat](https://www.pikavipit.fi/)" - *quick loans* - that people use to cover everything from buying a TV to a holiday, at inflated interest rates (the highest behind that link is 132% interest), higher than credit cards. What this indicates is - the people using the loan service already have maxed out their cards, or no longer qualify.

Debt is an insidious beast that keeps driving value out of pockets through interest payments for nothing gained. Yes, it is understandable that something like a house requires a loan and perhaps even a car under some circumstances - but people are buying their clothes and weekend drinks on credit. If you can't afford to drink with cash - *don't.*

Personally for me, this period of time has been pretty soul-crushing as it feels much like everything I have been working for over the last 17 years in Finland is going to amount to nought, even though it is not going to be the actual case. There is something horrible about having to deal with government employment services and it is made worse as I haven't had to do it for a very long time - because I have worked my ass off and tightened belts in order to not have to. In the past, I have actively chosen to *not take support* and preferred to rough it out instead. 

However, with my family now and the current situation we face - I figure that I have generated enough taxable income and ALV (goods and services tax) through my business as well as increased the business activities of my clients, that I think I shouldn't feel that bad about taking a few months *if I can get it.*

It is still uncertain as when I talked to a representative today, the first issue that came up was "You are not an EU citizen" - this normally means that I am likely not going to qualify again or there will be significant differences in what is covered - but I am unsure. I am a permanent resident and have been for 15 years, run a business and hold a second job in a Finnish startup - but at these times - that might be meaningless. 

And I think that is what the worst thing is when it comes to dealing with government offices - the people they are working with, the citizens and stakeholders of the country - are just numbers. I remember almost 17 years ago when I was in the office for the first time and asked, "so what am I meant to do for food the next three months" and the woman behind the counter literally said, "that is not my problem" and closed the window. 

I am far from that point this time, but the same kind of familiar feelings are arising, and that annoys me. I also know though, that regardless of the outcomes in this area, I will be fine and I will work it out well enough, as I always have and back myself to find a way - if it ever gets to that. 

It is funny, as with so many people having to do the same at this time, people are more openly speaking about it. What is interesting for me to note is the difference in enthusiasm between people. Some seem literally excited that they will get paid something for not working, even though it will be less than what they would get for working - others like myself - feel the sense of failure. I came very close to not registering at all this morning, but I figure that with the uncertainty of the future, it is probably best to do so and keep some options open in a pre-emptive move - and the lines are very long to contend with. There have been more requests in the last months than they normally get in 2 years.

It could be that I still won't need to fall back on it, but I am glad I live in a country where there is at least some kind of social net, as while I might not need it at the end of the day, there are many others who will. In a society and community, large disparities cause large problems for everyone eventually, and poverty is something that creates a lot of knock-on problems. There are significant differences across the globe in this area and I wonder when the recovery finally does come, which will recover the fastest economically and which socially  -and which will drag on at the expense of their people for years into the future.

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@cranium ·
Life is like a zebra:
Black line / white line / black line / then full ass and tail :)
If you are ready for the latter, you will be able to relate to other things more calmly.
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@markkujantunen ·
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> ALV (goods and services tax)

That's VAT, Value-added Tax in English.
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@tarazkp · (edited)
In Australia it is GST, goods and services tax - or was when I was there at least :)
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@markkujantunen ·
I see. Anyway, the semi-official English translation used here is value-added tax. 

https://www.vero.fi/en/businesses-and-corporations/about-corporate-taxes/vat/
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@markkujantunen ·
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I haven't had to deal with the employment office (knocking wood), yet, but the time may come. My wife was unemployed for about six months after she graduated from university in March seven years ago. Finding a teaching position was next to impossible in Tampere or anywhere near it, which is not surprising given that the place is flooded with students and credentialed teachers competing for positions. 

