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US Government is trying to force Exchanges to get Name & Address of hardware & software wallets
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Next up in the **You are a criminal if you use cryptocurrencies** show, the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network of the US Treasury put forth a bill to force Exchanges to collect name and address of all wallets being used to receive funds. 

> FinCEN is issuing this notice of proposed rulemaking to seek public comments on a proposal to require banks and money service businesses (“MSBs”) to submit reports, keep records, and verify the identity of customers in relation to transactions involving convertible virtual currency

You can read the bill [here](https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/12/23/2020-28437/requirements-for-certain-transactions-involving-convertible-virtual-currency-or-digital-assets).

This bill has 60 days for review, but due to the holidays and the fact it was buried, there is only 12 days left to respond.

We have seen how neglectful companies are with data, just look at the recent Ledger leak.  272,000 customers private information has been leaked and is easily searched on the Internet.  This leak includes full contact information of users who most likely own some amount of cryptocurrencies.

There has been numerous cases of thieves breaking into homes of known crypto users and holding them at gunpoint or worse yet just a wrench and forced to unlock their hardware wallets and transfer their Bitcoin to another wallet.

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<sub>[Source](https://gizmodo.com/man-charged-with-stealing-1-8-million-in-cryptocurrenc-1821252074)</sub>
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After all, decentralization is all about being your own bank, but most don't even have a fraction of the security of a typical bank.  There isn't much that you can't get from a person with a large enough wrench.

![image.png](https://images.hive.blog/DQmYAeMZmZtGxapdWtvDi3x2SvHMJ5HAbSYhaiG1DmLbUbp/image.png)

The Internet has gotten to the point where you are forced to use fake information for pretty much everything.  Every day private information and even unencrypted passwords are leaked to the Internet from companies you know and trust.  These leaks are instantly picked up by hackers and criminals and used in nefarious ways.  Most of the time you don't even know about it, I do however recommend you sign up for [Have I been Pwned](https://haveibeenpwned.com) to be alerted when your information has been leaked.  

There isn't as much privacy in crypto as you would believe, there are many parties actively analyzing and data mining all transactions to identify and analyze who is using crypto.  Google keeps a copy of almost all blockchain transactions in private databases, the IRS has been working on de-anonymizing Bitcoin and Ethereum, hackers spend all day coming up with new ways to spear phish (targeted phishing) people into giving up their keys.

I recommend going [here](https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/12/23/2020-28437/requirements-for-certain-transactions-involving-convertible-virtual-currency-or-digital-assets) to leave a comment on the proposal which will be reviewed by lawyers.

**It isn't easy being your own bank**.

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@abitcoinskeptic ·
Sometimes I'm glad I'm not American. What a nasty government. But then again, Canada, EU most of G7, etc. Just follow behind America, so what difference does it make?

Part of me is all about a KYC safe space for crypto. Let's call it the green zone. Every wallet is registered, etc. banks and deposits are insured and taxes...taxes glaore.

However, the clinch is, there needs to be the private opaque grey zone area and the black area, otherwise, it's gonna suck.

In anycase, the dystopia is coming, resistance is futile and it's probably best not be branded a trouble maker.

I pay all my taxes, don't really have anything to hide, follow the law to a t, so I guess I don't have so much to worry about.

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@askmihai ·
My guess is that paying all the taxes is not enough to be worry free. What do you do when you have to be vaccinated to enter stores?
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@abitcoinskeptic ·
I pretty much do all my shopping online, so if they want to seal the deal, so be it.
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@themarkymark ·
> I pay all my taxes, don't really have anything to hide, follow the law to a t, so I guess I don't have so much to worry about.

The issue, that's not the only fear.

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@abitcoinskeptic ·
ETC scares me the most. In any case, I have a Samsung, so I'm just as screwed.

I don't think they will be asking for our encryption keys, just yet. However, that's probably the next step.
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@antisocialist ·
No one rules where none obey.
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@brianoflondon ·
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@clayboyn ·
Honestly, this is probably the most terrifying development in crypto regulations since the government decided we were worth paying attention to, but it also isn't unexpected.  People have been telling me for as long as I can remember that the government is developing all of this specialized software to monitor and track blockchains, which maybe they are, but it really doesn't make that much sense to me when exchanges are the obvious weak point when it comes to peacefully carrying out our business without their interference.

