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· @themarkymark ·
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Proposal to return the 12 hour voting window gate
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Prior to **Hard Fork 20** there was a 12-hour window prior to payout that you could not upvote a post.  During this time you could still downvote, but you were unable to upvote.  This worked out to 6.5 days after a post was created.  This gave time to counter bad voting and abuse.

This change has made abuse fighting difficult and becomes a cat and mouse game with spammers.  Someone will downvote a post at 6.5 days for a few cents and then the spammer will follow it up with a $10 vote.

This has been an ongoing problem even on Steem.  It has been made worse by larger abusers skirting this window to avoid being flagged.  Unless a bot is made to instantly counter a vote, they can vote just after the 6.5-hour window, and depending on when a downvote comes by it may be a lot weaker than the same value upvote due to being further in the 12-hour window.  

Some abuse-fighters flag whatever rewards are on a post at fixed 6.5 days as it is the most efficient way to handle abuse.

The number of resources to monitor thousands of accounts and all their active posts is YUGE. When you can't work with a fixed time to safely flag abuse, it requires far more computational resources.

Another feature that was discussed in the past was to allow changing of votes without penalty.  Right now if you downvote 5% and want to change it to 10% you need to pay 15%.  This change would allow users to change their votes without incurring a penalty.  

The reason this was not allowed was to prevent voting a tiny insignificant amount on all posts and then raising the vote percentage on successful posts.  This isn't a problem if the curation rewards get reset on vote percentage changes.  It is rare that positive votes would use this feature and it would be most beneficial to downvotes. 

**My request is to return to the original algorithm where upvotes were no longer accepted after 6.5 days and downvotes behaved normally up to payout.**
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@abitcoinskeptic ·
This is the bestest Hive suggestion I've read all month...seriously.
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@bil.prag ·
sounds reasonable 
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@blocktrades ·
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At first glance, this seems like a reasonable reversion to earlier behavior. Does anyone know why the change was made in HF20? I was actually surprised to find it didn't still work the way you described, where the cutoff on upvotes was 6.5 days and downvotes were allowed for 7 days.
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@bobskibob · (edited)
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 Though uncommon, this created an opening for malicious users to wait until the lockout period to issue punitive downvotes so that they couldn’t be countered with upvotes.

Velocity will address this potential scenario by modifying the lock-out to a cool-down. After Velocity, upvotes and downvotes will both be allowed during the last 12 hours of the payout period, but their strength (for the same amount of voting power) will decrease linearly from 100% to 0% over that 12-hour period. In other words, it will take twice as much voting power to have the same impact on a post’s payout if the vote is done with only six hours left on the payout window instead of twelve. An upvote or downvote cast during the last minute would have virtually no impact on a post’s rewards.

This change will help ensure that no matter when a post receives an upvote or downvote, users will be able to counter-vote. This will also help to stabilize the potential payout of posts during the last 12 hours by decreasing the strength of votes as it gets closer to the payout time

https://github.com/steemit/steem/issues/1267
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@blocktrades · (edited)
Thanks for finding that! 

As far as I can tell, the reasoning is flawed, which is good, since I was concerned there was a better reason for the change that I wasn't aware of. It seems to ignore the inherent difficulty of countervoting a vote that is cast at the beginning of the last 12 hours, because someone finding that the post has been upvoted a couple of horus after the 12 hour period begins is at a serious disadvantage to the initial voter. The change that was made clearly favors the initial voter (either up or down) over later voters.

IMO, the original behavior was better as it favors the distribution of the reward pool over more posts rather than less posts (because it favors downvoting over upvoting) and it served as a better mechanism against abusive voting by large stakeholders to enrich themselves.
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@bobskibob ·
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So you want a free go with downvotes without the option of being corrected ? 

About the loss of % it’s only a problem when you have all the HP in one account. That’s why you need more than one account to fight abuse.  If fighting abuse is more important than gaining rewards divide the sp in multiple account or find people that would agree with your flags. 




