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The Real Value Of Hive And Why It Has A Future
Many want to cast stones at Hive.  There are an assortment of people who feel Hive has no future and will never go anywhere.

This simply is not the case.  In fact, as we will see, this [network](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-network) is actually more powerful than many out there.  Yes, it is true, the best [technology](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-technology) does not always win.  However, when it is radically different from all else that is taking place, we can see a major opportunity

Stripping Hive down to its bare essence reveals why it is at the core of [Web 3.0](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-web-3-0).  

So let us get started.



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# Decentralized Database

This is something we covered quite often so no need to go into all the details.

What is most important is blockchain using [distributed ledger technology (DLT)](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-distributed-ledger-technology-dlt).  This is similar to [Bitcoin](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-bitcoin) in the sense [transactions](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-transaction) are record and copied on a large number of unrelated nodes.

In Hive's case, it is more than 100.

Unlike Bitcoin, the base layer allows for more than the writing of [financial](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-finance) transactions.  Instead, people can store extended text in the different [blocks](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-block).  The best way to think about this is the Bitcoin [ledger](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-ledger) resembles a bank whereas Hive is more in line with most [Web 2.0](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-web-2-0) applications.  We can see data like social media giants Facebook, Medium, and [Wikipedia](https://leofinance.io/@taskmaster4450/building-wikipedia-on-hive).  

Another key feature is the permissionless nature.  Anyone can write to Hive as long as enough [Resource Credits](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-resource-credits-rc) are available.  Setting up [databases](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-database) on other blockchains means the incursion of [transaction fees](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-transaction-fee).  This might not be a major issue for the establishment of the database but all ongoing activity will be affected.

# "Free" To Utilize

Obviously we know nothing is free.  There is a cost somewhere.  

That said, Hive is free in the sense a library is free to utilize.  There is no cost to the users.

An example of this is [Podping](https://leofinance.io/@podping). While there are likely some expenses associated with the operations, there is no cost for the database it is using on Hive.

If, for example, this was built on AWS, there would be a monthly [expense](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-expense) for the servers.  Instead, there is no fee since writing to Hive, once again, is dependent upon the Resource Credits.

Couple that with no transaction fees and we see how a service like Podping might not be feasible any other way.  Even if it was, the cost would be greatly increased.

Ultimately, what we are dealing with are projects that provide utility yet are unowned.  The [data](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-data) is meant to be used, freely, by others.  In this sense it is a service for others.  Podping provides updates of podcasting, without charge nor control, to [applications](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-application) that offer that broadcasts to their users.

Hive is open [infrastructure](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-infrastructure-computer) that allows this to take place.

# Who Controls The Data

A lot of the negatives we see regarding the [Internet](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-internet) and digitization comes down to controlling of data.  We know how the Mega-Tech compiles users data and monetizes it for their own gain.  It is also understood how we are at the mercy of these entities when on their platform.

All of this stems, it appears, from the database.  When we look at the power of Facebook, Google, and some of the others, they control the years of information garnered through the use of the applications.  We also see how they also control the accounts.

With [Hive](https://leofinance.io/@crypto-guides/what-is-hive-crypto-hive) this does not exist.  Anyone with an account, as long as the [private keys](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-private-key) are kept safe, is fully in control.  Thus, one's digital life cannot be eliminated.

Anyone that writes to Hive is not in control of the data.  In fact, it is open for any other [developer](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-developer) to tap into.  Going back to the library, the books are free to anyone who wants to check them out.  With Hive, the data is there for anyone to use.

Try that with Facebook.  

# People Don't Care...But They Do

Many like to say that people do not care.  They will keep doing the same thing regardless of the negative consequences.

This is true to a point.  However, history is littered with examples where we did not care, but then we did.

There was a time we did not mind manually rolling down the windows.  Or standing in line at the [bank](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-bank) to deposit our paycheck.  Not too long ago, people were perfectly content to drive to the video store to rent a movie.

As we know, all of this is obsolete.

It might not be a case where people do not care.  Instead, we might be facing a situation where they lack a viable alternative.

