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hive-167922 · @taskmaster4450 ·
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Scaling Of Hive Is Of Utmost Importance
There were a lot of takeaways from Hivefest.  However, for me, there were a clear focus exhibited by the core developers that I feel is crucial.


When looking at this stuff, my view is that it is vital to look at things from "the ground up".  We have to start at the most basic level and [work](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-work) up from there.


Hive is a network.  It is a series of [nodes](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-node) that are interconnected which update the [database](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-database) every few seconds.  Since the nodes are not related with regards to ownership, we are dealing with something that is decentralized.


On this level, it is also [permissionless](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-permissionless-blockchain).  Anyone with the technical know-how is free to set one up.  Permission from some corporate [body](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-body) or head is not required.


Finally, we are dealing with a text database.  Unlike the [Bitcoin](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-bitcoin) [network](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-network) which is, at this point, mostly financial [transactions](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-transaction), Hive can store any type of text.  This is akin to Wikipedia as opposed to the database JPMorgan runs.


With the basics, what is the most important factor.  Most will say users.  From the presentations, we can see how there is a different focus.

<center>  https://img.inleo.io/DQmThGuZt3UFvmV8R4WZkonwXTw4t6CrN7CLVjy54Z3RoMs/image.png 
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# Scaling Of Hive Of Utmost Importance


What happens if there are a million users on Hive?   Obviously, this would make a lot of people happy.  


However, what would happen if the network was only capable of handling the activity for 250K users?  


Do you think that would be a problem?


The advantage that [Web 2.0](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-web-2-0) have is they can scale.  We know that, no matter what happens with the Meta [applications](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-application), the [company](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-company-business) will have enough compute and [bandwidth](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-bandwidth-hive) to process it all.


[Web 3.0](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-web-3-0) has repeatedly run into this problem.  Going back to the [days](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-day) of Steem, we see where the issue stems from.


Here is a [short](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-short-selling) clip of what was said by Howo, one of the core [developers](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-developer).


https://inleo.io/threads/view/lucidlucrecia/re-nisxkwyrwh?referral=lucidlucrecia


This was a sentiment echoed by Blocktrades in one of his discussions.  He stated that the roadmap was laid present when the [fork](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-fork) took place back in 2020.  The team knew exactly what needed to be done.


Unfortunately, it is not a matter of just changing a few lines of code.  A lot was built over the last few [years](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-year), with more to come.


My observation is that the [base layer](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-base-layer-blockchain) is designed to be as efficient as possible.  This means moving activity elsewhere.


## Hive application Framework (HAF)


One of the biggest moves in this direction might be the development of HAF. This is a [layer 2](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-layer-2) [server](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-server-computer) system that frees the nodes from many of the calls from the applications.


By creating this layer, nodes that have [blockchain](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/blockchain) information (read databases) can be accessed.  This means the [data](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-data) is pulled from the blockchain by the HAF nodes but the engagement with the applications is with the HAF server.  This lightens the load on the main nodes, freeing them up for other activities.


This might not be exciting stuff but look at the alternative.  How many years has [Ethereum](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-ethereum-blockchain) been working on scaling that network?  I think the update map was presented in 2017.  Here we are 7 years later and it is still being focused upon.


Naturally, this stuff takes [time](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-time).


It seems counterintuitive to worry about this now when there is no traffic.  Of course, the mantra by many is Hive is dead.  Here is a question:  do you think so much effort would be placed by the development team if it was going nowhere?


They are well aware of the [technologies](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-technology) that are out there regarding [decentralization](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-decentralization), [open source](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-open-source), and Web 3.0.  We are not dealing with non-technical people who are not aware of what the challenges of the industry are.


The best developers from the [cypherpunk](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-cypherpunk) era worked hard on a decentralized [consensus](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-consensus) system that could be applied to [money](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-money).  For two decades, all attempts failed under [Satoshi Nakamoto](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-satoshi-nakamoto) broke the code. 


