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I asked a friend,

> If you *hypothetically* raise your children *perfectly,* does that mean they will have a good life?

And of course the answer was "no", but with the caveat that it sets them up the best they can, which is totally true. But, I followed up with another question.

> What if everyone else does a terrible job of raising their children?


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It is interesting to think about, because while I don't believe that most parents purposely raise their children poorly, changing culture might be influencing the practices. And, no matter how "good" a child is, we are social animals, which means that we are going to be affected by our peers in many, many ways. 

> "There are no good men out there"

I have heard this said in movies, and I have heard it said in real life too, but it is currently still a lie. There are "good men" out there, but what happens if there really isn't? And if there are no good men, are the women any better? Like it or not, we live in a society where both men and women are required, and it could be argued that the [reduction of the role of "traditional" men](https://unherd.com/2024/02/bad-therapy-is-stunting-our-kids/) has had negative impacts on society as a whole. But no one wants to hear that.

>"Toxic masculinity" drives more clicks. 

As a parent however, I *should* be thinking about what kind of world I want my daughter to grow up into, and what constitutes her wellbeing. Of course I want her to be safe and have opportunity, and I also want her to breathe clean air. However, our wellbeing isn't dependent on a few factors, it is more complex than that.

*Health might be wealth,* but there are more aspects to our "health" than our bodies. There is also our mental health, which despite all that therapy and "self-care" is on a steep decline across the averages. As is our emotional health. And, according to a [Harvard study that spanned 85 years,](https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-secret-to-happiness-heres-some-advice-from-the-longest-running-study-on-happiness-2017100512543) the number one factor of our happiness is,

> Social fitness.

## *Social health.*

>In our relational lives, there are seven keystones of support:
>1. Safety and security: Who would you call if you woke up scared in the middle of the night? Who would you turn to in a moment of crisis?
>2. Learning and growth: Who encourages you to try new things, to take chances, to pursue your lifeโ€™s goals?
>3. Emotional closeness and confiding: Who knows everything (or most things) about you? Who can you call on when youโ€™re feeling low and be honest with about how youโ€™re feeling?
> 4. Identity affirmation and shared experience: Is there someone in your life who has shared many experiences with you and who helps you strengthen your sense of who you are?
> 5. Romantic intimacy: Do you feel satisfied with the amount of romantic intimacy in your life?
> 6. Help (both informational and practical): Who do you turn to if you need some expertise or help solving a practical problem (e.g., planting a tree, fixing your WiFi connection).
> 7. Fun and relaxation: Who makes you laugh? Who do you call to see a movie or go on a road trip with who makes you feel connected and at ease?
[](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/10/85-year-harvard-study-found-the-secret-to-a-long-happy-and-successful-life.html)

Read that list and see if the people in your lives offer enough depth, or if the relationships have weakened over time. Then, have a look at the list again and recognize that we are increasingly using tools to replace the people in our lives. 

For instance, younger people tend to jump from experience to experience, but don't build deep relationships with people that span across their growth, instead "outgrowing" people, because tastes change. That affects *Emotional closeness* and *Identity affirmation and shared experience.* Not only that, younger people are turning away from long-term relationships, and in many cases, relationships altogether, so *Romantic intimacy* is replaced with one night stands, porn and a sex toy. And *help* has been replaced by DiY YouTube support, and paid service people.

It is interesting to note that if you talk to younger people, they believe that they are more social and accepting of diversity, but this is not actually the case, because while they *want to be accepted,* when people grow and change, they will drift and abandon them, because they no longer have "something in common". But, this is what happens to *all people,* so it means that if we each abandon the people in our lives because they change, we are also going to be abandoned, right? 

> Does that seem like a good experience?

Now, it is possible to avoid the feeling of abandonment by moving into the next experience and making new connections, but that means that those new people don't have the past shared experiences, so there is no continuity, meaning that they don't actually "now" us at depth, which is again, one of those keys to happiness. 

It seems that most of the emphasis is put into the last point, the *Fun and relaxation* factor, which tends to lead to the consumer side of the equation, buying shared experience. A concert, a movie, a beer. But, while it is important, it also neglects all the other factors that apparently go into making the average person happy in life. Do we want our kids to be happy in life?