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@enforcer48 ·
Large-stake abusers tend to vote past 6.5 days to ensure they will get something and makes it extremely difficult to clear them out. 
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@bobskibob · (edited)
it is stupid to vote on last minute ,,, it is not cost effective you would earn more if you just curate normally. 
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@codingdefined ·
A decent idea to fight abuse.
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@dksart ·
Sounds good to me
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@edicted ·
I don't really care either way. 
Just out of curiosity why did they take it away in the first place?  
This was part of the EIP? 
Weird.
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@bobskibob ·
because it was not fair :) and all the witnesses run the stincs code they agreed then 
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@enforcer48 ·
All because of a few bad actors with large stake. 
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@btcvenom ·
Who is doing this? Do we have a list?
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@enginewitty · (edited)
I think all votes matter up until payout so my vote is no to return it. This would ultimately lead to flag abuse in my opinion. I've caught several posts in the last few hours I wasn't aware of either and was able to smash some cents into it which helped the author in their just rewards. Just my $.02
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@ew-and-patterns · (edited)
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No upvotes allowed 24h before payout should not be a problem. Who upvotes after 6.5 days anyway, other than spammers? I have never done it.
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@bobskibob ·
those that don't care about curation reward 
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@droida ·
I did it.
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@valued-customer · (edited)
Free speech advocates countering censorship.  Allowing flags to be uncontested decreases the censorship resistance of Hive.  We see that spam is well controlled through flags, as are flying all over @michael35454's spam post above.  It would be tragic were our platform to enable censorship of unconventional opinions to be similarly effective.
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@fatimajunio ·
I support this idea, to fight the bad actors and abusers of the inflation pool. We have seen a lot this even back on Stinc
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@goldrooster · (edited)
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Hive will only grow if we stop downvoting for whatever good or bad reason. Abuse we have to live with. There are already posts about a witness downvoting a German goup , this harms the reputation of the new child so much….
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@enforcer48 ·
You mean the so called German group that voted to support theft of property?

Yeah, losing pending rewards is the least of their worries. 
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@bobskibob ·
I’m not part of any group but really we need to let go of that and move forward . That’s not an excuse to be downvoting people 
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@don-thomas ·
did somebody remember that these people who challenged this, the old top 20 witnesses and their supporters do the same with the stakes of JS, and 300 more like me. 
Get some light in your head, and think over what you wrote, why should  the people can´t have their own mind their own opinion, must the been justified for that?   
And what about the ones on Hive are they the better ones and don´t need to be fined the same way?
I guess your point of view is the very easy one.

Some guys here mixing up things, it´s not that easy ;)
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@inertia ·
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Are you suggesting that the *only* way to grow is to completely ignore bad content that gets upvoted?
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@tarazkp ·
Yes. Bad content to the moon!! Bad content is what everyone wants to see more of, bad is the new good. Bad content is badly needed. Downvotes should be used for good content so that bad content can get the visibility it deserves.
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@pfunk · (edited)
That German "group" is [mass comment spamming](https://hive.blog/@nesomi/comments), run by a [greedy douchebag who wanted people's Steem balances to be stolen](https://steempeak.com/the100daysofsteem/@greece-lover/q9kk8g), and is obviously not promoting Hive, but Steem instead, to whatever people might be a part of it.

So why should Hive be paying any rewards to @nesomi, again?
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@bluengel ·
@pfunk @likwid @adm

WTF F head idiot !

@actifit @mcfarhat actifit is hive based !
exchange AFIT token to upvoted

STOP DOWNVOTING TO ZERO PAYOUT u F*CKERS !
SHIT F*CKHEAD 
GO F*CK URSELF ! F*CKERS !
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@bluengel ·
@pfunk @likwid @adm

WTF F head idiot !

@actifit @mcfarhat actifit is hive based !
exchange AFIT token to upvoted

STOP DOWNVOTING TO ZERO PAYOUT u F*CKERS !
SHIT F*CKHEAD 
GO F*CK URSELF ! F*CKERS !
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@bobskibob ·
im curious  are you downvoting him because he is doing something wrong. or because he likes justing sun ?
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@don-thomas ·
you challenged it ;)
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@goldrooster ·
I do not know the history but now see another person don-thomas complaining about censorship. I just wanna say this is bad publicity for the future of hive.
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@nesomi · (edited)
I have always thought that the users of HIVE decide which contribution is rewarded and which is not. But it seems that some people decide to show them, or even just one.

Just because the founder of the non-profit organization is on Steem and still active in HIVE, the account is destroyed ?

We now have no other option than to inform hundreds of posts every day. I know it's considered spam, but you leave us no choice. However, we will try to delete the comment automatically after 10 minutes so that it no longer disturbs you. But the users of HIVE must be informed about how individual witnesses abuse their power here.

We also have friends in the groups where we have been accused of lying. And surely the witness is also deprived of the vote that he falls back even more places.

This is not the way to deal with users just because they disagree with the opinion of some witnesses.




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@steem-bootcamp ·
Since the @nesomi account was destroyed by @pfunk, here is his contribution

I have always thought that the users of HIVE decide which contribution is rewarded and which is not. But it seems that some people decide to show them, or even just one.

Just because the founder of the non-profit organization is on Steem and still active in HIVE, the account is destroyed ?

We now have no other option than to inform hundreds of posts every day. I know it's considered spam, but you leave us no choice. However, we will try to delete the comment automatically after 10 minutes so that it no longer disturbs you. But the users of HIVE must be informed about how individual witnesses abuse their power here.

