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Up with Us or Down with Them? by tarazkp

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· @tarazkp ·
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Up with Us or Down with Them?
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Toward the end of November, a colleague at work who has been ridiculing me for a few years for being into crypto made an astonishing announcement, albeit said in more of hushed tones. 

> *I am thinking of buying some crypto.* 


![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/tarazkp/23xVGvyWGDH7zPp553Tz52wN4cyb9C599KrJir38pN4meUXbzAFU84kAgms3BLYinJHf1.png)


He then asked me if it is a good time to buy. 

*Yes, because even if it goes down, I believe that the price is going to be significantly higher than where it currently is anyway, so laddering in and cost averaging would be smart. You don't have to go big, just put a couple percent of what you are investing and learn.* 

A couple weeks later and just before we headed off for Christmas break, I asked if he bought. Just after we returned to the office in the new year, I asked again.

>No both times.


![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/tarazkp/23t773JvwBz767iY7rcREYfaiDpdQZCCYcx2eg9vXk8kW6AbyTv47gJgBKNRTtc7fxEVH.png)

Like *every run,* this one isn't going to last either, but it is also good to note relatively recent history and consider just how fast things can actually move. For example, from 10K in October 2020 to 65K took six months. So, a 600% gain in that time. 



![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/tarazkp/23t77B7WNiaKgg1eqjbwU2UxTZkGawKvbkbsFRXCxWTqEeZvZPEFjTC5efEKua2yBX4Nd.png)

>How'd HIVE fare?

Well, in the same time it went about 800%


![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/tarazkp/23swg9smqdDstzEckZHnmTEQXw5XasuxG2G8xwo3Txqc2X61gFYiHRBBimPAvHkKkqqVU.png)

Then of course, there was the mid-year slump, where people like my friend were at their most gleeful, as BTC lost over 50% of its value in the space of a couple months. What they didn't recognize of course is, in eight months, it was still up 300% from November. Nor were they counting on this:

![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/tarazkp/23swgSf3owEqHJ6sRccg9V9fFV1UU1wqreyyen5TZKy7pAWFdiKzNN1RBy3TDfwQ3yMCc.png)

a 130% gain in less than six months.

>And Hive?


![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/tarazkp/Enyo2Z3pzv7qpCLZstV5CmaonqMQ41UjcAg6DhyyEwFwQJapEbEmCMxpwdBqrzKLPUA.png)

1300%

 But since then....this.


![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/tarazkp/23swdkXsTtRgHJ4LvuYRhgcLy1EGR1SRiHN57xTyVFx8ABGXjkW8hMM9mPFjEPB28xMAw.png)


A full year and a now a bit more to where we are today. 

As you can see, the movement of the last week is a tiny, tiny blip on the radar, barely noticeable when compared to the mountain of red behind it. 

>But for how long?

No one knows, but the speculation by everyone holding some crypto is,

## *Not forever.*

Prices can move upward incredibly fast and they can also return down almost as fast. The current "price" is never real, it is just a tiny snapshot of speculators. It doesn't capture the real value, or even the perceived value of the entire market, because the majority of BTC is locked up and not trading, which is part of the reason it is so volatile. Same for HIVE. The long term outlook though is still good.

This is BTC price chart since January 2017, which was when I first started participating in crypto. On ~~Steem~~ Hive. 



![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/tarazkp/Eo1vQkMeS1KrkUEpimEM7uG1HrTE3KG5aa6ufxFm82qgw9Y2bNwjpXiXoFPyRqo9Gkw.png)



If I had bought 10K worth of BTC (11 BTC) and held until today, it would be worth 220K. But, like most people, I didn't have 10,000 to spend. In fact, I had *zero* to spend at that time, I had to earn my way into crypto. But, if I had the 10,000 to spend on BTC now, it would only get me a half BTC. How many people reading this have a half BTC right now, do you think? 

> How many have a full BTC?


![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/tarazkp/23t7AzHeAC18XTWCQXabJRnYeok9JxWMoHJkRCjS1nRjxaDTjok7CLqJensMC99PcHg6j.png)

The estimate is that about 4 million of the mined BTC have been lost forever.


>How many future BTC owners will ever have 1 BTC to their name?

I suspect, not many. Not because of a lack of money, but because of the unwillingness to buy one when the price was in the range they could. Instead, like most future buyers, they will buy the tops, not the lows. They will get minimal bang for their buck and as time goes on and inflation ravages the value, it will get worse, as the value of Bitcoin and other crypto assets will benefit from the devaluation of dollar buying power. The more dollars that are printed, the more debt created, the more relative valuable is added to scarce or programmatic assets. In the same way that when I was a kid, having a million dollars buys a nice house and was retirement level to live off the interest; these days it doesn't even get you the house.

>We are entering into a new financial paradigm.

It is going to question the value of everything and it is going to question what value means at its core, including the value of ownership. In a financial society that has encouraged debt portfolios instead of investment portfolios and renting instead of owning for so long - it is going to be *disruptive.*

>Will my colleague ever participate?

*Yes.*

If he wants to or not.