Unfortunately, as revolutionary as that was, it did not scale.


To me, that is fine.  A network like that can have its place.  However, that is not going to be for the masses.


Of course, we are looking at so much more.  HAF is dealing with activities (and data) other than just financial.  In fact, much of Hive's future is outside the bounds of [finance](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-finance).  


Web 3.0, in my estimation, is going to be about [AI](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-artificial-intelligence).  What this is means is the activity is going to skyrocket.  The same is true of Web 2.0.  We can already see the amount of inference compute that is required.


In other words, everyone is looking at scaling.


## Millions of AI Agents


The idea of millions of users leads people to conclude that we are talking about [humans](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-human).


When it comes to transactions, humans are of minimal impact as compared to machines.  The amount of activity that comes from computer-to-computer engagement is of no comparison.


What happens if Hive has millions of AI agents?  This is something that we much consider.


If the future is based, at least in part, on AI, then we must see this operate and be tied to blockchain.  After all, few want it held exclusively by Big Tech.


Here is where open source and decentralization if crucial.  However, to be a factor, Hive has to be able to handle the [volume](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-volume).


Howo said something very important: he felt that [Steemit](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-steem-blockchain) was trying to build on top of an unstable foundation.  


This is a key point.  If the base is not capable of operating in a efficient manner, it doesn't matter what is developed on top.  It will end up suffering performance issues which will only drive users, developers and [entrepreneurs](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-entrepreneur) away.


All of this has to be considered.  The fact that so much attention is being given to scaling means that being able to handle the future activity is being addressed.


Waiting this out is not exciting stuff but then [building](https://inleo.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-building-structure) a foundation rarely is.


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@allentaylor ·
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It sounds like you're saying Hive would benefit by becoming an AI content and automated upvoted farm.
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@bitcoinflood ·
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@bitcoinflood "I mean that's what steem is and it's doing just as..."
I mean that's what steem is and it's doing just as well

Steem - 78.8 Million
SBD - 33.9 Million

Hive - 83 Million
HBD - 34 Million
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@allentaylor · 
There are certainly people who would prefer that set up, but would Hivians? Would it serve the marketplace well for both platforms to succumb to that?
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@darkcloaks ·
Thank you for your post!
Hi, @bitcoinflood,

This post has been voted on by @darkcloaks because you are an active member of the Darkcloaks gaming community.

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@bitcoinflood ·
@bitcoinflood "The best and ONLY way to scale is to build stuff p..."
The best and ONLY way to scale is to build stuff people want to use.
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@quigua ·
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Not really. The only and best way to scale is to build things that machines or bots prefer to use. Humans are a very small percentage of internet users.  In fact, the surface web, which is what can be accessed through a browser such as Chrome, Mozilla, Bing, etc. , which is what humans use, does not even reach 5% of the real content on the Internet. Not even when you include more than 5 billion internet users. 
Automations are the real users and the main reason why these networks are built, and it is what really keeps the world running...
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@bitcoinflood ·
@bitcoinflood "lol this is actully very true..."
lol this is actully very true
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@bpcvoter1 · 
Let's delve into the Builda whale farm on the Hive, Gogreenbuddy, who is also colloquially known as the Marky mark USAINVOTE UPMYVOTE IPROMOTE PUNKTEAM and 100's more if not thousands this individual has asserted that his intentions behind this initiative are driven by a desire to contribute positively to the community. Now, let's explore what he is earning on a monthly basis from this venture.  income is said to be generated through the use of multiple alternative accounts, which he utilizes to cast votes in favor of his own shit content. The community seems to have mixed feelings about this practice many are scared to speak up.  

Are you ready to delve deeper into this topic and uncover more insights? If so, let's proceed. It's time to wake up and gain a clearer understanding of the situation at hand.