We also have friends in the groups where we have been accused of lying. And surely the witness is also deprived of the vote that he falls back even more places.

This is not the way to deal with users just because they disagree with the opinion of some witnesses.

![](https://i.imgur.com/sleOd2c.png)
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@steem-bootcamp ·
Because of this conversation on Steem, @pfunk destroyed the account of @nesomi. Their only connection was that the founder of the organization NesoMi had a fight with @pfunk in a conversation on Steem. Now decides itself, did @pfunk abuse its power as a witness on HIVE ?

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@steevc ·
Why should we live with abuse? Downvotes are perfectly valid and were designed into Steem to prevent abuse. Of course they can be used maliciously, but we value the freedom to do that we like. By all means name that witness and people can decide whether they deserve support.
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@don-thomas · (edited)
> By all means name that witness and people can decide whether they deserve support.

yeah @steevc that´s what I do ! Name them ! Like @pfunk this is censorship and abuse and this has to be stopped.
To do something like this just to force someone to accept his opinion is wrong. this is also abusive with witnesses and especially there.
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@goldrooster ·
The evidence of my argument is the unviable size of steem and hive compared to other platforms. A for the downvoting war in Germany you can read here https://hive.blog/deutsch/@nesomi/abuse-of-power-and-lies-of-hive-witness-pfunk-or-machtmissbrauch-and-luegen-des-hive-zeugen-pfunk#@nesomi/re-pfunk-qbsvfr

I am not involved but the "victim" started sending replies to hundreds of new posts with his cpmplaints.  
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@gregory-f ·
I agree, the 12 hour window should be brought back.
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@i-am-danger ·
Shut up you bloody motherfucker @themarkymark . you are real abuser of hive.. spam fighter word not suit on you and your mouth. you are biggest spammer ever on hive bloody motherfucker. you bloody pig upvoting @berniesanders shit and 1 word written post by your shitty bot @buildawhale. you can just target small and poor users.. where is decentralization? you are targeting small people and praising and supporting big people even they doing serious crime??? show me just one post where you supported original and quality post of any new users who deserve. you are just upvoting shitty post you so called spam fighter. this is called decentralization ? you are killing decentralization of hive . and yes you are racist too.. get lost..and who the hell is upvoting this scammer as a witness? 
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@jacobtothe ·
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I support this idea. I didn't know the window was ever removed, to be honest. And now that we can tip old posts past payout, the loss of that last 12 hours of upvotes is lessened. 
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@logiczombie ·
> And now that we can tip old posts past payout,

Wait, how does this work?
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@enforcer48 ·
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PeakD has a function where you can transfer directly to posts past payout and 1% of it will be burned at @null.

Tipping like this has always been available manually, but most people never bothered for whatever reason.
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@jacobtothe ·
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If you use the PeakD interface, it adds a tipping icon along with the upvote and downvote options.
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@jacobtothe ·
Really? You're gonna spam *here?*
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@valued-customer · (edited)
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The fact you did not notice the change reveals it is unnecessary to restore the former state.  We should take careful note of the decrease of users that Hive is impacted by and be extremely protective of new users in order to rectify that loss to our community.  

Reducing the ability of free speech advocates to counter attempts to censor narratives by the same mechanism used by Spaminator to discourage spam will result in decreased user retention, which prevents growth of Hive.  

Presently spam is under control, as you demonstrate above, but we very much lack the growth in new users necessary.  I suggest that our current needs are not to facilitate censorship, but to better protect against it, which this proposal is contrary to.
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@bobskibob ·
![wtf.jpg](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/bobskibob/uK52bB08-wtf.jpg)

stupid question is this my doing , or marks setting 
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@jacobtothe ·
The fact that I did not notice only shows I have not been looking for the change.
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@themarkymark ·
Downvotes are mainly for reward disagreement, either spam or otherwise.  There are a lot of users who are abusing the 6.5-day window.

Removing rewards does not impact free speech.
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@lebey1 ·
I think think this will make everything a little bit more balanced 
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@logiczombie ·
Upvoting and downvoting should be 100% symmetrical.

Any kind of restrictions (time allowed, number, frequency) placed on upvoting should also apply to downvoting.

Any kind of restrictions (time allowed, number, frequency) placed on downvoting should also apply to upvoting.

Giving one type of vote any "advantage" over the other creates a systemic imbalance.

Perfect symmetry between the voting types should be preserved at all costs.
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@mahdiyari ·
I support this change.
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@marki99 ·
I support it. 
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@markkujantunen ·
Supported.
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@mindtrap ·
I second the idea. Even though I doubt that many accounts have the ability to cast a 10$ vote, let alone being an abuse account. 

