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vote4quality / flag4not: Game? by tarazkp

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vote4quality / flag4not: Game?
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After a little discussion in steemit.chat, I thought I would write a little fun post about the platform.

This user spends his time in general chat giving advice to new members who find themselves there, and encourages them to join a vote4vote circle with him. He has a Facebook page where people can drop links and get votes from other members. Nothing new there and this appears in many forms.

The problem I always have with these types of circles is that there is no guarantee on the quality of the posts and therefore can quickly descend into a circle of spam (This is usually where it starts anyway).

My discussion with the user surrounded the idea that he is convincing new users who may actually be looking to develop themselves to benefit from Steemit, into joining a scheme that is most unlikely to help them in their success. By posing as someone who knows how the platform works, he is able to encourage new people into his circle and potentially stop them from ever having a real chance here.

His argument was that if everyone agrees to the scheme, there is no harm but, with new users on a platform that works differently to other places, they do not necessarily know what they are agreeing to. There is future harm done when the advice given is knowingly poor.

I am not a scientific researcher but when a lab or scientist makes a research breakthrough, their data is submitted for peer review and their methodology and results are (hopefully) rigorously tested by independent researchers. If their results are found to be questionable or they are overreaching with their claims, they are quickly and sometimes ruthlessly criticised. This is because the products and claims they make can influence many people and may have impacts for years to come.

The flag system at Steemit is somewhat of a criticism mechanism by those who review content. Yes, it can be abused but I wonder if there was a link drop that instead of *vote4vote,* went ***vote4quality / flag4not*** instead, how many people would be willing to submit their work.

How many of the vote4vote people believe that their content is of a high enough standard that they will risk getting flagged and suffering the cost to income and reputation? 

Of course, quality content is not about topic of content. I myself can upvote content I disagree with because I can see that someone has put time, thought and effort into their post. My vote isn't on my approval or support of the content, it is on the attempt to present and argue their views or display their creativity. Of course, I am unlikely to give it a full powered vote as I reserve that for content I enjoy and find useful.

If anyone new to Steemit happens to be reading this I hope that before following any advice or joining any scheme, they review the offer and the person offering first. In regards to advice on success at the platform make sure that the person is indeed knowledgeable enough to qualify as a source. When it comes to the scheme, nothing is free and one should question why someone is willing to upvote their content before knowing what it is or who they are.

New users make many mistakes when they are starting out at something and this is true for any area in life. To build knowledge and skill takes time and effort as well as the right information. Be very careful with anyone that offers success or claims to know and be doubly wary if their process doesn't require hard work and a lot of learning. For much of life, there is no easy and fast way to success.

At Steemit, these people in an attempt to support themselves are actually reducing the possibility for success of many others on the platform. In doing so they are destroying the experience of these people who start to get disillusioned as after all, *they did everything they were supposed to do*, based on the advice they followed.

I hope this helps someone in some way or helps them think about and identify the types of users who are actually harmful to their Steemit journey. There are many ways to benefit from the system and if you would like to ask questions below I am happy to try to answer of find out for you.

Taraz
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@alexander.alexis ·
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I generally agree, but the thing that's left unsaid I think is that most users don't read content even when they vote individually. Both group voting and single voting doesn't assure quality, you'd have to take the additional step of actually reading the post. And even that's no guarantee!

It's basically like voting in real life! You may vote what your "group" tells you, what your party tells you, what your dad tells you, or what you tell yourself, but at the end of the day, none of that is going to be any good if you're not educated. They say for democracy to work, you need an educated populace, and I think the same is true for steemit.
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@tarazkp ·
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Yes, I agree with you about the education. My hope is that people will find content that slowly educates them across areas that will benefit them in life. The good thing here is that content isn't forced down throats, the bad thing is a lot of people will silo themselves.
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@ammadaziz84 ·
nice
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@glitzengage ·
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Thanks for reminding me to join the steemit chat.  I'm still a newb and haven't figured out the strength of voting yet.  My initial 2 posts earned about .70  and nothing since, so I've been curious what it is I'm not getting.  Chatting will probably help me to figure out some of what I'm missing.
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@tarazkp ·
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It should. Remember to use your steemit nane in chat. It is then easier for people to find you.
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@mrsquiggle ·
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@personz ·
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I like they way you're talking about it here, people on their "Steemit journey" as opposed to the platform itself.

What you propose, presumably as kind of satire, is nevertheless interesting. Shall we do it for a little while? I am not on here that much but I would love to read some good posts again, I've dipped in a little today and there's some great stuff out there, as always.

So, is the rule you either vote or flag every post, but you have to do one or the other, so it's a kind of gladiator style sudden death game. If so, I'm in! ⚔️ ☠️
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@tarazkp ·
Well, I think people would have to willingly submit their work somewhere. Otherwise I don't have the VP to flag them all :D
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@personz ·
Well I got the [thunderdome](https://steemit.chat/channel/thunderdome) channel created on [steemit.chat](https://steemit.chat), drop by, it's your idea!
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@polebird ·
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Interesting post! Thanks for spelling it out👌
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Great Post, upvoted! Here is the link to Steemit Emojis...Hope you like it...
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@vegascomic ·
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I agree.  There's something to said for reading a post and then voting for it if you like it.  Vote 4 vote stuff is ruining a lot around here, and not really getting anyone anything.  This was a good post.  Informative from beginning to end.
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