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· @tarazkp ·
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What a Creeper
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Over the last couple days, I have noticed a couple stories in various news services that have irked (irritated) me a little. The problem with them is that what actually happened is something I agree with, but at the same time, "culture" has made it disagreeable, on one side of the equation. 

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The first story was about a woman who was annoyed because at the gym, she saw a *really good looking guy* that she wanted to talk to, but even though she kept trying to get into his eyeline in the hope to lock eyes, he didn't look at her. Her complaint was that because she is a busy person, the only place she has a chance to meet someone, is at the gym, but *the men* don't pay attention.

>Hmmmm

Another one of these stories was similar, where a woman on a plane saw a *really cute guy* sitting in front of her and passed him a note on a napkin, with her number on it. 

>Hmmmm

*Reverse these roles and put a male in the lead.*

As said, I believe that people *should be* approaching other in real life, instead of using apps like Tinder, because real life is far more accurate. What I mean by accurate is, it is far easier to make judgement calls in the moment, interacting with each other, having a chat, asking some questions, gauging reactions and building rapport. It is also easier to (like in the gym) find people who are more likely to be interested in similar things, like working out. Yet, we have created a culture where if a man did show interest, he'd have his face plastered on TikTok as some creeper. 

>And now women are wondering why men aren't looking at them?

There are so many issues with all of this, where for instance, when we were younger, my friends (95% female) used to complain about "all the men who would hit on them" at a bar. Then, a few years later, they were complaining about "all the gross men", then a few years later, complain that "no one hit on me" at the bar...

>People like attention. 

But, the issue is that people only want attention from people who they find attractive. What this means is that if a man does happen to approach a woman in a bar, unless she finds him attractive, it is an unsolicited and unwanted approach, and he is deemed creepy. But, what is creepy is that a person who puts themselves out there, is seen as disgusting because they are not cute enough, too tall, too short, too fat, too ugly, too .... and someone thinks it is okay to state this as a reason not to talk.

Reverse the roles and imagine a man saying, 

>"Sorry, you are too fat for me".

This isn't about pointing out the hypocrisy of the culture, it is about being a little more honest that we like attention and, we are also very judgmental of those who give us attention. We are judgmental of everything, but if we want to get the kind of attention that leads to relationships that we value, we are going to have to build a better sorting mechanism than we are currently using, and change our behavior to accept that at times, and maybe even often, the attention we get isn't going to come from people we might be interested in.

People who we aren't interested in, though they are interested in us, doesn't make them a creeper, it makes them someone who is giving it a go. They don't know our interests, they are just going with what they know at that point, *their interests.* It is in the interaction together where they can get the other side of the coin and see if there is reciprocity. 

It is not to say that there aren't creepers out there of course, which is actually more reason to interact *more,* because then we start to learn what kinds of behaviors mean what. You know, 

>there are "cute guys" who are terrible humans too. 

But, there are countless videos being released of women who are filming men in the gym checking them out. For those of you who go to the gym, try not looking at a person who spends ten minutes staring at their butt in the mirror, trying to get the perfect angle for a "selfie" to put on Instagram. 

>They gym isn't a place to meet people.

*It is not a photo studio either.*

And, they don't seem to out *all the women* who are also looking at them.

And I would say, just like the woman mentioned in the story I read, that for a lot of people, the gym is the only place outside of work they even have the chance. Remember that on average, men work longer hours than women.

>According to U.S. census data, men spend an average of 41.0 hours per week at their jobs, while women work an average of 36.3 hours per week. [](https://towardsdatascience.com/is-the-difference-in-work-hours-the-real-reason-for-the-gender-wage-gap-interactive-infographic-6051dff3a041#:~:text=In%20other%20words%2C%20working%20women,of%2036.3%20hours%20per%20week.)

Assuming single, they have *less opportunity* to meet someone.

And, there are good people who a woman might be interested in, that don't fit their normal preference. Heard of *opposites attract?* So then, how does that work out through Tinder-like apps when you tell the algorithm what you are looking for? If you set the preferences for what you like, it will exclude your opposites. Also, it assumes that you *actually know* what your preferences are.

