I'm with You guys.

I am all for change and experiments if they will help Hive grow and open opportunities for more people.
But I do imagine there will be pushback to changing the rules of the game when some have become so successful with the present rules and then advocate changing them. 

Auto voting is a pet hate of mine although I am in receipt of a few. I think it takes away much of the fun of curation. And just continually enlarge the big accounts.

I would like to see all autovotes switched off for a time to see if that could improve proof of brain. I could be done without any change to the blockchain and could be an interesting test to inform what we do going forward. 

This could be a crazy idea but I am just putting it out there. 

A Reply by John Huckel @matrix-8

> Hive is in trouble
As has been worryingly repeated on this post and thread by @therealwolf, Hive does not have the oomph! to hold its own against its more established competitors. Under current conditions, it will probably soon fall by the wayside as just another good idea that didn't make it. Neither you nor I want that to happen. Hive has soul! It has enjoyed public acclaim for having taken the highroad in its fight for survival. Let's now give it some innovative features that will separate it from the competition, and secure its future.... I can provide it the oomph that it needs.

Please read the rest of John's extensive reply with his solution here:
https://peakd.com/hive-153630/@atma.love/to-hive-or-not-to-hive-2-aug-20

(Also cross-posted in this Hive Improvement community for more exposure)

Namaste
Atma

@therealwolf It appears to me that the major issue is governance. At the moment we basically have stake driven governance, and with the large stakeholders being rewarded well from the pool, that's unlikely to change, unless we change the stake based governance system.

I encourage you to read this article entitled Trusted Reputation, which is a part of The Matrix-8 Solution, a multi-level real time pure democracy governance system. https://peakd.com/hive-153630/@atma.love/trusted-reputation
 With this is place (after initial testing in a community which awards content with tokens) i'm pretty damn sure Hive will lead the way and it'll be a big boom. 

Namaste
Atma

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> It's actually really fun to write quick/short posts; others might call "shit-posts".

How about these posts?

https://hive.blog/@hivedapps.com/posts

And self-voting them to $13 each?


![image.png](https://images.hive.blog/DQmfZrTNiZG9ZixchZYmZoBiTs1Ki6tMK91U196JVnw5YAo/image.png)

Are these "short posts"? Fun to generate by a bot? 

You exploit the reward pool and sell the hive. And then complain that you are not making enough money. While guys like @theycallmedan and myself buy hive and keep them powered up to hold the bags for you?

You know we can DV these posts to zero. We have the power to do it, and there is no doubt that they do not add any value to the chain other than lining your pocket. But so far we haven't done it just because of the goodness of our heart....or rather we don't like to pick a fight, as that weakens us.

Please don't answer to this comment and tell that what "good" you have done for the us over the last 4 years. Because that will annoy me. 

There are many individuals who are trying to do positive work on the chain. But you are not one of them. If you don't like the state of affairs here, the door is that way ---->

Please don't let the door hit you on the way out.

PS. Self-voting at 100% so that it goes towards the top of the comments, as I want people to see it.

You preety put the accent on it and what it should be addressed here. For the moment just short term planning not long term and keeping up the pace with what happens around. Some new innovative thing must come up in order to ensure that HIVE will prosper and not die.

>Don't get me wrong; I do that myself - who really has time to manually curate 10x per day? But even then, (even if you would only have to vote 1x per day) you will lose vs the bots & auto-votes in terms of curation.


I'm new in the blockchain I'm a little over 4 months old... I come from centralized social networks, but I decided to stay in the beehive the reason... The rewards? No, I am a Tourist Advisor and before the pandemic the sale of one ticket gave me the profits of what I would earn in 1 week at Hive... I have read many of the comments have talked about Marketing and I completely agree, but if we sell Hive as a social network where you come just to get rewards we do nothing ... I did not come to Hive to live on my rewards these were and are a plus for me.

When I entered Hive they told me that if I created quality content maybe I could get good rewards, so I saw it as a social network plus a tool to make my business grow, as well as Facebook or IG thanks to this every day I worked more on my content to get more votes... this led me to explore other ways Why I tell this? because Hive has the technology to compete with the big social networks, but there are things to improve, like the interface and everything that has already been said... if I stay because others would not? 

The automatic votes, I receive one and from the day I realized that I was receiving it I got upset, it took away my emotion, it votes me exactly in the 4th minute? and even though there is money involved and nobody is going to vote a content to lose the automatic votes as you said they are a mutation of the system and in my opinion it benefits the curatorship more than the content creator, there should be a consensus between the parties involved that benefits both parties.

I believe that it is possible to vote manually there are many who do it, and I expose it in the following way when I enter another social network I vote for the content that I like and it is in my feed at that moment, if it is good or garbage it is my decision, I have seen short content but of very good quality and I have seen a blog of 2000 words that ends up being garbage.


On the other hand I believe that there should be accounts not only for creators but also for content consumers, I believe that this could be possible with delegations, which would allow consumers to vote and cure content, and this option could be included on the menu to create an account, which should be something simple like on other social networks.

Do you think SMTs will not solve these issues?

> Don't get me wrong; I do that myself - who really has time to manually curate 10x per day? But even then, (even if you would only have to vote 1x per day) you will lose vs the bots & auto-votes in terms of curation.

What about voting on comments? Quality content includes both posts and comments. It helps with engagement. And you can much more easily be the first voter.

I think part of the issue is the community and the attitudes around it. If we would come here for communications and reading each other's posts rather than just for the rewards, then ... I think that the atmosphere would be markedly different. It would be a wonderful thing. I would be extremely sad if this blockchain died ... after all, I come here for the information and the people that surround each different community. The rewards are great. Money is great. But it is not the be-all, end-all. I have said it before ... if you are just into something for money, then, you will never be happy. For instance, I work the service desk for a healthcare organization. Do I make craptons of money? No. Am I happy? Yes. 	

It is cool to have a stable niche in the crypto space. People complain since the beginning of this blockchain and Steem. 

The real answer is to build, dominate, and don't ask permission.

I’m surprised you didn’t tout the rollout of SMT’s lol that’s often pulled out in these types of long term posts! 

Yeah it’s tough indeed, curating isn’t easy if you’re looking just for rewards but it’s fun for me. Not everyone’s got that mindset though. It won’t survive another 4 years without other things being developed on it like Splinterlands. That’s been giving the space a fair amount of attention and use but we need more than just that in order to compete with the big boys. 

Manual curation is difficult and it takes much time. Quality content can be overlooked easily. The idea is that there is great content out here and wonderful people, it is a matter of getting it big as you said. I hopefully wish it will, I am a content creator only but I can understand the point of view of a large stakeholder