But ya, overall it would help to fight spam and abuse
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@revisesociology ·
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It sounds like a decent idea, I guess the only problem is the larger accounts who use their downvotes in a retaliatory way against smaller accounts, then again I guess community accounts could just pre-empt and 'heal' on the next post? 
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@droida ·
It would be too late, the free speech post visibility can't be healed.
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@anthonyadavisii ·
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We can identify the worst offenders and perhaps petition the front end devs to mitigate it at the UI level. I think it would be a glorious FU to abusive flaggers for them to make their downvotes make the post more visible. That would be tits
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@rollie1212 ·
Full support here 
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@spaminator ·
Spaminator aka "some abuse-fighters" is in full support.
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@bpcvoter3 ·
**A Wake-Up Call: Accountability and Redemption in the Hive Ecosystem**  

To those who believe their actions on the Hive blockchain go unnoticed, it’s time to confront the truth. The power you think you wield through downvotes, vote farming, and manipulation is an illusion. True strength lies in doing what’s right, not in exploiting systems for personal gain or silencing others out of fear.  

---

### **1. The Illusion of Power Through Exploitation**  
If you’re downvoting critics, running coordinated farms, or hoarding influence to control rewards, ask yourself: *What does this say about your character?* Manipulating Hive’s reward system doesn’t make you powerful—it exposes vulnerabilities. It shows a reliance on unethical tactics to feel significant in a space that was meant to empower everyone equally.  

But here’s the reality: these actions won’t bring lasting satisfaction. At night, when you’re alone with your thoughts, do you truly believe what you’re doing is right? Regret has a way of lingering, and no amount of HIVE tokens can silence the voice inside telling you there’s a better path.  

---

### **2. The Ripple Effect of Your Actions**  
Your choices don’t just harm Hive—they affect the people around you. Your online friends may follow along now, but loyalty built on shaky foundations crumbles quickly. And what about your family? Do they understand how much energy you pour into behaviors that ultimately hurt others and yourself?  

Every action has consequences, and the deeper you dig, the harder it becomes to climb out. You’re not just harming Hive—you’re pulling those close to you into a cycle of negativity and regret. Is it worth it?  

---

### **3. Change Before It’s Too Late**  
The Bilpcoin team isn’t here to attack individuals—we’re here to spark change. We’ve seen the evidence, and we know the impact of manipulative practices. But we also believe in redemption. There’s still time to step back, reflect, and choose a different path.  

Ask yourself:  
- What legacy do you want to leave on Hive?  
- How will you feel years from now looking back at how you treated others?  
- Wouldn’t it feel better to contribute positively rather than exploit and divide?  

Hive deserves better. So do you.  

---

### **4. Strength Lies in Doing What’s Right**  
Real power comes from integrity, not manipulation. Instead of focusing on how many tokens you can farm or how many users you can silence, consider how you can add value to the ecosystem. Create meaningful content, support genuine contributors, and advocate for reforms that benefit everyone—not just a select few.  

If you continue down your current path, remember this: you are being watched. Many stay silent, but they see everything. Blockchain data doesn’t lie, and accountability always comes knocking—whether today, tomorrow, or years from now.  

---

### **5. A Final Plea: Fix What Needs Fixing**  
It’s never too late to change course. Stop the farming, stop the toxicity, and start contributing to Hive in ways that uplift rather than tear down. If you’re struggling with why you’ve chosen this path, take a moment to reflect. Seek help if needed—there’s no shame in admitting you’ve lost your way.  

The Hive community is watching, waiting, and hoping for positive change. Will you rise to the occasion, or will you let regret define your journey? The choice is yours.  

---  
**From the Bilpcoin Team:** We’re committed to helping Hive thrive by exposing the truth and fostering transparency. Let’s work together to build a stronger, fairer ecosystem—one where everyone has a chance to succeed.  

*What will your next move be?*

**Addressing the Downvote Issue on Hive: It’s Time for Real Change**

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Let’s cut through the noise and address one of the most pressing issues holding Hive back from reaching its full potential: **abusive downvotes**. The Bipcoin team has consistently exposed the systemic problems that stifle growth on this platform, yet little to no action has been taken. If Hive is to thrive, we must confront these challenges head-on instead of engaging in empty discussions that lead nowhere.

Hive cannot grow if nothing changes. How can new users and smaller creators flourish when they are constantly suppressed by those who exploit the system? Many so-called “whales” contribute nothing meaningful to the ecosystem—instead, they focus solely on farming rewards through manipulative tactics like mass self-voting, spam content, or coordinated downvoting campaigns. These actions discourage genuine participation and erode trust within the community.  