In the following autumn we had already rented a small apartment in Nastola, a municipality neighboring Lahti in the east where my wife had a part-time teaching position for ten months. We spent the following summer back in our own home in Tampere and she was unemployed again. We moved back to a larger apartment when she got a permanent position after the summer with much better pay. Selling our home in Tampere was a real drag because the market was very quiet in 2014. It took us three years to find a buyer who made a decent offer - none were made at all before the spring of 2017. In the meantime, we had the place rented out for 13 months. It was vacant and in our possession for 21 months with all the fees (except for water) incoming every month. Living in that larger home in Nastola was three moves ago because we wanted and could afford a better place to live in while our own home was rented out in Tampere. Our daughter started school in 2015 and we didn't want to stay in Nastola because the long-term future didn't seem too promising for that place and we wanted to settle in and later buy a home in Lahti. There was one extra move within the same apartment complex before moving into the house that we have lived in for a couple of years now because of renovations. An expensive ordeal. That's all I can say. If the housing market had been normal, we'd have bought a house here already in the summer of 2014, which would've saved us tens of thousands of euros.
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@tarazkp ·
Yep, 2014 wasn't a good time for selling for sure. We bought in 2014 and was able to get the apartment (plumbing coming) for several thousand less than what the person had paid for it a couple years earlier. A friend of mine had their rivitalo on the market for a year and a half (Kulju, LempÀÀlÀ) before it finally sold, and they took a small loss on it too - after 12 years living there. It needed a bathroom renovation.
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@markkujantunen · (edited)
The corona crisis will probably cause the housing market to become stagnant again - and it must already be doing it. If it is prolonged, it will crash. But how exactly it will sort itself out when we come out of this is uncertain. I'm predicting telecommuting will become a bigger part of life permanently. What's the use of living in a tiny, overpriced home in the center of a large city when you can't use any of the amenities of the city? While a similar pandemic may be unlikely to hit us for many decades to come, people will remember the pain of having to spend months cooped up in their  small apartments in the city, worrying about how to pay for them. 
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@minismallholding ·
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I was reading this article on our welfare system the other day. 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/25/the-australian-welfare-system-has-always-been-needlessly-cruel-now-its-punishing-half-the-country?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

I can vouch that it has become the most humiliating and degrading thing to do in recent years. The first time we had to go there for help, wasn't too bad, but still not great. Then last year you just got the feeling that you were some sort of bottom feeder out to try and con them. The more people end up on there, the worse it seems to get...and the economy was already collapsing before all this. 

They've been setting up so many computerised systems, which don't work and no-one seems to know how to get them to work, then you get a strike on your record that you can't remove because you couldn't put your job application evidence through. 

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@tarazkp ·
I am glad that it isn't "that bad" here yet, and the online services are generally good in Finland.

It is the bottomfeeder feel I hate the most. I don't care what others think of me, but I hate that feeling in myself. The Finnish system of social services is likely better than most, but times will change as more start relying on it.
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@papilloncharity · (edited)
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I think you know about my hatred for debt and I am with you on the hesitance that you felt about the registration. But you deserve the help as you have contributed to the country!!

My kids and one surviving sister continue to push me to register for a government pension, but I would rather die before I register for the pittance that they call a pension.

In your case, your family comes first and you simply have to stash your pride, but I think that you know that.

The recovery might be a long way off and you have to grasp any opportunities that you can.

We hope that you will be accepted and you know that you are not a failure, as things happen that are way beyond our control.
It is how you get through it all that makes you a winner.

Hang in there my friend!



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@tarazkp ·
I am still hoping that I won't have to actually receive anything, that I will pull something out before that - but who knows. Contribution should at least account for something in this life with so many contributing nothing and still taking. 

>The recovery might be a long way off and you have to grasp any opportunities that you can.

I think the wise now are looking at what they can put away immediately to take an opportuinity when it arises. Many seem to be burning all they have to maintain life, instead of scaling back. 

I think we all need to hang on :)
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@papilloncharity ·
We are also hoping that some kind of offer will come in for you.
Some people are so used to their comforts that they don't care how much they spend to keep at the same level.

Sadly they leave themselves wide open to the "surprises" in life and when the crash occurs they are left high and dry.
You are right, we all indeed need to hang on!
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@por500bolos ·
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> I remember almost 17 years ago when I was in the office for the first time and asked, "so what am I meant to do for food the next three months" and the woman behind the counter literally said, "that is not my problem" and closed the window.

Haha, well... **Wadda generous and empathic poor cold finnish soul eh?**

Ah, just enter and participate in an unique [graphic contest](https://hive.blog/hive-148441/@por500bolos/make-a-meme-with-this-phrase-the-simplest-of-contests-13-hive-1st-prize) for once in the blockchain and forget for a while and make all your hardships fade in a jiffy.  ;D
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@tarazkp ·
>Wadda generous and empathic poor cold finnish soul eh?

It is likely a cultural norm here :)

- Not sure about your MeMe contest :D
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@por500bolos ·
> Not sure about your MeMe contest :D

Ah come on Taraz, try it. It will be easy for you. Just think in how much you could solve by winning 13 HIVES especially **from me.** :)
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@preparedwombat ·
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Any chance you can get dual citizenship because of being married to a Finn?
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@markkujantunen ·
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It should be possible based on long-term permanent residence alone. It has no bearing on whether anyone is entitled to benefits. But citizenship requires minimum knowledge of either of the national languages: Finnish or Swedish, for which there is a test. Another accepted proof of language proficiency is completing a degree in a program in either language.

