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When is it Hive's turn? by tarazkp

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· @tarazkp ·
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When is it Hive's turn?
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As someone who has been among the most positive on Hive year on year and through thick and thin, putting my stake where my mouth is (stake is your voice they say), the performance of the price of Hive is something that is never too far from my thoughts. Hive is about a year old now, the chain is five years and I have been adding to it for a little over four years, daily. I want it to do well.

![image.png](https://images.hive.blog/DQmQ3P7Qed6x3bM9XVZkhNDU6m9UQLWEtvf9bMKMfVGYKEx/image.png)

Last night I wrote a post on the release of [Leo Finance's CUB token and mining pools](https://leofinance.io/@tarazkp/stroking-cub) and Nonames, left this comment about when all of these second-layer activities are going to have an impact on the value of Hive. 

![image.png](https://images.hive.blog/DQmQVYNMQ5HzyVNaRhYVQdspMrCWyMT89ppevmNuMxnpSVX/image.png)

On the price, *I have no idea.* But I hope soon - as I have hoped for the last 3.5 years and since I started to actually learn about Hive and the potential of crypto and a decentralized, blockchain community. This is where the value steps in  however, and Leo Finance and other applications and services have been increasing the value of Hive for some time now. Even though price doesn't seem to move much (it is up 250% year to date), the value of being on Hive is increasing daily through the activities of the community, not just the ones that have a return either. 

But in regards to financial matters that generally take precedence:

![image.png](https://images.hive.blog/DQmcMfzzioPsKvTfKPQwccCyrCyBg4apJzkdx6HqCbfQz3B/image.png)

CUB is a new token and currently sits at *amazingly,* 11 dollars each. That isn't the interesting thing though - the total value is. At time of writing, there is 4.1M dollars worth staked on https://cubdefi.com/ which means there is about 2.3 million staked that *isn't CUB* tokens. The platform has been live for about half a day and has already attracted a very respectable amount of stake to it. 

The Leo Finance team is active and passionate - but, would it have been possible to do it without the Hive community? I don't think so and I am not just talking about the last 24 hours, I mean from inception to today, a two year plus journey. This is the power of having a socialized platform that not only has its own economy, but also leverages the economies of all others in the crypto space, as people tend to diversify both outwardly from Hive and inwardly to Hive. Currently, there might be more going out than in, but will that always be the case? I believe not, as in time there is going to be an increasing number of applications attracted to a fast and feeless ecosystem with a knowledgeable and active community willing to back the stuff that they believe in. 

Integrate DeFi into the Hive blockchain and have that as a leverageable core for second-layer DeFi applications to utilize as well, and things can increase in both value and price very quickly. One of the challenges is that at the moment, there are some crazy opportunities to get inflated gains on APR, making holding Hive stake somewhat unattractive in comparison, as it "only" offers about 15% through curation. But essentially, Hive already has a mining pool in operation where people stake and gain access to the inflation, but the same stake could potentially concurrently act as a DeFi pool to take advantage of other opportunities. This would mean that holding HIVE as stake doesn't mean missing out on other opportunities, it means increasing those opportunities by that 15% a year on top of whatever the others are offering. 

With the community aspect involved and the ease of which second-layer applications are able to built upon the Hive blockchain without having to worry about transfer fees at all on platform and very, very low and static transfer fees between exchanges, it could attract a whole range of new development in both the DeFi areas and the applications that people love to use, all with the security and speed that the Hive blockchain provides, as well as the community as a platform to build upon and attract users to use case. 

The challenge with the price of Hive currently is not only convincing investors to buy it, but also to stake it, in an environment where they are able to get a better (albeit riskier perhaps) return on their investment. Expanding the utility of the HIVE token to be able to directly and simply take part in DeFi, would give a great deal of incentive to buy, as it is not only a project that has a proven track record of users, it has a track record of users who have proven themselves relatively stable, through the ups and downs. With a lot of these projects, n one knows who is who, but with Hive, people can be assured that no one is going anywhere fast, not only because of the current 13 week powerdown, but also because it is highly decentralized with value spread wide and a lot of the users *love* being on Hive. 