Blockchain transactions don’t lie. We’ve seen firsthand the shady methods used to game the system—whether it’s creating alt accounts to amplify votes, orchestrating downvote brigades, or hoarding influence without giving back to the network. Why does this behavior continue unchecked? Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words, and until concrete steps are taken to address these abuses, Hive will struggle to move forward.

We have repeatedly presented evidence of these practices, not to divide but to demand accountability. The truth is out there for anyone willing to look at the data. Yet, despite our efforts, the cycle persists. Today, we’re asking again: Can we finally talk about the real issues plaguing Hive? And more importantly, can we take decisive action to protect the integrity of this platform?

Do not let bullies destroy what makes Hive special. Abuse of power through downvotes and manipulation harms everyone—creators, curators, and the community as a whole. It’s time to fight back against these toxic practices and create an environment where all voices can be heard and rewarded fairly.  

The Bipcoin team remains committed to exposing the truth and advocating for meaningful change. But we can’t do it alone. Together, let’s push for solutions that ensure Hive becomes a place of opportunity, fairness, and growth—for everyone.  

Enough talk. Let’s see action.

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Also known as HP or Hive Power. Powers governance, voting and rewards. Increases at an APR of approximately: ~13.07%

An unstake (power down) is scheduled to happen in 5 days (~4,742.795 HIVE, remaining 12 weeks)
61,991.841
Tot: 2,404,544.432
Delegated HIVE
Staked tokens delegated between users.
+2,342,552.591
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 Received: 2,342,553 HP
@blocktrades	2,342,494 HP	Aug 16, 2020
@nwjordan	24 HP	May 27, 2018

We’ve exposed the truth repeatedly with **ironclad evidence**:  

- [@themarkymark’s $2.4M scam farm](https://www.publish0x.com/the-dark-side-of-hive/the-scam-farm-kingpin-at-themarkymark-s-24m-hive-power-grift-xqqxqpp).  
- [@buildawhale’s daily grift](https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@bpcvoter3/uncovering-the-buildawhale-scam-farm-a-call-for-transparency-on-hive-blockchain).  
- [@jacobtothe’s downvote army](https://www.publish0x.com/the-dark-side-of-hive/at-jacobtothe-s-downvote-army-and-at-buildawhale-s-scam-farm-xdkeqny).  

- **Downvote Army:** Silencing truth-tellers like Bilpcoin.  
- **Reward Yourself:** Collecting daily paychecks from @buildawhale.

https://hive.blog/hive-124838/@themarkymark/re-jacobtothe-st6rk4

https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@usainvote/re-buildawhale-s6knpb

https://peakd.com/hive-124838/@bpcvoter1/st7wu1

https://peakd.com/hive-126152/@bpcvoter1/jacobtothe-you-re-not-god-no-matter-how-much-you-try-to-act-like-it-you-can-say-what-you-want-but-the-truth-remains-undeniable

https://peakd.com/hive-163521/@bpcvoter3/jacobtothe-this-was-way-over-rewarded-and-we-need-to-call-it-out-you-made-significant-rewards-from-a-post-that-was-created-using

https://peakd.com/hive-126152/@bpcvoter3/jacobtothe-let-s-address-the-core-issue-here-facts-speak-louder-than-rhetoric-we-ve-presented-verifiable-evidence-that

https://peakd.com/hive-126152/@bpcvoter3/think-carefully-about-your-next-move-because-this-issue-is-bigger-than-any-one-of-us-the-downvote-abuse-scamming-and-farming-by

https://hive.blog/hive-180505/@jacobtothe/re-denmarkguy-st9f4w

https://hive.blog/hive-124838/@themarkymark/re-peaksnaps-starqg


https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@darknightlive/re-bpcvoter2-bpc-dogazz

https://hive.blog/hive-126152/@tobetada/my-first-shitstorm#@azircon/re-tobetada-stbswq

https://hive.blog/hive-124838/@acidyo/re-themarkymark-stbthn

https://peakd.com/hive-168088/@bpcvoter3/jacobtothe-it-seems-we-re-going-in-circles-here-so-let-s-clarify-things-once-and-for-all-downvotes-don-t-erase-the-truth-the

https://peakd.com/hive-126152/@bpcvoter3/uwelang-it-seems-you-re-dismissing-the-discussion-without-engaging-with-the-actual-content-that-s-unfortunate-because-the

https://peakd.com/hive-121566/@bpcvoter1/std7q6

https://peakd.com/@uwelang/re-uwelang-stc2c3

https://hive.blog/hive/@themarkymark/what-the-fuck-do-witnesses-do-dk1

https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@usainvote/re-buildawhale-s5tysw

