Are Disagreements Equal Abuses? by tibonova

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poll · @tibonova · Feb 8 '17 (edited)

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Are Disagreements Equal Abuses?

I need to know your opinion before I rest or push this question.

Many users of Steem think the downvote mechanism is good as how it exist now, and others think different opinions shouldn't affect ones reputation.

**Downvote is a punishment where these are equals:**

- Author has "too high" payout
- Someone posted child porn
- I don't believe what you say
- It's plagiarism
- I don't support whom you support

Blockchain is about consensus, therefore I can accept the result of this poll – even if it will be a yes –, and I could move on.

With this setup, there is a misnaming, though. Reputation should be called Popularity.

<center>[![yes-1713011\_64024d88.md.png](http://www.steemimg.com/images/2017/02/07/yes-1713011\_64024d88.md.png)](http://www.steemimg.com/image/GSqTs) </center>

<center><a href="https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/">CC0</a></center>

Think out of the box when you answer, and don't mix the question with any UI, or even with Steem. You can answer with an upvote or a reply on my YES and NO comments. Also we could discuss it at the comment section.

<sup>This is a repost of my SteemPoll question since @steempoll is experimental now and has issues; a test of Busy's editor; continuation of [my proposal](https://busy.org/steem/@tibonova/it-is-time-for-separating-downvotes-from-flags).</sup>

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@ebryans · Feb 8 '17

I received my first flag ever for chucking this into the middle of a whale argument over votes and flags and the possible or alleged abuse of leverage:
<center>![img](https://i.imgur.com/LTmxq4U.png)</center>
Flagging is personal. I have only ever issued one and I am glad to say I withdrew it. I would flag again but I would prefer it if a flag had to be accompanied by a reason. Self-policing, as we are, in effect, demands a consensus of behavioural standards. Your list of 'equal' transgressions is clearly a prompt to suggest that child porn deserves a bigger flag than jealousy over payout value. I would agree - but child porn will equally get you ostracised, unfollowed and no votes; self-policing.
Reputation status carries so many ingredients such that a rename, any rename, would be fake.
In summary, @tibonova, thank you for the discussion!! Great post and debate topic; yes to flags but I prefer a reason to be given. Bot flagging should be outlawed. That is just an anti-social behaviour for the lazy and disrespectful.

👍 tibonova, mchx1

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@tibonova · Feb 8 '17

> get you ostracised, unfollowed and no votes; self-policing

Good points, thank you for adding them.

👍 magyarul

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@ebryans · Feb 8 '17

Thoughts on bot flagging?

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5 replies

@tibonova · Feb 8 '17

>Reputation status carries so many ingredients

What's the meaning of reputation? 
Maybe I didn't know well, but for me it's about respect and disrespect, trust and distrust. 
>  the opinion that people in general have about someone or something, or how much respect or admiration someone or something receives, based on past behaviour or character – _Cambridge Dict._
 
Yes, **I didn't know it well**, it is not about trust.

It's rather seems like popularity to me. 
>  the fact that something or someone is liked, enjoyed, or supported by many people – _Cambridge Dict._

These are very similar to me, so I stand corrected, popularity is a kind of reputation.

**Still, Reputation could grow with votes, and getting votes is a popularity contest.**

👍 magyarul

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@ebryans · Feb 8 '17

Yes, all very true but 'reputation' means a host of different things on steemit.com - there are steemit people whom I disrespect because of their behaviour, yet they have a far higher 'reputation' score than me! Reputation here is a measure of the number of votes you have received since you started, as I understand it.  So, I see your point about popularity contest. There is, however, as I understand it, no way in which one's 'reputation' standing can go down!
A vote for a post authored by a higher rep person is more likely to do well in the curation stakes and so this has an economic aspect. A vote and comment to a higher rep author might get you a vote back and a follower and so the 'game' is altering the meaning of reputation.
Popularity in the real world is a variable concept. Here it has different ingredients, as opposed to popularity.

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1 reply

@tibonova · Feb 7 '17

# YES

👍 magyarul

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@j3dy · Feb 18 '17

why, does it matter what you call a number? :D 

Still just calling a value, whatever you name it won't change it or the way it interacts. 

I've since fixed my post formatting :D and even when you did make that comment I think I made an edit that got most of that covered. 

PS if however, you are asking about separation of downvotes and flags, I might have to agree with you there, flags for abuse(so there are no flag wars because it's ridiculous) and downvotes for reducing payouts/ disagreements(flag wars, ok down wars :D). 

Good evening :)

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@tibonova · Feb 7 '17

# NO

👍 timcliff, tibonova, magyarul

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