Buildawhale 

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The Marky mark

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Usainvote

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Apeminingclub

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Gogreenbuddy

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[On Hive a significant issue exists with automatic upvotes consistently rewarding the same individuals day in and day out](https://www.bilpcoin.com/undefined/@bpcvoter1/on-hive-a-significant-issue-exists-with-automatic-upvotes-consistently-rewarding-the-same-individuals-day-in-and-day-out)


[We want to address the issue of downvoting. It has caused pain to many people, and we want to make sure it doesn't happen again  reply to @jacobtothe](https://www.bilpcoin.com/undefined/@bpcvoter1/we-want-to-address-the-issue-of-downvoting-it-has-caused-pain-to-many-people-and-we-want-to-make-sure-it-doesn-t-happen-again)

[On Hive a significant issue exists with automatic upvotes consistently rewarding the same individuals day in and day out](https://www.bilpcoin.com/undefined/@bpcvoter1/on-hive-a-significant-issue-exists-with-automatic-upvotes-consistently-rewarding-the-same-individuals-day-in-and-day-out)

[We hope that those who genuinely care about Hive will reconsider their actions, as continuing down this path could inadvertently harm innocent users who are unaware of these issues](https://www.bilpcoin.com/undefined/@bpcvoter1/we-hope-that-those-who-genuinely-care-about-hive-will-reconsider-their-actions-as-continuing-down-this-path-could-inadvertently)


[lol the Marky mark keeps dreaming](https://www.bilpcoin.com/undefined/@bpcvoter1/lol-the-marky-mark-keeps-dreaming)



[There's been a notable increase in frustration and concern among many users](https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@bpcvoter1/there-s-been-a-notable-increase-in-frustration-and-concern-among-many-users)

[Reply 2 @crimsonclad You may consider yourself clever](https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@bpcvoter3/reply-2-crimsonclad-you-may-consider-yourself-clever)



[Reply to @crimsonclad](https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@bpcvoter3/reply-to-crimsonclad)


[Consider revising the value plan, as it's not providing significant benefits to HIVE](https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@bpcvoter3/consider-revising-the-value-plan-as-it-s-not-providing-significant-benefits-to-hive)

[The Value Plan, as it stands, seems to be a one-sided relationship with the HIVE platform, where the benefits are one-way](https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@bpcvoter3/the-value-plan-as-it-stands-seems-to-be-a-one-sided-relationship-with-the-hive-platform-where-the-benefits-are-one-way)



[Actions indeed speak louder than words, a fact we've all observed individuals may talk a good game, a whole lot of shit, but their actions often expose their genuine nature LOL](https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@bilpcoinbpc/actions-indeed-speak-louder-than-words-a-fact-weve-all-observed-individuals-may-talk-a-good-game-a-whole-lot-of-shit-but-their-)


[We consider it unwise to engage in harmful actions, even if you think you can escape the repercussions](https://hive.blog/hive-158694/@bilpcoinbpc/we-consider-it-unwise-to-engage-in-harmful-actions-even-if-you-think-you-can-escape-the-repercussions)


https://hive.blog/politics/@jacobtothe/re-bpcvoter1-shjdc8


[The Hive Police aka Hivewatchers, are the real heroes of Hive LOL, aren't they?](https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@bpcvoter3/the-hive-police-aka-hivewatchers-are-the-real-heroes-of-hive-lol-aren-t-they)


[Feast your eyes on Hive's trending page, what a load of trash](https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@bpcvoter3/feast-your-eyes-on-hive-s-trending-page-what-a-load-of-trash)


[LoL it's the Hivewatchers Hive Police, dishing out orders like a bakery LOL! Folks, do what you want with your Hive power, just as you please. And you, Hivewatchers, downvote away, but remember, judgment day's coming](https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@bilpcoinbpc/lol-its-the-hivewatchers-hive-police-dishing-out-orders-like-a-bakery-lol-folks-do-what-you-want-with-your-hive-power-just-as-)


