>We came to the obvious conclusion that in Bull market EVERYTHING ends up having its pump and that having a little of fundamentals and looking for the right entry, any project could be profitable.

that's why I still have hopes with XTZ. It has pumped too little so far. 

I subscribe 100% to your thoughts on Hive. Hopefully one day we will sort things out for this blockchain.

Hope doesn't do much though... 

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You are right we really do need some words of encouragement especially in the bull market when the expected growth, both in users and in price is lack luster. And thank you for the support on my alt account ( the memes one ) I appreciate it :) 

HIVE is super! It will hit 4-5$ next year. And probably 10-20$ in 2-3 years from now.
We are now in the last phase when the HIVE price is moving sideways giving a fake signal like to some 'investors' to sell their coins at the lowests levels.

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I think hive is ahead of it's time. The average reddit user doesnt understand blockchain, or decentralised tech so Hive can be intimidating at first. 10 years from now when a substantial portion of the population has at least some crypto, i think Hive could potentially be huge. I can imagine large sub-reddits makinf there own front end on the blockchain to reward users. Think if every sports team sub-reddit made a hive front end with a token, and interact just like on reddit? I think sub-reddits and similar communites are who we should be reaching out to as oppossed to like instagram.

I bet 10 years from now there will be communities like that. Hive is in a good position to be that platform, if we can do it right. The tech works great, its the marketing and problems like steem had that could prevent it. Even if we dont see huge adoption soon, if we just keep building, and making good content i think we will be in a good spot 10 years from now.

No doubt hive is for the long-term. It will take a lot of groundwork with publicity and education as you said before its value can appreciate to a sufficient level

The grab the money and run is definitely the majority and probably a larger number still amongst us on Hive, which I can't condemn we are all entitled to how we manage our funds which is why I like the decentralized space but for me a long term recurring income is better than grab the money and run projects. 

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> Grab the money and run.

This is a fact that more investors put their money if defi projects that give faster ROI. Hive with 13 weeks cashing out is not ideal for pragmatism investors.



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I voted for 4 weeks power down, in case you missed it @lordbutterfly made a proposal for it.

13 weeks is just beyond reason.

Even #defi with much bigger apr provide instant exit...


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Well, investors looking for a way to move in and out of Hive quickly can just forgo powering up.

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I think some of the problem is that the simplicity of earning HIVE has made it attractive for people from places where the rewards are meaningful income. For example, I can afford to allow my rewards to accumulate, like many other Hivers. On the other hand, many of the contributors rely on Hive to provide for their expenses. I don't fault them for cashing out. On balance, I think perhaps more people rely on Hive for income than are able to afford to accumulate. It may not be a trader mentality at all. 

I think it is always a good time to reiterate long term vision.  Few are able to successful trade.  It is the simplest, yet hardest thing to do in the world.  Many think they can do it because it is so simple only to realize how hard it is when they nuked their trading accounts.  This is true no matter what the asset being invested in.

Hence most need to look long term to ride the waves of emotion out.  Since few can handle it in a profitable manner, they need to focus upon what is being built in crypto.  This is where the difference is in my opinion.  

We have a huge lesson from the Bitcoin hodlers.  They are wealth today because they kept their long term vision alive.

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I agree. I watched as HIVE, LEO and several other great projects here blow up since last year. But, I've also watched as the market has risen to great ATH and for the investments made into these projects deteriorate over this bull market. which disgusts me. I totally agree that the 13 weeks is what's killing the idea that any large investor is not gonna enter into a token economics that cant sell when they want or need to. That's also a two-way street as to maybe the theory behind the wait is so to detour the investors from selling. Making the value hold for longer periods of time. could be a great idea, but it's killing this token's ecosystem. Driving all the profit from reach. Well, lets hope not. Good luck everyone and God Bless!



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Hello there my dear @toofasteddie, I totally 💯 agree with you.
Hive is different because it is less contrôles by some entity able to artificially pump it as it is truly decentralized. This sell pressure is an issue that we need to keep working on.

The 4 weeks powerdown is not the solution, we have at least until now 13 weeks powerdown because it fits what the community is looking for ! Long term investors and users.

Who are the ones bringing value to Hive ? These old time users that just stayed and connected with each other to build dapps / curation projects, etc...

We are a “people’s blockchain”, therefore committed individuals ARE our most precious thing.

Peace ✌️