That does not mean, of course, that things will change overnight.  It took a couple decades for electric windows to become the norm.  Automatic deposits of checks was another area where embracing was slow.  The same is true of video conferencing.

Yet, in spite of the time, we can see how the transition took place.

# Incentivized "Free" Infrastructure

One of the powerful aspects of Web 3.0 is the ability, through [cryptocurrency](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/cryptocurrency), to [incentivize](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-incentivize) people to provide infrastructure.  This is a radical concept.  

With Hive, each [block producer](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-block-producer) is spending [money](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-money) on [node](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-node) to run the software.  The reason one is willing to do this is the [block rewards](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-block-reward) that are paid.  As long as the incentive is in place, people will keep things running.

Naturally, there might be other motives in place.  For many, running a node for the network isn't a major [profit](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-profit) generator.  In fact, many operate at a loss or just barely break even.  Nevertheless, since those people have stake in the system, they do it.  The payout comes from elsewhere.

From this foundation, we see the ability to develop [Layer 2](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-layer-2) games and applications.  This can go in any direction.  Hive provides a fast, feeless experience at the base layer.  One only needs to acquire some [stake](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-staking) to operate.

With [smart contract](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-smart-contract) capability starting to emerge, we can see how projects will be able to generate tokens, integrate [DeFi](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-decentralized-finance-defi) features, and create ways to use the data that is being applied to Hive on a daily basis.

A lot of attention is still being paid to infrastructure.  This is taking place at both the base and secondary layers.  One of the keys is that Hive keeps [scaling](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-scability-scaling).  We know this is something a lot of chains are having issues with.

The only barometer in this equation in my mind is growth.  If Hive can continue to build out, we will see a growth rate that exceeds the [costs](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-cost) being paid for all this infrastructure.

Once that happens, there is absolutely no reason to stop running things.

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@bozz ·
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RE: The Real Value Of Hive And Why It Has A Future
> There are an assortment of people who feel Hive has no future and will never go anywhere.

I'm guessing the people that moved over to Blurt? :P  Good riddance.

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@taskmaster4450le ·
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RE: RE: The Real Value Of Hive And Why It Has A Future
Perhaps.

Or went back to Facebook.  I have no idea.  To me, this is the tortoise and the hare.


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I only had one problem with this post. It ended. Lol. I was loving it. And it seemed to end to quickly for me.

Education is the key. And I get it here.

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RE: RE: The Real Value Of Hive And Why It Has A Future
I will have to write The Real Value of Hive and Why It Has A Future Part II just for you.

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Lol. I would love that 😉

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@taskmaster4450le ·
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RE: RE: The Real Value Of Hive And Why It Has A Future
Which was a little over 2 years ago.  It seems like generations ago.

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@e43 · (edited)
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Last phrase is confusing.

> If Hive can continue to build out, we will see a growth rate that exceeds the costs being paid for all this infrastructure.

Wouldn't the cost of users maintaining a network increase also if user growth increases substantially?

How does growth equal cheaper?

What I thought was expected from most users is that if Hive grows then RCs become needed in large amounts making 'RC Delegation' lucrative and people say that the price of Hive will then rise.

So maybe costs of base layer decreases but then layer 2 enterprise pays a premium which could in effect limit growth.
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@taskmaster4450le ·
RE: RE: The Real Value Of Hive And Why It Has A Future
The cost of infrastructure is paid by the inflation of Hive.  This dilutes the holdings of those with Hive.  However, growth is a way this is offset.  

When a system grows faster than the inflation rate, it is generating more value for the coin or token.  With Hive, if we see a 20% increase in users while inflation is at 7%, then the value is increasing.

The question is whether the market realizes it or not but that is always a different story.

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@e43 ·
You didn't actually answer the question of costs to second layer enterprise. 

The inflation doesn't grant them 'compensation' from the get go so if RCs become expensive both by rental or due to growth of chain then there definitely will be a premium to participation.
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@jfang003 ·
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RE: The Real Value Of Hive And Why It Has A Future
I think Hive is great but I kind of want to see what will happen once we get more activity on chain. I was kind of bullish for WAX for similar reasons when I started over there, but Alien Worlds kicked up the price and how much you had to stake due to higher transaction volume.

