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I think it is a big lie that a post is Trending if it was promoted using a bot. It should be in the Promoted rather #techslut

Hello Ilana

I would really like your consideration about the project that I am doing at steemhost.com (eg https://steemhost.com/@techslut). Instead of burning steem off it sops it up like a sponge. People buy advertisements using steem but it is distributed back in the form of steem power delegation to people who are visitors to the pages or the "hosts" (you are now a host) who have content featured on the site and select advertisements to appear on the pages. 

As an example:
![](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmNfzHfDZ7R4XErWi9tyVKvKQJ81RZ7qUfQzGVtuT9m4yb/image.png)

This particular advertisement  has been assigned a 0.01 payment if viewed and a 0.02 payment if the visitor clicks on it. A total of 6 steem was paid and there is 2.59 remaining payout balance. This is not rewarded in steem or steem dollars. This is rewarded as steem power delegation.
![](https://steemitimages.com/0x0/https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmeQNSyRUB9dpFQKj17pxSd7dL562bGB7JnZZxhd9dPRb1/image.png)
Our bot does the delegation once per day. So far over over 40 steem has been Powered Up and 15 steem has been Delegated away. 

Aside from initial teething pains, I can see one stumbling block to deal with. There is nothing to prevent me from cancelling all the delations (taking one week), powering down, (13 weeks) and escaping to some tropical island (slowest robbery in history).  I have a solution for this which could be something the steem design team could consider in the future. That would be to have the option to put a quantity of Steem Power into "trust". It could be delegated but could not be powered down. I will post about this in greater detail later. 

Aside from using steemconnect to authenticate users (whether as visitors or hosts) we have no need for posting (or other) keys on the steemhost site. 

I hope you can give what we are doing over at steemhost some consideration and make any suggestions as necessary.

disclaimer: This is turning into a huge late-night ramble, apologies I couldn't make it shorter.

I've been thinking about communities on here a lot, especially what makes them grow and thrive. It's kind of interesting times for that because we have a range of quality communities all in different states of growth.

So far, I haven't come up with a list of factors which are both *necessary* and *sufficient*, but it's certainly a huge boost for a community to have some serious steempower behind it, either in the form of a centralized account with a large upvote (usually from delegators) or powerful trail.

Incentivizing an ROI for delegation to communities makes *a lot* of sense then if one wants thriving, good content. It would be hard to capture numerically, but I am choosing to believe that the long-term investors would be ok with taking an ROI hit vs bidbots if it meant a stronger (and thus more profitable and long-lived) system. 

I, unfortunately, don' t have the problem of more SP than I know what to do with, but I'd like to think I'd choose to delegate to a curation/community centered account. I already sort of do that with @trufflepig, who gets about 10% of my incoming SP each week. I don't make enough for it to really affect their vote strength, but I like doing it because a) I really like the project and the gems it finds for me b) the ROI isn't amazing, but it's kind of fun to see those little returns in my wallet.

The major problem I see is that a lot of the nascent and smaller communities have trouble organizing - it's hard enough to get a core around a discord server with *maybe* a chatbot. Much harder, unless you're lucky, to build community driven vote bot (*e.g.* Stirner's in #steemstem) or massive back-end (utopian).

What you do see is that a lot of them have some sort of trail.  The difference being that it's extremely simple to set one up *and* show others how to sign up using a service like steemauto.

So, my sleep-addled conclusion is that for something like this to take off, it would be extremely useful to have a tool accessible by communities for easily setting up such a delegation/rewards system. As to *how* to implement it, well, one of the luxuries of rambling in a comment is that I don't have to fully bake my idea. ;)

that's actually quite an idea both the trending-promoting one as well as the passive income for the investors. I think as things continue like that it will only make things worse. Trending page is full of posts using bid-bots, the quality content is buried, the promoted page is buried and some whales keep on earning money without thinking that with practices like that  they help only themselves. People start going inactive, others leave the platform, steemit doesn't earn a single $ to use if again for the update of the platform or any other project regarding. At some point something needs to be done for the sake of the platform and to reach it's full potential and ofc for the sake of every steemit member.

The idea of delegating power is really wise. Not only they will earn money, their delegating power will actually help quality content of quality people

I have never once looked at promoted and just looked at trending starting this week. I've been here a year and just never went there, but now I see why people are upset. 

@trufflepig has a daily post to show what would be on trending without bots and it is an eyeopener. 

I think it would be a great idea to put bot-funded posts on promoted since that is what they are. As you say this, I do not know why it has not already been done.

I get the whole point. Yes it's really not helping the blockchain and it's a waste of time for the button being there. But let's face it, if para venture bidbots are eliminate or ‘burned’, honestly it'll bring down the number of both big and small investors. It's so obvious, that's the investment window for the blockchain and consider “burning” it may lead to the death of here, and steemit will only be a fun place like Facebook and Instagram.

That's a good way to go. In my app for those pages I simply hide content upvoted by any of the major bidbots. It almost looks barren, hehhe.