https://hive.blog/hive-124838/@steevc/re-meno-stdsv6

https://hive.blog/life/@crimsonclad/re-oldsoulnewb-sh93a2
You Can't Downvote The Truth Mc Franko Bpc Ai Music

https://youtu.be/dt5NeCofqwM

https://youtu.be/r1Yo-4fwjik

https://hive.blog/hive-126152/@jacobtothe/re-galenkp-stekn4

https://hive.blog/hive-126152/@jacobtothe/re-galenkp-steiss

https://hive.blog/hive-124838/@themarkymark/re-peaksnaps-sterpt

https://youtu.be/dt5NeCofqwM


https://youtu.be/YvF7Tm-w3kQ

https://youtu.be/hBRluPW2M8s

https://hive.blog/hive-124838/@acidyo/re-web-gnar-stfc6c 

https://hive.blog/mallorca/@azircon/re-abh12345-stfbyk

https://youtu.be/mQdgnt_45lU?list=PLbH29p-63eW8RYYWw4wUNG87fDpzVma-c

https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@uwelang/hpud-march-back-over-110k-hp

https://youtu.be/5wEl6BaB2RM


https://hive.blog/burnpost/@buildawhale/1742569802434998164

https://hive.blog/burnpost/@buildawhale/1742656202460243008

https://hive.blog/hive-124838/@themarkymark/re-peaksnaps-sti6pr

https://youtu.be/8zfuGpoO5do

https://hive.blog/hive-124838/@themarkymark/re-peaksnaps-stkfjj

https://hive.blog/burnpost/@buildawhale/1742742602124717444

https://hive.blog/burnpost/@themarkymark/re-kgakakillerg-stm4vv

https://hive.blog/hive-124838/@themarkymark/re-snap-container-1742690880-20250324t025303z

https://hive.blog/donation/@crimsonclad/re-nampgf-sti0nf

https://hive.blog/hive-148441/@azircon/re-curamax-stk5vq

https://hive.blog/hive-funded/@acidyo/re-alex-rourke-stluzc

https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@theycallmedan/re-finpulse-4gnm7o8h


https://hive.blog/hive-144400/@blocktrades/st110u

https://hive.blog/hive-148441/@usainvote/re-curamax-stly39

https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@usainvote/re-buildawhale-s75mua

https://hive.blog/burnpost/@buildawhale/1742829002430606097

https://peakd.com/hive-167922/@bpcvoter1/themarkymark-big-bad-marky-huh-lol-you-re-more-of-a-joke-than-anything-else-we-ve-exposed-your-actions-repeatedly-your-scamming

https://hive.blog/3dprinting/@themarkymark/meet-frank-ajt

https://hive.blog/burnpost/@buildawhale/1742483402094376205#@buildawhale/re-1742483402094376205-20250320t151108z

https://hive.blog/curation/@azircon/re-acidyo-stn05u

https://hive.blog/curation/@themarkymark/re-azircon-sto5b9


https://hive.blog/curation/@themarkymark/re-azircon-sto57d

https://hive.blog/curation/@themarkymark/re-meno-sto4ua


https://hive.blog/hive-124838/@themarkymark/re-snap-container-1742825520-20250325t020936z 

https://hive.blog/hive-150342/@steevc/re-alessandrawhite-2025325t91011757z

https://hive.blog/curation/@themarkymark/re-meno-stodj2

https://hive.blog/curation/@themarkymark/re-meno-stod08

https://hive.blog/hive-13323/@moeknows/re-azircon-stnrc3

https://hive.blog/hive-112018/@jacobtothe/re-dynamicrypto-sto8ak

https://hive.blog/hive-13323/@azircon/re-moeknows-stofom

https://hive.blog/burnpost/@buildawhale/1742915402155436654

https://hive.blog/hive-13323/@azircon/re-moeknows-stoq3o

https://hive.blog/hive-13323/@bpcvoter1/stos6z
https://hive.blog/technology/@themarkymark/re-kgakakillerg-stpzn7
https://hive.blog/hive-124838/@themarkymark/re-niallon11-stpzmi


https://hive.blog/hive-124838/@themarkymark/re-peaksnaps-stpx2t

https://hive.blog/hive-13323/@azircon/re-moeknows-stov0c


https://hive.blog/burnpost/@buildawhale/1743001802743637765

https://hive.blog/hive-124838/@meno/re-themarkymark-stqdnp

https://hive.blog/hive/@acidyo/hive-curation-a-response-to-a-post-about-my-previous-video

https://hive.blog/hive-124838/@themarkymark/re-meno-stqt8y



https://hive.blog/burnpost/@buildawhale/1743088202593656720
https://peakd.com/@bpcvoter1/to-the-hive-community-and-all-those-watching-our-journey