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@taskmaster4450le ·
RE: RE: The Real Value Of Hive And Why It Has A Future
I cant speak for WAX but Blocktrades just had a post that talking about compression, all part of [the optimization of the data on chain](https://peakd.com/hive-139531/@blocktrades/12th-update-of-2022-on-blocktrades-work-on-hive-software).

So while there could be an increase in the cost of activity, there are ways for it to be offset.  

Hive has a lot of advantages to it.

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@joetunex ·
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RE: The Real Value Of Hive And Why It Has A Future
> There are an assortment of people who feel Hive has no future and will never go anywhere.

I've come across some of those and kept my distance, am actually going to publish an article about this tomorrow. 

Some might have the exposure to crypto and would expect them to look at things practically but clouded with myopic views and being a maximalist fails to see the potentials in other chain. 

> Hive is more in line with most Web 2.0 applications.

This is true, come to think of it, a lot easier for [Hive](https://leofinance.io/@crypto-guides/what-is-hive-crypto-hive) to win over the Web users, it will take that DApp to give Hive the much needed attention, until then lets keep building. 

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@taskmaster4450le ·
RE: RE: The Real Value Of Hive And Why It Has A Future
It is an undiscovered gem to me right now.  There is so much at the base layer (which keeps getting improved by the way) that we can really stand out.  Some are starting to buy in and make adjustments to that.

It is all about the foundation being built upon.  With Hive, it is strong.

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@josediccus ·
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RE: The Real Value Of Hive And Why It Has A Future
I thought I was the only one always worried about about the subsequent and futuristic cost of infrastructure. Apparently, that's why we need to constantly grow in all ramifications

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@taskmaster4450le ·
RE: RE: The Real Value Of Hive And Why It Has A Future
The cool thing about the [digital](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-digital) world is costs keep coming down over time.  

So running the infrastructure today is going to be more expensive, for the same amount, down the road.  Of course, the amount of data should grow over time.  So we will continually need to keep working at it.

That is why you have people like Blocktrades constantly trying to optimize different aspects of the base layer.



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@josediccus ·
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RE: RE: The Real Value Of Hive And Why It Has A Future
> The cool thing about the digital world is costs keep coming down over time.

This is true, for example, the cost of accessibility to the internet has  reduced and changed overtime, I guess this is how it is for the digital space in its entirety

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RE: The Real Value Of Hive And Why It Has A Future
In my personal opinion Hive is the best blockchain to spend time in and I cannot understand how the heck our userbase is still so small... Splinterlands runs laps around Axie infinity both in entertainment and profitability yet it completely flies under the radar of any mainstream content creator.
TONS OF CREATORS are crying on youtube/TikTok because they get demonetized or shadow banned yet they keep posting on mainstream platforms instead of coming to 3speak...
People complain Instagram Tik Tok and Facebook are making profits from selling their data or because they meddled with the elections, but do they switch? NO, they just keep on feeding the machine... FOR FREE.
Sorry for getting a little bit triggered but seeing so many people cry but doing nothing about it while there are better options like hive gets me rilled up.
Hive is so much better, I just hope someday the world sees it as I do! I will be around waiting...

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@taskmaster4450le ·
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RE: RE: The Real Value Of Hive And Why It Has A Future
I hear you.  It is rather sad that they do nothing more than complain and shut up when their accounts are reinstated. 

With Hive, the account is protected.  We are getting closer to the day where we will have something to offer out.

Hive is going to be a social media power house.  We have some things being built that will help out.

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@oblivioncubed ·
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Our infrastructure is honestly spectacular. We have some really amazing devs on chain working hard to keep us pushing things forward, and it's pretty fantastic to see. I'm really excited to see where we'll be in five years. 
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@taskmaster4450le ·
RE: RE: The Real Value Of Hive And Why It Has A Future
It is amazing the progress that was made since 2020 when Hive forked from Steem.

We are making some progress.