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@tarazkp ·
As @markkujantunen said, it is very possible - but the language test is compulsory -  so no :D
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@preparedwombat ·
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Well, for an English speaker, Swedish is easier to learn than Finnish. 😏
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@roleerob · (edited)
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You reasonably state @tarazkp, what anyone with any real experience in life …
> *”… it took me about 2 years to recover from that 3 month period.”*
>
> *”Debt is a killer …”*
>
> *”… I hate the idea of being on any kind of social service....”*

… knows and yet here we are.  *All over the world* …  In the midst of this β€œunprecedented” global response to a pandemic, it has been remarkable to me how docilely it appears to have been accepted.  By most …

The corrosive nature of what you are describing seems to be very poorly understood.  And, therefore, seldom talked about, as though somehow if we just don’t acknowledge it, maybe it isn’t real …

We are only in the very early stages, collectively, of finding out how foolish that is …

In the midst of whatever is coming, I hope you and yours get through it relatively okay.  I think you have admirably expressed the right attitude about entering into it at least.
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@tarazkp ·
>And, therefore, seldom talked about, as though somehow if we just don’t acknowledge it, maybe it isn’t real …

No one can really speak out, because most have accepted it. To do so is social suicide - *people think I am crazy* :D

survive or not, we will all do what we think is right - some will be actually right, many not.
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@roleerob ·
Yes, well @tarazkp, I can't speak for you ...

> *"To do so is social suicide - people think I am crazy :D"*

... but as a "contrarian" as far back as I can remember, I made my peace with that a long time ago ...  Join the club! πŸ˜‰

On a more serious note, I see your sleeping pattern has not improved much, since according to my handy, dandy World Time Zone [aide](https://www.worldtimezone.com/) it's about 1:00 a.m. there!  Hopefully you can still get a good night's rest, in spite of the stressful conditions present.
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@sgerhart ·
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Praying for you my friend
I just want you to know that you are one of the people who keeps me believing in this community and your value can never be measured in monetary terms.
Dont lose sight of the truth that you are a part of the solution to this construct we are all prisoner to. Fight on brother.
Thank you
All the best
Peace
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@tarazkp ·
Thanks, it means a lot.
I have my ups and downs in life, but I generally find my feet soon enough and soldier on :)
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@soyrosa ·
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Ugh. I feel you. 

> In the past, I have actively chosen to not take support and preferred to rough it out instead.

I've done this too - I had always worked since I was 14 years old and when I got very ill in 2012/13. I chose *not to take the government assistance that I had build up over the years*. Instead of actually calling in sick I kept on working as best as I could and decided I could 'solve' my illness 'problem' by starting to work as a freelancer (so I could work my own hours and take as many hours as I needed to heal). That very act meant I did give up all my 'rights' for government assistance though, and then two years later I got an accident on top of the illness, which meant I couldn't work as I literally couldn't walk more than couch-toilet for more than a year - but at that point I was 'just a freelancer' without rights to government assistance. 

Looking back at it now I say to people: take the assistance you can get, because there can come another unfortunate accident/event *on top of the one you're currently in* and by then you will regret having been so tough on yourself. I speak from experience :D 

Good luck going through the horrible *hoops* - You're a number to them, but not to me <3
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@tarazkp ·
>Looking back at it now I say to people: take the assistance you can get

Yep. Over the years I have paid so much in tax and other payments to support others, that I figure if I really need - I shouldn't feel bad about it. I think it is mostly personal pride that has stopped me - but I don't want my family to suffer anymore than they must if push comes to shove.
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@thetroublenotes ·
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Appreciate your mentality. The debt crisis is real and it has caused an innate shift in the psyche of humans. We have allowed people to profit off of the undisciplined impulses of the masses and bank on the fear and misunderstanding of the system. I have seen countless friends rack up massive debts in their early 20's that have crippled them for decades because they did not truly understand how credit cards work. My entire life I have avoided debt like the plague, because I have seen from the other side exactly what can happen to a person who buries themselves in debt. The safety nets in place are important for those who are truly in need, but often they are abused because of poor choices (usually made naively) that stem from a lack of education and a glorification of predatory practices that have allowed multi-billion dollar industries to be built on debt. Our future depends on more people like yourself sharing your story and your mentality.
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@tarazkp ·
> that stem from a lack of education 

Don't you find it funny that at least a basics in economics isn't a compulsory lesson at school - but art class is?
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@thetroublenotes ·
Honestly, it's likely by design. How can a predatory system exist if the masses are informed?  Either that or it is truly innocent and a failure of our curriculum that they have been unable to keep up with the changes in times. Clearly economics has become seemingly more complicated, especially in the field of finance. It is not easy for a layman to grasp, but none the less there has to be a better way to teach the basic economic principles to everyone. And it shouldn't just be 1 class, but mandatory each year.
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@yamgum ·
Great information
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