https://hive.blog/hive-124838/@themarkymark/re-snap-container-1743079680-20250328t095442z
https://hive.blog/hive/@acidyo/re-freecompliments-strts3
https://hive.blog/hive-124838/@themarkymark/re-peaksnaps-sttukk
https://hive.blog/hive-124838/@anderssinho/re-themarkymark-stu0qr
https://hive.blog/hive-124838/@oldsoulnewb/re-themarkymark-stu1t3
https://hive.blog/hive-124838/@acidyo/re-themarkymark-stu3fk
https://hive.blog/hive-124838/@wiseagent/re-themarkymark-stu6fz
https://hive.blog/hive-124838/@stayoutoftherz/re-themarkymark-stu6r7
https://hive.blog/hive-124838/@themarkymark/re-peaksnaps-stufv1
https://hive.blog/hive-124838/@themarkymark/re-godfish-stujq7
https://hive.blog/hive-124838/@themarkymark/re-coininstant-stugcr
https://hive.blog/hive-124838/@themarkymark/re-snap-container-1743183360-20250329t130534z

https://peakd.com/hive-167922/@bpcvoter3/exposing-hive-s-hidden-manipulators
STOP #buildawhalescam #buildawhalefarm
>	buildawhale voted 6gkwpm-the-weight-of-shadows-a-tale-of-truth-accountability-and-redemption by bpcvoter3 with -0.1%
an hour ago
buildawhale voted the-weight-of-shadows-a-tale-of-truth-accountability-and-redemption by bpcvoter3 with -0.11%
2 hours ago
https://hive.blog/burnpost/@buildawhale/1743261002653664544
https://hive.blog/hive-124838/@themarkymark/re-peaksnaps-stvxwq
https://hive.blog/hive-124838/@themarkymark/re-bpcvoter2-stvxao
https://hive.blog/curation/@acidyo/vote-trading-and-the-sorts-last-video-about-voting-for-a-while-i-promise
https://hive.blog/hive-124838/@themarkymark/re-peaksnaps-stxf2g

https://youtu.be/8zfuGpoO5do

https://peakd.com/hive-126152/@bpcvoter3/exposing-the-whales-on-the-hive-blockchain

https://hive.blog/curation/@jacobtothe/re-por500bolos-su4gfm
https://peakd.com/hive-167922/@bpcvoter3/the-hive-unveiled-a-journey-through-shadows-and-light

Stand Together Hive Keni & Mc Franko Bpc Ai Music

https://youtu.be/5xTN1BR_GSI



https://peakd.com/hive-126152/@bpcvoter3/spaminator-why-the-silence-on-the-buildawhale-scam-farm-the-truth-deserves-action

For more insights into blockchain transparency and accountability, visit [Bilpcoin’s Publish0x page](https://www.publish0x.com/@bilpcoinbpc).
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@ssjsasha ·
+1
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@steevc ·
Sounds reasonable. There is a risk of people downvoting in retaliation at the last minute, but they cannot do too much of that. Changing an upvote percentage should not give you more curation rewards. 

So far a lot of the bigger abusers are being dealt with on Hive whilst they continue to milk Steem. I look forward to the Steem price plummeting as it's sad to see them profit from all that crap.
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@droida ·
The risk of people downvoting at the last minute will drive free speech out of Hive through censorship.
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@stevescoins ·
But what is being done about abusive flagging?
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@bashadow ·
$0.02
The only way for the community to handle abusive flags, is to have an auto comment generated by the down vote. Then if the down vote was abusive, the community can counter with a down vote on the original down voter.

My own personal feelings about the down vote is that a comment must be generated, I have heard the counter *we don't mandate a comment for an upvote, why a down vote*, and it has never mattered how often I pointed out a down vote is a negative action, the argument is a down vote is not a negative argument. 

So the addition of an auto comment for any down vote will never be made, thus we as a community will never be able to deal with the blind down vote accounts. (account that have only down voted, thus no retaliatory down votes can be given). 
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@enforcer48 ·
Currently, you have @freezepeach.

If your rewards are below zero, @steemflagrewards still run the healing function that can counter unfair downvotes.

And then, there are benevolent actors. 
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@moeknows ·
I think a low hanging fruit to mitigate some of this would be to fix the broken reputation system. [I suggested something here](https://peakd.com/hive/@moeknows/a-hive-improvement-proposal-account-rating-system).