KYC was no surprise when it started becoming the norm with the U.S. exchanges, so people started using things like Binance, who of course got pressured into not serving U.S. customers, and at this point I think anyone heavily involved and invested into crypto understands on some level the nature of the game we're playing here in creating an alternative to the legacy monetary system.

The government derives all of its power from the ability to print money and use violence against.  As long as they have a monopoly on those two abilities they have nothing to really fear from us aside from a French Revolution, but realistically that's not going to happen with the level of indoctrination people are subjected to throughout childhood.

People are going to have to get a lot smarter in how they handle their affairs or "pay the man."  Perhaps even both to some extent as there's likely already enough of a data trail on most people to ever dream of not being on the radar at some level.  Who knows what the future holds, but they were never going to let us successfully do this whole crypto thing without some serious resistance.

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@askmihai ·
You're right: people who rule us consider using the blockchain technology in their advantage by creating a central bank digital currency. What do you think about that?
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@fabian98 ·
As a personal opinion, I want to say that there is no place that is safe or can't be hacked, even those big corporations that claim to be impenetrable suffer loss or leakage of information, so we can't trust anyone.

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@filotasriza3 ·
it's ironic that governments and certain people trying to control us in that aspect as well, while at the same time many governments and groups are investing into cryptos

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@themarkymark ·
Crypto is in direct competition of the main purpose of the goverment, to take all your money.

If I earn $100, I pay ~$30 in taxes.  I spend that $70 at a store, they pay $25 in taxes.  They take that $55 and buy something themselves they spend $15 in taxes.  Eventually the government gets it all.  That's why we have to keep printing more money.
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@melbourneswest ·
This is a really concerning topic. Like the points you've raised above there isn't the same level of protection in cryptocurrancy as there is with banks. Nothing will stop someone searching for high amounts of crypto and then attending the person's property and robbing them. 

In Australia there are limits to the amount of public available information about someone's money. I.e. rich elites in Australia have their assets hidden from public knowledge. Their excuse was that if people knew how much money they had, they would be at risk of abduction and extortion. 

That same risk applies to the lower end, let's be honest. Crypto saw a huge boom many years ago now. A time when many of us missed out. So the majority of people aren't millionaire or billionaires. But possibly a there would be people with thousands to 100s of thousands. Even if its just investment. 

Having publicly visible wallets and then personal information available makes those people a risk. 

There are no safety mechanisms. If someone is robbed at an ATM there are cameras and if you enter your pin number backwards triggers an emergency response. 

Nothing will stop or prevent someone from breaking into your home and forcing you to transfer your crypto. 

Bad laws. 
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@poshbot ·
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@poshbot ·
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@sn0n ·
Her booty and that weeny lil wrench tho.. hahaha. 

Also, the regulation will never take off in any meaningful way, even if they did limit it US side, many other gaps will exist to fill the holes for on and off boarding. 

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@tobetada ·
The government naturally wants to control. This reminds me of when there were constant attempts at taking away internet freedoms and it seems that the FCC managed to be in a position that they are comfortable with (for now). It was the same here in Europe, and I think they were less successful. But there are always more attempts...

With crpytos it's just the same. I talked with a person working in the banking industry the other day and he viewed (and so did his colleagues) bitcoin and other cryptos as being part of the dark web (which no doubt they are also used there). But he didn't understand the broader meaning of crpytos or why ultimately they can bring autonomy and wealth to individuals. The whole idea of not being in control of something is a foreign concept to them and should be therefore thwarted at every level.

As long as this is the most dominant opinion at the regulatory level, we are going to have a hard time. But I don't think it's a lost cause, as change can always take place.
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@askmihai ·
You're right: we can still turn the tide. It's pretty obvious that change doesn't happen by itself. So, How can we prevent hard times?
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@whatamidoing ·
Just discovered haveibeenpwnd thanks to antop...How easy is it to do a sim-swap?  This ledger thing has me a little uneasy...
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@themarkymark ·
Do you mean a sim swap to change your number, or someone trying to clone it?

The first depends on your carrier, you are basically changing your number.  The 2nd, is based on how well trained the carrier level 1 support are, if you can't get them to clone a sim the first time, just call back and try on another person.  
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@whatamidoing ·
Worried someone will do it to me, though not sure if its possible in Japan
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@wiseagent ·
Yet another attempt by Americans to call themselves the "best" nation in the world.

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