[Harry fam We're just here, laughing at the shenanigans on Hive! Sure, our content's getting downvoted, but hey, it's all part of the game LOL](https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@bilpcoinbpc/harry-fam-were-just-here-laughing-at-the-shenanigans-on-hive-sure-our-contents-getting-downvoted-but-hey-its-all-part-of-the)

https://hive.blog/hive-158694/@hivewatchers/shhnhs


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https://hive.blog/hivewatchers/@bpcvoter/shqkqc


[On Hive, there's a user who frequently burns a significant amount of Hive LOL with his own accounts](https://www.bilpcoin.com/undefined/@bpcvoter1/on-hive-there-s-a-user-who-frequently-burns-a-significant-amount-of-hive-lol-with-his-own-accounts)



[How To Fool An Entire Population](https://hive.blog/hive-158694/@bilpcoinbpc/how-to-fool-an-entire-population)


[it's so, so concerning to see Blocktrades delegating 2+ million Hive power to Buildawhale, and Buildawhale is downvoting legitimate content](https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@bilpcoinbpc/its-so-so-concerning-to-see-blocktrades-delegating-2-million-hive-power-to-buildawhale-and-buildawhale-is-downvoting-legitimat)


https://youtu.be/8VcSzCGbpoE


[We began sharing factual information following unwarranted downvotes on Hive it's all in the transactions](https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@bpcvoter1/we-began-sharing-factual-information-following-unwarranted-downvotes-on-hive-it-s-all-in-the-transactions)


[Upon examining our posts, you will notice they have been downvoted, and we've been labeled as scammers and spammers, which we find amusing. We consistently share new content](https://hive.blog/hive-148441/@bilpcoinbpc/upon-examining-our-posts-you-will-notice-they-have-been-downvoted-and-weve-been-labeled-as-scammers-and-spammers-which-we-find-)




[Once again, we ask why is our legit content being downvoted on Hive and what is the reason behind it. Hivewatchers ADM spaminator  steemcleaners guiltyparties logic ](https://hive.blog/hive-158694/@bilpcoinbpc/once-again-we-ask-why-is-our-legit-content-being-downvoted-on-hive-and-what-is-the-reason-behind-it-hivewatchers-adm-spaminator)



[We have Hive witnesses farming Hive, self-voting, operating comment farms, and self-funding projects with community resources](https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@bpcvoter1/we-have-hive-witnesses-farming-hive-self-voting-operating-comment-farms-and-self-funding-projects-with-community-resources)



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@daniasi ·
@daniasi "The issue of scalability should be address very ea..."
The issue of scalability should be address very early. I admire that developers are already working on this. Waiting till hive gets a million user attention will be a big blow. It's better opportunity meets preparedness. More elbow to the developing team
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@elementm · 
As a non technical user I really don't think much about scaling unless it's brought to my attention like this. If anything we're fortunate that Hive didn't explode in popularity too soon and attract more users than it could handle. If that had happened, no amount of fixing afterward would erase the memory of this whole thing being a waste of time.
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@fredaig · 
The fact that hive is still alive is a combine effort, steemit was all about what to take from the table and not what to give to the table. But what do you think is the sustainability of hive?
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@geneeverett · 
It just doesn’t make any sense to make claims like Bitcoin won’t scale when it’s clearly the king in the space.  Hive and bitcoin complement one another.  Trying to put Hive up against Bitcoin is such a mistake
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@nozem01 · 
Not exciting maybe but definitely important - and good this is being addressed.
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@uter · 
I speak from my perspective as a new member on the platform, I do not see much being done to attract new users. In addition, old users are well positioned, and it is very difficult for new ones to succeed, which causes demotivation and abandonment of the platform. Now, looking from the point of view of increasing AI agents, it would be something to consider the expansion of the network.
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@geneeverett · 
New user growth is abysmal unfortunately.  I’m a big supporter and user of our platform. But when people ignore the obvious it’s not helpful. It’s especially not helpful to aim nonsense claims that Bitcoin isn’t scaling.  Hive and bitcoin are allies not enemies.
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@uter ·
$0.02
Totally agree, the two were designed for different things.
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