> Content. Satisfied. Joyful.

Use whatever word you want, but at the end of the day, the words don't matter, *the conditions do.* The condition of the mind, the body, and the emotional soul. The condition of the air, water, and environment. And, the condition of society, the community and our interpersonal relationships. 

We all want to feel recognized and valued in this life in some way, and even this is being outsourced to machines, where people are spending their time with chatbots who make them feel special, and paying money to AI-generated models for intimacy. 

> At least in my eyes, it is not a picture of health.

Yet, many will keep protesting and claiming that I don't understand, that culture has changed and the younger generations are more evolved. That in thirty years, they have *outgrown* two million years of evolution, and can leave it all behind.

*Sounds familiar.* 

My daughter wants to be hugged. She wants time with us. She wants to play together. She wants to have her back tickled. She wants to discuss with us. She wants to have someone there to support her, encourage her, and help her when she falls. She wants to be close.

> Nearly all kids want this, and always have.

They have not evolved out of it. So what makes them think that in the few short years from childhood to early adulthood, they fundamentally change who they are at their genetic core?

*Social conditioning.*


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@amigoponc ·
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There is no perfection in parenting and if there were, they would be automatons. Maybe for many parents it would be excellent to implant in their children a chip that makes them gifted, but that would not be human. **Do you think so?**

Remember that life is like the waters of the sea, some days calm, some days rough, some days stormy, some days grey skies, and some days very subtle with gentle sunshine. Let the little princess grow up as she is doing so far, with her devoted parents, providing her with the best they can and giving her the tools to survive in the concrete jungle. Everything else, nature itself will teach her a lesson. Such is life.

> My daughter wants to be hugged. She wants time with us. She wants to play together. She wants to have her back tickled. She wants to discuss with us. She wants to have someone there to support her, encourage her, and help her when she falls. She wants to be close.

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#### @tarazkp: if one day my child is going through a problem, I don't want him to say โ€œmy parents are going to kill meโ€. I want him to say, **โ€œI need to call my parentsโ€**.
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@tarazkp ·
I wouldn't have my kid chipped. Also, the thing with "downloadable skills" is as soon as they are available, the skill is valueless. What kind of gift is that? There is no perfect parenting, which is why it was a hypothetical question. 

>I want him to say, โ€œI need to call my parentsโ€.

A problem he feels he can't overcome alone at least. While there will be those middle stages of rebellion perhaps, once my daughter is an adult, I still want her to be willing to come to me for support of some kind. 
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@aussieninja · (edited)
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I absolutely accept that social fitness is a huge factor in someone's health.  It's a shame we've moved away from multi-generational housing because I think there's a ton of benefits for everyone having kids, parents and grandparents in the same house or really close by.

If I had millions of dollars, I would absolutely want to build big, big, big share houses for both empty-nesters and different houses for people in their early twenties.  I do think a big problem the kids are facing these days is that huge lack of the third spaces (for me it was local parks and shopping centers) and so they're lacking in the opportunity to develop deeper relationships even though they are more social these days. 
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@tarazkp ·
>  It's a shame we've moved away from multi-generational housing because I think there's a ton of benefits for everyone having kids, parents and grandparents in the same house or really close by.

Yep - this ties into what I was writing about yesterday in terms of learning from people in other stages of lives. When we live together, we see it happen directly. 

>(for me it was local parks and shopping centers)

Yep. I remember hanging out in the parks, meeting girls, riding bikes, getting up to mischief *together.* It was part of that shared experience, self-discovery, as well as peer group dynamics. 

It isn't the same on a Playstation. 
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@aussieninja · (edited)
It's really not.