The practical considerations of this would of course need to be looked into, but I think that Hive already has some assets like the savings wallet that it could leverage and adjust to become a DeFi holding pool, using smart contracts to make claim on the contents, but having it all accessible behind the account holder's keys, rather than trust it to a third-party application. 

The community of people on Hive is very, very valuable - but their value doesn't translate into price directly, their activity does and it isn't about each post value, it is about what the community can accomplish together and how it is able to encourage others to join in the movement. As this is a decentralized environment, the "movement" is *movements* and can move forward in many directions simultaneously, but for people to take part, they will have to be convinced and we *all work on incentive* of some kind. That incentive might be monetary, it might be social, it might be for the sense of security - but there has to be some reason behind why we do what we do.

As Hive is a general level blockchain, it is able to be used in a multitude of ways and the more it can grow its usecases, the more opportunity it has to capture users, with more users spreading throughout the ecosystem to further strengthen and grow it upward in price and outward in appeal. 

Hive is the most awesome crypto community out there, it is just that either many people do not know it or haven't understood it for what it is and will continue to grow into. We are human and are often distracted by the new and shiny, but at the end of the day, we will settle down on what gives us a home. 

Hive is Home.

When people take ownership of a home, it is where they will invest a lot of their time, energy and money. The return on HIVE is more than financial, it is social, personal and in time, it will tie these three things together in such a compelling way, that taking part and adding value will be the most basic investment a person can make, with a return that competes in ways very little else can. 

Things are looking good and price will follow. When?

That is up to us and what we do as a community to build it. 



Taraz
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@andyblack ·
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If we can have defi without transaction fees that would be revolutionary, I believe we can do that here on hive...
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@tarazkp ·
It would be pretty awesome to have tokens coming in and out from all over the industry, feelessly. 

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@athomewithcraig ·
I love Hive. This is my real crypto home. Hopefully HIVE will explode soon. I love the photo at the top.

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@azircon ·
Here is the deal Taraz...

If CUB finance becomes anywhere near Pancakeswap... we won't have anything to complain about. Even better news is, we know the person behind the project, and they already have applied for auditing, which some of these big projects yet to do and still has $4B invested in them. Yes, you read that right, $4B is the TVL of Pancakeswap.

<center> ![image.png](https://images.hive.blog/DQmWRaDDbuFKucX1QkPGAmUterjgpgDvFKvKxxPTKydVDZC/image.png) </center>

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@tarazkp ·
And why aren't we retrofitting Hive to do the same?

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@frankbacon ·
I think HIVE is legit capable of building a dashboard product to compete so that when Auditing does take place on CUB, WE will have a superior product... which we already have.
Kind regards.

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@bozz ·
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It would definitely be nice to see the price of Hive go up.  I guess I am not really going anywhere though.  I was here for $.10.  I will likely still be here for $1.00 if it ever gets up that high.  I have never powered down and I just keep moving Hive into different projects on the chain or powering it up.  

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@tarazkp ·
I think a dollar will arrive by mid year, the end of year might be a surprise. 

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@bozz ·
That would be really cool to see!  More rewards that I can power up!

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@bulldog-joy ·
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> Worship the Hive- Save the bees!

A quote out of my latest post, translates right to your 

> The return on HIVE is more than financial, it is social, personal and in time, it will tie these three things together in such a compelling way, that taking part and adding value will be the most basic investment a person can make, with a return that competes in ways very little else can.

Even though I am rather new, the most value I gained so far is the people.
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@tarazkp ·
>Save the bees!

Collecting pollen? :)

The community is a lot of fun one relationships and friends are made. Lots of good laughs to be had. 

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@bulldog-joy ·
Yeah, laughs and insights :).