>My wife would have never described me, if she was to go on her preferences. 

The randomness of *real-world* human interaction for dating is a fantastic sorting mechanism for finding quality partners, because the filtering start on the fly in the moment and, it also slows down the process, providing a lot more key data points to inform and opportunity to talk, *or walk.* 

However, because of all of this "public outing" of people who are *most likely* just looking for some human connection and intimacy in their lives too, the dynamics are imbalanced. The men who a woman might want to approach, are scared to approach, because they don't want to be seen as creepers. But, because creepers are creepers, they are often the only ones who will approach, so the ratio of creeper approach to normal man approach, is skewed.

It is good for women to have experience with creepers so that they know what to look out for, and they likely get *a lot of experience* because there is likely an increasing selection bias, so their random interaction a have a higher chance of including creeper. But, it is also good to note that there are men who are not creepy and if a woman is looking to build a relationship, she needs to have a filter developed to exclude the creepers, and include the valid candidates. 

Social media and the internet in general has changed culture a lot over the last few decades, and it has become a place of celebrating victimhood. There are incentives to being considered a victim, so the bar for victimization keeps coming down, so that more people can be included and see themselves as victims. This happens to both females and males, where women will see themselves as victims because they get an unwanted look, and men see themselves as victims for getting their face splashed across social media for looking. 

>It is an economy of victimization - all for clicks. 

We live in a weird world, don't we?


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@attilio-cesare ·
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**great article!  thanks for sharing it with yOUR mankind family!**

***wo/manKIND*** could  STOP ✋ being viewed as *hue-men*, with all the pre-judgment (i.e. prejudice) that comes with the programming we all receive from *”THE beast SYSTEM”*;  women and men are naturally born **kind**.  i believe, it is “THE SYSTEM”’s programming/indoctrination, of us, which causes us to beLIEve that we a hued/colored/stained (pre-judged) to be less than ***”wo/manKIND”***. 🤔 
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@tarazkp ·
The prejudgement has been passed down from generation to generation, through a lot of indoctrination by culture. We don't question it, we think it is all a part of us. We are made to judge on the information we have, but the information we now get fed, is not from our own experience directly, it is mostly second-hand from people who have an agenda. 
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@attilio-cesare ·
agreed!
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@bereal47 ·
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Some people find it very easy to communicate online but don't have the courage and confidence to showcase that in in real life. Having the courage to confront someone will really make the interaction flow unlike living a life behind shadows.
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@tarazkp ·
>but don't have the courage and confidence to showcase that in in real life. 

Is that the kind of person women want to spend their lives with?
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@bereal47 ·
I doubt because such relationship wouldn't last.
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@blanchy ·
The lovely ladies that go to my GYM are getting all dolled up these days to go. Hair , make up, the works.  I have to say I am quite enjoying it. Us Irish our known for our pubs and clubs but these days young people prefer to look after themselves and go to the GYM rather than going to a bar. Which takes away the chance to meet people of the opposite sex. It's crazy I know but this is what's happening. And it's actually becoming a proper place to meet people. When I head out for dinner with my wife I see token fit gym regular  wooing token fit gym regular woman who he started chatting to at the GYM. I was laughing last week when this stunner came into the GYM intent on getting the attention of a guy she liked. It's like a little soap opera. . The two teenagers in front of me on the treadmill. Their mouths just dropped. I was in stitches. (My mouth dropped as well mind you but there was nobody behind me)
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@devpress ·
Feminism has gone really out of hands. And it is going to piss few men out, not because they hate women, but because they can get trapped in their pranks, feminist hit job or even some shady stuff which is harder to defend in the court. So yeah, men are going to play safe most of the time from now on.
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@ducecrypto ·
> it is about being a little more honest that we like attention and, we are also very judgmental of those who give us attention.

What a sad bit of reality this is. As a short guy, I can only imagine the amount of women who have written me off for a conversation just because I am not tall enough. Not my type anyways then...

> because creepers are creepers, they are often the only ones who will approach, so the ratio of creeper approach to normal man approach, is skewed.

When I try to make this point to my mostly female friend group, they just say that standards are slipping and there are fewer good guys. But I think the good guys are just afraid of making the wrong move and just don't make a move at all. Both sexes are losing out on needed connections.