Yes I agree that delegating SP to good curation groups is the most constructive way to evolve the steem platform.

Steemit is only an app build on top of steem and ultimately it might make more sense to see more specialised steem apps emerging in the future.

For example, is Steemit the best platform for utopian-io or should utopian-io have its own app for promoting open source software?

Another thing maybe not to overlook is the possibility of corporate sponsoring. Is this a taboo subject or is there room on the steem platform for companies to sponsor open content?

Hello @techslut, Thanks for starting this discussion. Personally, I believe that steemit trending page needs a lot of work as many posts there are aided by a bot or does not even worth being on the trending page at all. Truth be told, I hardly navigate to steemit "Promotion" page and I am sure that 98% of steemit user don't either, however, some user still find themselves promoting their content for visibility using that feature which turns out to be a waste of time. 

> Imagine what would happen if the "Trending" tab was simply removed. Instead, we'd have "Hot", "New" (AKA Spamfeed) and "Promoted". If you're a bidbot investor, you might be sweating now. Don't worry, I have some ideas for you as well.

If the steemit trending page code is commented out, we will be left with "Hot", "New" and "Promoted". Judging from the current algorism of how steemit ranks authors post in the "Hot" tab, the new trending page would become "Hot". This still did not eliminate the problem.

A similar discussion was raised on  <a href="https://github.com/steemit/condenser/issues/1072">Github</a> and a PR has been sent <a href="https://github.com/steemit/condenser/pull/2908">here.</a> More ideas on how to get the trending tab fixed were discussed. Although the issue was closed but maybe reopen when they are ready to fix the  problem as mention <a href="https://github.com/steemit/condenser/issues/1072#issuecomment-344137157">here.</a>
I can remember, @utopian-io also offered to help fix this problem <a href="https://steemit.com/steemit/@utopian-io/contest-for-steemit-frontend-content-discovery-in-steemit-100-upvote-total-3k-bounties-available">here</a>, but it appears that this is tagged as low priority.

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Reviewing your contribution according to <a href="https://join.utopian.io/guidelines/#">utopian policies and guideline,</a> it appears that your contribution is more of an organizational process and not strictly on the technical aspect of the project.

> I've been giving this a lot of thought, but however I spin it, the answer seems obvious to me - delegating to curation initiatives and dApps. What if instead of investing in bidbots, the same passive whales delegated their power to curation initiatives like @curie , @steemstem and @utopian-io and other awesome initiatives that are popping up every day? They would still get an a positive ROI on their delegation, but would also be contributing to the growth of the Steem ecosystem.

This should be decided by individuals willing to support or invest in projects built on the steem blockchain. This part of your idea does not really affect the technical  functionality aspect of the project.

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I appreciate the fact that you took your time to start this discussion to see how the trending page could be fixed. Since you are submitting it via utopian, it would have been best if your idea toches the technical aspect of the project. Maybe by suggesting a new algorithm aided by a flow-chart diagram describing how the post should be sorted on the trending page without having to remove that function entirely. 

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This is a video by @stellabelle speaking with the Oracle.
Lol. Its so much fun.
https://youtu.be/sVS9ncnvf8g

I think _delegating to curation initiatives and dApps_ , you could also call them _Steem Sub-Communities_ is indeed the right way to go for the Steem platform. It incentivizes high quality content creation, distributes wealth in a fair manner, and connects people to those communities which positively influences retention rates. Just look at how @utopian-io has already formed a community!

Goal is that everyone wants to be a millionaire , but when you start on Steemit , you can make big galleries , upload nice pictures and still got only something like 5 cent reward .Feel so poor. I used bots couple of times , can you tell me which bots are good for community ?

As you have said, the Promoted page is pointless now and Trending is useless for finding good content. People tell me they have to buy votes to get noticed, but when some are spending hundreds of SBD it gets ridiculous. They don't even make much from doing so and the vote sellers are the ones getting rich. Okay so some of them distribute the rewards to those who delegate to them, but none of this is about quality content. It just turns into a bidding war to get to the top of the page as that's what most newbies will see.

For a while some whales were flagging some of the trending posts, but I'm not seeing that so much lately. 

You will see I'm using the #nobidbots tag on my posts to show my view. The pages for that tag have some good stuff on them that I will support.

> Alternatively, Steemit can choose to "burn" only some of the funds, while investing the rest in professional platform development, community activities, STEEM promotion on crypto-exchanges worldwide and a lot more. Either way, I would prefer my SBD investment in promotion end up in the hands of Steemit than in the pockets of passive whales. Wouldn't you?

Lack of funds isn't a problem Steemit Inc has.

There is actually some work being done on this:
https://github.com/steemit/condenser/pull/2908

TLDR: Mix in promoted posts between the trending posts shown on the trending page.

I would also appreciate an "official" way to promote content on Steemit other than buying votes from bid bots and making the bot operators rich ;) Improving the promoted function on Steemit which is already there, sounds like a great idea 👍

Totally agreed.