The cost to participate is getting more expensive by the day. 
*At least if you zoom out.*

Taraz
[ Gen1: Hive ]



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@aiovo ·
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Agree I was in red almost all 2022 but we are see green in new year I hope we hit previous ath soon 
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@tarazkp ·
The last few months have been very stable, so I am guessing we are due a nice move. The direction though...
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@arysi ·
It is unbelievable how quickly the crypto pumped. 
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@cmplxty.leo ·
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RE: Up with Us or Down with Them?
I've tangentially mentioned crypto to some of my colleagues and being in the tech side, you'd think that people would be all about it! Nope, most of them are not and some think it's a load of shit. I'm sad to see that people are duped by the poison coming from the media mouthpieces. 

I'm in a dilemma, but I think for only a little bit. With the prices fluctuating like this, I'm unsure if I should be selling with programmatic sells, still buying my DCA, and putting in programmatic buys if it ever dips. I'm doing it at this moment but at what point does it get less profitable to sell it and then hope that it goes back down, in time to make something? Lol decisions! 

Hopefully your coworker gets in sooner rather than later. It does take many of us a little while after we learn something, to get into it, to be fair to your colleague.

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@tarazkp ·
>I'm sad to see that people are duped by the poison coming from the media mouthpieces.

Intelligence doesn't equate to wisdom. 

I find selling hard because of what you have said. I am not selling at this point though.  :)
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@ducecrypto ·
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Dollar cost average is the way! No emotions, just the same percentage each week. Glad to have been early.
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@tarazkp ·
Yep. I wish I had been more consistent... stupid life.
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@ebingo ·
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The value of crypto has not changed...While I was working in the hospital I tried so hard to encourage people to join Hive and be a support but it is really hard for most people to think long-term...I don't blame them...but I can't join them...I just want to be patient enough to take my profit and reinvest...I don't mind looking poor if I have to.
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@emma-h ·
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I love seeing this kind of things on graphs and being able to show people because they always say "Maybe I should give crypto another try" after being burnt by some asshole trader who fucked up...I tell them to do just that and buy when it's low like now but to MANAGE THEIR OWN PORTFOLIO instead of leaving it with someone else. I think that's what scares them. I can't wait to buy some more as soon as money comes in, I'm hoping to get in while it's still low (on Hive). 
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@tarazkp ·
I don't understand how anyone would trust a crypto trader and not take the responsibility for themselves. It is far too volatile in my opinion, so best to make the move and take the loss personally. 
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@emma-h ·
That's exactly how I feel. If I can't trust myself, why would I trust someone else?
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@empress-eremmy ·
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I learned not to compel or persuade anyone too much. Eventually they'll come to see things from your perspective if you're right
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@tarazkp ·
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It is not about telling them what to do, it is about saying what I am doing. I am believing more and more that the discussion is better than not. 
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@fieryfootprints ·
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>I am thinking of buying some crypto.

>No both times.

Have you told him about Hive? He could earn some crypto without spending money. ~~Or he might be like my friend who is no longer active here...~~
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@tarazkp ·
Hive is not a very good option for many people I know to earn, as the work involved is not worth it. This particular person already has investments that are worth a lot and, earns more than most people in the world. 
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@jfang003 ·
$0.19
RE: Up with Us or Down with Them?
I think it's tough for people to pull the trigger and get in. In the long run, I do think it is worth it and it should go higher if nothing really changes. However, it might take time for it to play out and I have a feeling that most people don't want to buy because they feel that it could go lower. Picking the low and highs are really tough and it keeps them out of the market.

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@tarazkp ·
Very tough to continually pick highs and lows. Easy to just buy a little consistently - a little more when feeling there is a low. If buying at 50K seemed like a deal because expecting a much higher high, buying at 20 is awesome!
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@mattclarke ·
$0.67
Amir Taaki (one of the early devs) mentioned a friend of his had saved 0.5 BTC on a brainwallet through blockchain.info and that the relevant code has since been lost to mankind, rendering that 0.5 BTC and any others secured the same way, lost forever.
I had 17 BTC on a blockchain.info brainwallet 9 years ago. 
Happily I don't any more, but it makes you wonder how many others have their bitcoin safely tucked away in a wallet they can't spend from, and don't even know. 
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@tarazkp ·
$0.16
This is something that concerns me with ledger and trezor storage, what happens if the companies collapse? What are better options?
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@oasiskp2 ·
The BTC market can be funny at time, one moment it is up rising and the next moment thereafter, it is down again or half way.
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@p1k4ppa10 ·
$0.25
It has always been the tactic of a lot of watching who does it and then rejoicing when things seem to be going wrong.

... I say it seems because then in reality they don't actually know how things work.

I believe investing in crypto will always be profitable for now, as well as investing in other things... simply having the right information and knowing.

I will continue to accumulate and all in all I'm also doing it without spending too much of my own... at the end of the balance between all the investments I will always find myself more than what I put in... just think of Hive, however I accumulate even without investing so from scratch I find something (for me it's still a smart thing).

Leave it alone that I then add my own to it and that in any case I also put my passion into Hive and have fun.