While it won't affect rewards, it will diminish the ability of a large-staked abuser to tarnish one's "reputation".
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@themarkymark ·
Nothing on a blockchain level, the only current solution is a benevolent actor countering the downvotes.
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@theycallmedan ·
I support this change.
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@tobetada ·
didn't know it was removed, think it's a good idea to bring it back 👍
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@transisto ·
Yes to 
> allow changing of votes without penalty.
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@saracampero ·
Hey you @transisto, my content is my own original and I work hard for it, I spend more than 10 hours a day to elaborate each one and publish it. I do not understand. I don't think it's fair that you gave me a negative vote. "downvote"! To my creative work and original content. Thanks anyway. :( That downvote will never let me increase my reputation without meaning. :'( Please consider adjusting your error. I don't understand if this is how they want people to join the community, if they are going to waste their effort.
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@themarkymark ·
I am 1000% for this change, it should never have been an issue from the beginning.  Just reset curation for upvotes, no need to have had the penalty in the first place.
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@valued-customer ·
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I reckon that this neglects to consider opinion flagging that can also take advantage of the 12 hour window during which it cannot be countered.  We have discussed in the past such flagging, and while you may not engage in it, you neither condemn it that I recall.

Your stake and connections prevent your grasping the censoring impact of such flags, because you are immune.  I commend to you the effort necessary to comprehend the pressure on folks without your immunity of such demonetization on their speech, because I think that will improve your ability to defend free speech, which you assert is your purpose in preventing spam.  Clearly, spam is no less harmful to our speech than suppression of contrary narratives by opinion flagging, and your work is just as essential to the platform as is countering opinion flagging.

However, it is no less necessary to counter censorship than spam, and this proposal decreases the ability of free speech advocates to do so.  For that reason, I do not support it.

As the rote response of substantial stakeholders to noting the censoring effect of serial flags on free speech is to deny it is censorship, I also suggest well understanding the definition of censorship includes any suppression, editing, or concealing of speech, and is not only the utter removal of speech.  To be factually accurate, it is actually impossible to to absolutely eliminate targeted information.  It is a false claim that only such absolute removal constitutes censorship, and a clear consensus of generally accepted sources (encyclopedias and dictionaries) define censorship as *any* suppression, which demonetization clearly is.  While platforms such as Youtube and Facebook undertake every effort to utterly eliminate contrary narratives, even such Gorilla Kings of the social media market fail to do so.  

It is vitally important to differentiate Hive from such centralized platforms, and it is our censorship resistance that best does so.  Please do not reduce that censorship resistance unnecessarily.

Thanks!
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@enforcer48 ·
> Your stake and connections prevent your grasping the censoring impact of such flags, because you are immune.

Since not looking is a common theme in your statements, why don't you go count how many of his posts that's got at least $15 flags on it. Just look at the recent ones, you don't even have to dig far.

By that same logic, one could even argue @lucylin is immune because his posts are clearly visible and still rewarded despite the downvotes.

And here, I have just adjusted this comment reward for you and nothing is censored. You clearly just make less.
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@valued-customer ·
You can make pretense of reason by offering up atypical examples, while ignoring statistical relevance, and do so here.  There's a difference between what you represent above and what has been relevant to Hive.

Those flags on the massively staked account don't impact that account any more than your flag on my comment does mine.  Even small flags on @lucylin's account do matter, because it's not massively staked and he cares about his rewards, something that is typical of Hive users, and atypical about your examples.  @themarkymark has so much stake that even $15 flags don't materially impact him, and I don't care about my financial rewards, because I don't use them as money.

Why don't you contrast the relative impact of flags on accounts you mention?  Your flag on my comment has a higher relative financial impact on my account than a $15 flag does on Marty.  However, unlike @lucylin I actually benefit from being flagged by censors, because it draws attention to my posts, drives engagement, and proves my points better than my words, and those are things I value far more than tokens.

The fact is that far too many examples of serial flagging driving people off the platform correlate to an abysmal retention rate.  Both Marty and I are highly atypical, and @lucylin far more typical.

Therefore your attempt to deceive by providing atypical examples actually bolsters my points, rather than counters them. Do try to be reasonable and relevant, rather than the opposite, if you want to reach rational conclusions from our discourse.

If you just want to bully me, flag away.  Rational people will grasp the significance of that attempt to suppress my speech.  
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@enginewitty ·
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Beautifully spoken.
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@logiczombie ·
Well stated.
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@moeknows ·
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This is a really good point and it really brings up the need to address what I might consider the larger problem of abusive flagging. I think different solutions might be needed in order to counteract that. I think one such solution is [fixing the broken reputation system](https://peakd.com/hive/@moeknows/a-hive-improvement-proposal-account-rating-system). Well, it doesn't really solve it totally, but it would be a first step in the right direction. 
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@vikisecrets ·
sounds reasonable, supported :) with a 12 hour window, spam fighters have the chance to review and downvote problematic posts.
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@whatsup ·
Of all the things to work on... Let's fiddle with Internal Downvoting again!  

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@wujiayou00 ·
Yes
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