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@oblivioncubed ·
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Feels like we definitely took the vast vast majority of passionate devs with us, given how much we've built while they've stagnated. Pretty happy with how all that dumb bullshit has ended up all in all.
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@sapphirecrypto ·
RE: The Real Value Of Hive And Why It Has A Future
I must be honest, it's rather difficult to find a real issue as to why Hive will not succeed in the future. I generally play devil's advocate towards all of my investment ideas, so as to find real issues, or potential hurdles that could become significant. Hive definitely ranks quite highly in my opinion. 

I hope I'm right.

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@starstrings01 ·
RE: The Real Value Of Hive And Why It Has A Future
Talking about data taken by web 2 social network. They monetize these data to help know which ads to preview on a user page.. 

Does that what cookies mean on a site?

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@thelogicaldude ·
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This is just talking about the technical side of things, not to mention the human aspect behind Hive that is the true value. 

I see so much more actual community happening here, like intelligent thought where we are actually back to sharing ideas instead of just attacking each other. Not to say that doesn't happen, but I have been seeing a much more positive turn lately, even during the bear market. 

But yeah, the tech is important too, haha. 
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@taskmaster4450le ·
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RE: RE: The Real Value Of Hive And Why It Has A Future
As you know the tech is the foundation.  It allows all else to be built.  What Leofinance is coming out with is vital and only due to what is at the base layer.

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@thelogicaldude ·
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Oh for sure, we are all here because of what the tech can do, or at least the core. The rest come thinking it's easy gains, then get sucked down the rabbit hole, lol. 

Honestly during the last year, as I have explored other chains and ecosystems, Hive is by far and away, HOME for me. I am just trying to find ways to connect all the ecosystems together, lol. 
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@youngkedar98 ·
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RE: The Real Value Of Hive And Why It Has A Future
When <a href="https://leofinance.io/@crypto-guides/what-is-hive-crypto-hive">Hive </a> gains enough traction, early adopters will be handsomely rewarded. 

I think the current price doesn't really reflect the real value of Hive. But, many members are okay with that because they're visionaries, they see the potential the <a href="https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-technology">technology </a> has and what can be achieved with a steady and consistent growth path. 

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@taskmaster4450le ·
RE: RE: The Real Value Of Hive And Why It Has A Future
Price rarely reflects value, that is why markets are insane.

With Hive, we simply keep developing.  That is the important component.  In the end, that is where utility and growth will be derived from.

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@yousafharoonkhan ·
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my question is to,, there is possible to add 2FA  or phone code verification for withdraw fund, if any lost key,, before transaction, can phone number play role primary role as master key, , if a user lost key,, key hacked but phone number play 2fa , to verify withdraw , that possible or not for hive user as security
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@arcange ·
A 2FA feature is useless if you lose your key. A hacker doesn't need a wallet app to push transactions directly to the blockchain.
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@yousafharoonkhan ·
Yes respected..you are correct...i got my point.. Thank for great anser
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@emaxisonline ·
I think it is possible in Centralized Exchanges, where they add a 2FA in their own networks that give access to funds which are stored on their servers. But, it is hard to attach a 2FA on a decentralized network because it is does not store your account key in general, it just accesses them from your device. There are several decentralized nodes that simply validate a hash and store that data forever on each node. 

But, there is a a way you can recover keys, here is that article by @arcange https://hive.blog/hive/@arcange/introducing-hive-account-recovery
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@arcange ·
> it is hard to attach a 2FA on a decentralized network

The reason why this is not implemented has nothing to do with decentralization

> because it ... does not store your account key 

Yes it does, but the public key only.

> it just accesses them from your device.

No it doesn't. The network can't access a key stored on a device. The user signs transactions using keys stored on their device and then sends the signed transaction to the network.

> there is a way you can recover keys

hive.recovery is not a tool to recover **keys** but to recover your **account** (i.e. to assign **new keys** to your account with the help of your recovery account)<div class="pull-right"><a href="/@hive.engage">![](https://i.imgur.com/XsrNmcl.png)</a></div>
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@taskmaster4450le ·
RE: RE: The Real Value Of Hive And Why It Has A Future
That would have to be based upon the wallet.  Someone would have to build an external one.

As for the lost key, there is a recover account feature built into Hive.

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