> Collecting pollen? :)

Maybe, but on this "Save the bees!" I took it literally https://peakd.com/hive-194913/@bulldog-joy/hive-life-macros-for-our-survival πŸ˜ŠπŸ˜‰
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@cryptoandcoffee ·
We have come to far to fail and think this year could be a good year as everything is linked. Patience does start to wear thin but things are moving rapidly and at some point has to reflect in the price.

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@tarazkp ·
Getting a bit of marketing to hit the right points could go a long way in attracting the right people.

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@davidmuhammad ·
I love HIVE world
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@tarazkp ·
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@denmarkguy ·
$1.61
*"Hive is Home."*

That resonates with me, and as you stated when something is *"home"* *(as you **well** know!)* we start putting a different level and attention into it.

These days, when I consider all the things *"happening on Hive"*, I can't help but think about Ethereum, and its evolution. When you keep your ear to the ground, people aren't as excited about *Ethereum ($1,800 pricetag notwithstanding)* as they are about what you can *DO* with/on Ethereum. Hell, even the Binance Smart Chain is built from Ethereum. Ethereum *itself* isn't that much of a *thing.*

Now, let's look at Hive on a similar projected course, where this is a *framework,* more than anything.

To that end, it becomes increasingly important to be clear about what Hive *"IS"* and what we're telling the world about it... especially in view of this new marketing proposal that has just been approved. 

Even in my very *earliest* days on ~~Steem~~ Hive β€” once I had a basic understanding of the nature and potential of this "beast" β€” I started telling people that using the pitch *"come to our community and make money creating content"* is the WRONG approach to use. It bring the WRONG people, and it will cause massive stagnation. Even *"come to our community and BUILD STAKE in the social media you're using!"* makes more sense, from a *long term sustainability* perspective.

It's Marketing 101: If you tell people you have a full bucket and you're sharing, people will come to *empty that bucket.* I personally believe the price of Hive struggles because there has been *such* a heavy focus on *"emptying"* the bucket. *Constant* sales pressure. Every time the price runs up a little, half the community shows up with their liquid Hive to SELL. 

Thankfully, it *does* seem like we're moving towards a place where Hive is an *ecosystem* of *many* flavors... and I'm hoping the *content creation* aspect will gradually move more and more into the hands of the individual communities with their own tokens... LeoFinance style... and Hive becomes more something you MUST hold to *buy in* (Stake) to various projects, play games, create communities, and whatever.... gradually removing the *sales pressure* while creating *purchase demand.*

I'm also strongly in alignment with **@taskmaster4450** on the notion that we also need for someone to grab the bull by the horns and create a *viable commercial peer-to-peer marketplace* here (eBay meets Amazon meets Craigslist) that's *entirely* crypto based... and thereby *creates* the necessity for *buying and holding Hive.* Like many such things, that's 3-5-10 year project. 

Hard to believe, but there was a time when ETH was stuck around $10 for a *very* long time (in crypto terms). 

Sorry about the *"dissertation,"* but you're bringing up some important stuff here.

*"Hive is Home."*
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@frankbacon ·
HIVE!D

I reposted based on this comment alone.  All good points.  
HIVE!ON

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@tarazkp ·
It is important stuff indeed. I realized like you long ago, that the "money" will never keep people here, as it is too sparse at this point and likely always will be for most people. Even if Hive was at 10 dollars, there would be a lot more people here trying to empty the bucket, how many could?

However, pushing it out to the second layer and having many, many buckets on Hive, allows for the capture of a lot of users and value, much of it not monetary directly. Build what people love and they will *pay* for it. Build what brings them enjoyment and a sense of accomplishment and they will bind themselves to it also. 
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@foxkoit ·
$0.12
I like HIVE world , but price... 


Hive is to low ... it need to be 2 or 3 $ I have been here all years from beginning and I have bad to see so low price, and also bad to see that price it is also kept low deliberately.  Sorry I say it. 
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@tarazkp ·
If it was at 2 or three dollars, would you buy more then? :D



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@foxkoit ·
Why not ... Yes I buy ,if it gets in this summer 3 dollar, it means we see end of this year also 9 $ too. But if we not get it ... forget that you get something big here. Me... I not go sit here next 5 years more that I can get some 2 $ if I be lucky ....  And I not joke.
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@frankbacon ·
HIVE!D
This is a very practicle article...
I Defi You!