> The randomness of real-world human interaction for dating is a fantastic sorting mechanism for finding quality partners.

To this day, I still feel lucky to have been able to meet my partner of nearly 3 years (in 2 weeks) at a random house party during the lockdown of the pandemic without so much as a digital interaction or some scripted preview. I didn't even say a word to her for the first hour I was there as I just wanted to get a feel for the people at the party. And when I finally did get the courage to finally introduce myself at 5:30am, it sparked an authentic connection. 30 minutes later she had everyone else leave the party (turned out she was the host after all), and we were able to deepen our connection so much more without all the other distractions. About as close to love at first sight as I'm going to get in this day and age.
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@kryptik ·
I never got to try Tinder. I've been with my lady for THAT long. I'm accustomed to the old fashioned way, staring at your own shoes awkwardly and pacing until you're belligerently drunk enough to have the confidence to fail miserably. 
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@meesterboom ·
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I get quite pissed off at the *gym creep expose* vids. Super of them are warranted but loads just look like opportunistic nonsense. In my gym they have signs all over the place to blur use your phone. Of course, no one bothers 🤣
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@tarazkp ·
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Women dressed in nipple tassles and g-string, saying "don't look at me! Don't objectify me! While I am posting these images to Instagram" :D
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@meesterboom ·
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It's just about the only reason I still go to the gym for the ogling 🤣🤣
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@mikezillo ·
I like your point here. 

Gender equality is sometimes good and sometimes it's a responsibility. 

Giving charge to others for our faults may be dangerous as we lack the moment to grow and evolve ourselves. 

How is that possible that the fault is always on others and never on ourselves? 
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@preparedwombat ·
Maybe I lead a sheltered life? I had no idea that gym creep videos were a thing. 😅
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@riz611 ·
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These gym videos are so common nowadays, people recording other people and making fun, recording a so called "creep" and "exposing" them, those hour long gym vlogs. 

How much time to these people have in their hands? A good intense workout takes about an hour and 30 minutes or so, and now we are going ahead and recording the whole thing with our portable studios. While also recording our surroundings, taking pictures, so that's at least an hour more. 

How do grown people manage to spend 3 hours or more just at the gym? And I'm not even talking about the fitness experts. Even the average person is following this off new "gym routine". Just for a bit of attention and meaningless views in the WEB2 space lol.
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@tarazkp ·
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These people aren't there to actually work out much, they are there to be seen. Then complain ab out being looked at, whilst posting images on their social media to get  likes and comments based on how they look, from strangers. 
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@riz611 ·
> they are there to be seen. 

100%

It's like a trend now, having a gym membership. Whether you workout or not, maintain a balanced diet or not, as long as the selfies keep coming you're good. 😂
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@slothlydoesit ·
Tinder/dating apps have something like 95% of women competing for the top 10% of men. They all think they deserve the “best” men with money, looks and the “full package”. Something like 50% of men 18-30 haven’t had sex in over a year, there’s certainly a lot more issues in the dating field these days than previously. Even with an abundance of choice. Like you mention, the majority of guys are classed as “creepers” if they try make a move, so many just don’t any more. And it’s left woman complaining, men just can’t win. It’s funny to see woman hit the realisation that they’re doomed to be alone when they hit 30+ let’s hope a change is coming sooner than later and we start to appreciate each other again soon! 
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@trucklife-family ·
Yeah, weird indeed. I sometimes feel like we are living in a world turned upside down, where some things are so in your face and we have to be okay with it, but then, we have as you said people seeking out some human connection but are deemed as being creeps. 
We are being told to be more accepting, but only of certain things.
I luckily don't experience any of this where I live, but I hear about it from others who live in more built up areas.
I find it difficult to keek up with all the changes taking place.
Surely we all just need to remember to be kind to one another x
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@videoaddiction ·
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Where are those women? I think they are living in a wrong country. In general, women do not look for, but to be looked for ;)
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@tarazkp ·
Some women are starting to realize how hard it is to actually do the asking - and they are facing a situation where the men will likely say yes. 
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