Unfortunately the push for constant profitability means that teenagers constantly get kicked out of shopping centers, moved away from parks, harrassed for loitering, etc - it's really hard for them to gather, hang out and get into mischief now.  Bored security guards have become the natural enemy of teenagers just trying to learn how to connect with each other (without spending a ton of money).
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@bozz ·
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If you hang around teachers for any amount of time, you will often hear them say something like "he/she is a good kid". Thus implying that there are also kids who are bad kids. I've always felt that kids are just kids. They make good decisions and they make bad decisions, but they aren't inherently good or bad. These days though, there are some that are just evil. I still don't feel it's their fault entirely. 
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@dandays ·
Was reading some Jordan Peterson the other day and something he said resonated: Parents focus on protecting their children when they should be preparing them.
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@emmyrosum ·
I agree from your words it's also important to have self grooming abilities. Everyone have to learn how to treat their children's 
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@galenkp ·
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When I wake up on work days and sit under the alfresco area with a coffee AI always think, if only I had a cute picture of my niece to smile about. Today you delivered. 
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@tarazkp ·
Pretty great photo, isn't it!
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@galenkp ·
Yep, a good one. I'd like it to frame. 

(I know, old-school). 
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@heruvim1978 ·
One interesting side note: Out of all my acquaintances raising girls, only the one who restricted access to screens of all types (phone, tablet, tv) until at least the age of 4-5, got children with a developed social and emotional intelligence, and high skills in these areas. The other ones, who let unrestricted kind of access to any kind of screens, are better developed intellectually, but completely lack social/emotional understanding. Those in the middle got basic/average skills in both area. Personally, I think emotional and social skills are more important in life as adult then learning computer skills and intellectual stuff. 

What about you?
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@joeyarnoldvn · (edited)
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# Love those first 2 questions. It is tough for parents. I've not been a parent but was a camp counselor. What comes to my mind is the turtle giving advice to Kung Fu Panda or the Splinter rat giving advice to the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. 
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# Those first 2 questions you asked is a good outline. First, perfect parenting does not always result in perfect children. Second, bad parenting does not always result in bad parenting. 
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# It's not like parenting and growing up is going to be absolutely and purely good or bad. It's a hybrid. which means both parents and children are good and bad in various degrees. Culture does influence children. 
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# Therefore, the trick might be to turn family life and life around friends into the major force of culture for children. 
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# Things like television and the Internet disrupts local communities which would influence local cultures for local neighborhoods and tribes globally for thousands of years meaning whatever might be trending in Hollywood and the Internet is disrupting local influence for better and for worse. 
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@tarazkp ·
That is some big text.
I had to zoom out 50%.

>Things like television and the Internet disrupts local communities which would influence local cultures for local neighborhoods and tribes globally for thousands of years meaning whatever might be trending in Hollywood and the Internet is disrupting local influence for better and for worse.

Yes. We continually minimizing the role of other humans in our lives, because it makes life "easier" with less psychological and emotional resistance. 

In many ways, the exposure to alternatives outside our culture is a good thing, but even that has been turned "toxic" because of cultural appropriation. What happened to cultural appreciation and "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" ?

>Therefore, the trick might be to turn family life and life around friends into the major force of culture for children.

And in doing so, we learn more across generations, and also build more social ties across peer groups at all ages. 
 
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@galenkp ·
I didn't know there was a prize for the biggest comment text on Hive. Seems like we have a winner. 
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@joeyarnoldvn ·
Sorry about the big text. Yeah, I hear you. Yeah, imitation is flattery they say. Yeah across generations is something that has been declining for too many people.
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@outwars ·
I think a person's upbringing affect the person they become when they grow up. It isn't always the case, since people can decide to change. I noticed that this then translates to how they raise their kids. If their parents deprived them of a lot of things, they want to give their child everything they can. They were beat up or treated harshly, they pour all their love on their child. It isn't always negative, if the parents taught them to be achievers and study musical instruments, they tend to do the same with their children. So I think the society we are seeing now are a result of that. A lot of parents raised their children to think that they can do anything they want and be anything. And that is what they're doing.
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@rafzat ·
Life is not what it used to be anymore and a lot of people are not raising their kids well. The ones that are not even raised well tends to become the bosses or best in somethingโ€™s asides from their behaviors 
The world we live in now makes it feel like training your children in the right way is bad but we should never stop doing that because good attitude is good virtue
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@videoaddiction ·
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I think it is not all about the job of raising child by parents, it also depends on the personality of the chid. The child of a well-educated and wealthy parents might be a troublemaker, or vice versa.
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@tarazkp ·
This is true, but I am more looking at it from the averages perspective. For example, many people are increasingly using screens to raise children - what is the average result?
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@videoaddiction ·
A wanna be personality occurs.
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