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@tarazkp ·
Cheers mate :)

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@jacobtothe ·
$0.11
We have the best platform for people when they are ready to let go of web2.0 social media. However, most people are not ready to let go yet.
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@kohsamui99 ·
I will never understand it all but it's nice to be here as part of helping the community to build stronger and a it's a great learning experience seeing what comes through.
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@markkujantunen ·
$0.12
Did you already get your airdrop?

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@tarazkp ·
 don't think anyone has. At least on H-E, it is saying a supply of 1. 

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@markkujantunen ·
I see. They talked about 24 hours after the announcement post.

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@mpagg ·
πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘

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@mythcrusher ·
I predict that Hive will go up to 20 to 50 US dollars. They say that every cryptocurrency is going to peak at one order of magnitude higher at the end of this bubble than they did in the previous one. BTC peaked at 20k, now it is predicted to peak at 200k. STEEM/Hive peaked at about 5 dollars, and if the next peak is one order of magnitude higher, it will peak at about 20 dollars.
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@frankbacon ·
LEGIT!

And LIT

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6fISDqySPB0R5MdO/giphy.gif

but the price should not have any aim in all of this IMHO...
I've secured a publishing bzzness that's worth quite a bit more to me than chasing speculation.
As an investor... I'm near 5 years VESTED, and on board.  The rest is grass roots.
See you guys on the plantations... of the future.

![Screenshot 2021-03-05 at 2.22.50 PM.png](https://images.hive.blog/DQmeYwrDb4LFrJgBHpDKC4BRpmpjp1S8sTaSzqabY15YNqE/Screenshot%202021-03-05%20at%202.22.50%20PM.png)
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@tarazkp ·
it hit 8 - which was pretty cool. so 50 dollars perhaps ;D

If it hit 5, 10, 50 - I wonder how many would be disappointed

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@natalia-irish ·
$0.12
In fact, the price of Hive puts many in a dilemma, which may attract investors to buy in large quantities, but although it is low, investors do not like it.
I think if the price of Hive reaches $ 1, many people will buy it more than now

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@tarazkp ·
It is a funny thing isn't it? People prefer to buy high, rather than low. I think that those who understand the real potential, don't mind getting in at the basement. 

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@natalia-irish ·
Exactly 
> those who understand the real potential

Those are Us :)
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@nonameslefttouse ·
$0.34
Not sure what to say.  I'm trying really hard to be *one of the crypto kids,* here.  
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@tarazkp ·
I still don't understand it - but I am trying to keep up with the youngins. 

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@nonameslefttouse ·
$0.18
I just meant I'd like to be able to *fit in.*  People are excited and I don't really know what they're excited about.  It's not hard for me to pick something up and learn but I need to be interested in it first.
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@offgridlife ·
$0.12
Why can’t hive do Defi ? Same as BSC ? ... it’s so complicated ... I see Cub is now $15 ? 

You must have a few thousand Cub at 20,000% APR ?
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@tarazkp ·
I don't think it would be that complicated, but it would take a bit of jigging and creative thinking to integrate it smoothly.

>You must have a few thousand Cub at 20,000% APR

I have no idea as I am at work on a work laptop, so can't see it :) I didn't have that much in the morning, but I am expecting the price to fall. 

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@papilloncharity ·
$0.12
It all hinges on what we represent to the world outside Hive and if we can do the Defi thing it could be good as all that it takes is one tiny spark to light the fire.
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@tarazkp ·
One spark is all it takes. Many sparks are possible :)

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@papilloncharity ·
Well let's hope that the resultant fire from many sparks will result on us having to have fire fighting controllers on standby worldwide :)
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@rickardoh ·
I just keep wondering when the time will come that we are only using our influence to build other platforms while ours is lying hopelessly. 

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@tarazkp ·
It is doing ok - it can do better. 

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