The thing I know is that there is do or not do , there is no try my govane Padawan!
Yes I know, I'm a nerd dehihi!
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@tarazkp ·
>... I say it seems because then in reality they don't actually know how things work.

It is a funny thing to hear colleagues talking about crypto with five-year old information as if it is relevant - And I work in a software company with a monthly release cadence. The product five years ago compared to today is completely different :) 


Hive attracts Hive, and 20% a year on an asset that I suspect will see some very large gains (and fallbacks) doesn't sound too bad.
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@relf87 ·
I guess it's just human nature that people only rush in when they see it going up, like what happened in 2021. And then the "buy high, sell low" cycle repeats. These days, my friends rarely talk about cryptos. I just continue to focus on my own journey, posting on Hive, and accumulating cryptos outside of Hive.
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@rmsadkri ·
$0.19
How things change in a matter of week. Everything was calm when BTC was languishing around 16K and it sprung back to life with 20K. The market repeats and rinses. I am now a witness of a bull market rise and a bear market fall. I need to make sure I hustle and earn Hive, invest more money into crypto. That way, I will ride the next wave up and be ready for the financial freedom. Keep the wisdom coming :)
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@tarazkp ·
I don't know if it is wise to listen to me - I hold all the way up and *back down.* :D
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@rmsadkri ·
It is wise to listen everyone with the experience they have. The decision making should be their own ;)
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@ryivhnn ·
$0.19
I remember J and I trying to explain that to his parents and them looking like "well that doesn't feel right so we're going to choose not to believe it".  My mum was at least "oh okay" and they all probably have about the same levels of investment knowledge as each other as I know they all invest in stuff.

And recently a friend asked if we were doing alright as he noticed that Bitcoin (which everyone seems to think is the entirety of crypto, and they are very confused when the first thing out of my mouth in  response is "I don't like bitcoin" XD) had dropped.  I tried to keep the conversation relatively simple (I know there are a lot of things where I need people to dumb it right down so I have a prayer of understanding it) and eventually he said "I don't trust crypto because I don't understand it" which I think is everything of the problem, but at the same time people just blindly trust a lot of things that they don't understand because reasons?
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@tarazkp ·
Sometimes I wonder, if a person can hold all the lore of Star Wars, but fails to understand crypto or even just Bitcoin, what is going on? 

While I might be ridiculed for it, I would rather talk about it with people who are looking to get over the hurdle and are interested in some way, than keep to myself and have them say "why didn't you tell me" later.  
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@ryivhnn ·
They'll probably still say why didn't you tell me later, but it will be for some super specific reason that had you somehow magically known to tell them they would have done it then and thus not been in such a mess.  However if you did tell them that super specific piece of information it will be some other one.
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@shortsegments ·
$0.19
RE: Up with Us or Down with Them?
#### ***If we examine the historical record.. we find that men ignore history.***
#
### LOL!
#
##### Your friend, and most people won’t buy now because they only see the downside, not the previous upside. 

##### The reason that a few people will go all in now, and make phenomenal wealth is because..

##### ***..it is easy to be greedy when everyone else is being greedy. But it’s hard to be brave when everyone else is afraid.***



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@tarazkp ·
yes. Now thoey won't buy because it is "too expensive" compared to a few days ago. Even though this was the "crash level" they were teasing about ;)
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@slhp ·
$0.19
Short covering is what I think happened.  Especially leveraged trades.  Over $21k now. 
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@tarazkp ·
It probably won't hold too long. But nice to see still. 
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@spiritsurge ·
Well there are trackers that track BTC coming in from wallets to Centralized exchange...if you keep a track on those you pretty much can call when a quick sell is going to happen...and there are many indicators as well...but nevertheless nice post...
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@technicalside ·
> Prices can move upward incredibly fast and they can also return down almost as fast.

They can, I've seen it happen a few times since 2017. Some crazy shit happaned throughout the years 🀣 I feel this now is the best buying opportunity there was in years

!PIZZA
!LUV 
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@luvshares ·
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@tarazkp ·
It is shaping up for a volatile year. hopefully upwardly :)
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@urri2020 ·
$0.19
I woke up today and saw BTC at $21,000. It's good to be a crypto investor.
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@tarazkp ·
$0.03
Quite a difference from a couple days back :)
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@urri2020 ·
Glad to see. We may have gone through the bottom of this bear market. But for many investors there is a minus - they did not have time to buy a crypt in the region of 10k in BTC.
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@videoaddiction ·
$0.19
In a long-term investment, I think it is not late to buy as the FED will slown down the raising of interest rate. I hope HIVE will follow BTC and reach around $1.
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@tarazkp ·
as interest rates ease, speculative assets are going to move fast. 
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@yibbiy ·
$0.19
They will be interested again when the crypto market breaks new highs.  
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@tarazkp ·
Yeah. Time to buy!!

I have a friend who bought a tiny bit around 50 and I am sure he won't buy again until he is already in profit on that. Silly. 
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@zaibkang ·
That why we called it distributive technology because we understand it's going to distript everything

Price goes up and down but a revolutionary technology or innovation stays same like Bitcoin and hive 
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