After a very informative discussion about #hive-engine with @aggroed a few days ago, I have decided to pursue setting up a new βtribeβ (i.e. front-end and token) geared primarily toward #university-students. I am toying with different approaches to distributing #curation-rewards for the new token. My understanding is that #Hive uses some sort of time-based curation incentive that has something to do with the 5-minute-mark after posting (creating a sort of βraceβ to identify valuable content), whereas #LeoFinance has switched to a model that does not include time-based incentives. ***Can someone point me to white papers or some other clear descriptions of how the current curation-rewards systems function, for Hive and Leo (I want to evaluate both)?*** Also, if someone has some already-available sample data for a handful of posts, showing time-stamped upvote data and, if readily available, time-stamped reply data, that would be awesome (so I can do some what-if analyses looking at different reward protocols). Thanks in advance!
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voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
tombstone | 0 | 12,979,914,841 | 0.6% | ||
gregory-f | 0 | 1,401,566,209,707 | 50% | ||
arcange | 0 | 6,187,645,439,833 | 100% | ||
raphaelle | 0 | 3,368,738,197 | 3% | ||
frankbacon | 0 | 251,996,589,132 | 100% | ||
daveks | 0 | 207,236,364,922 | 5% | ||
uwelang | 0 | 10,765,022,638 | 1.12% | ||
r0nd0n | 0 | 1,993,749,506 | 2.25% | ||
rishi556 | 0 | 22,836,794,204 | 100% | ||
ancolie | 0 | 17,508,072,395 | 12.25% | ||
walterjay | 0 | 103,045,560,110 | 17.5% | ||
steemitboard | 0 | 11,223,189,335 | 3% | ||
sn0n | 0 | 118,843,483,880 | 50% | ||
markkujantunen | 0 | 50,620,776,812 | 100% | ||
teammo | 0 | 214,999,768,819 | 100% | ||
dickturpin | 0 | 5,172,760,806 | 15% | ||
tbnfl4sun | 0 | 9,404,292,401 | 30% | ||
lugaxker | 0 | 1,270,661,771 | 25.98% | ||
mes | 0 | 224,773,169,084 | 100% | ||
roomservice | 0 | 2,278,671,575 | 1.5% | ||
guiltyparties | 0 | 242,965,088,792 | 100% | ||
goldkey | 0 | 64,140,290,931 | 10% | ||
felt.buzz | 0 | 144,453,120,502 | 17.5% | ||
themarkymark | 0 | 1,864,250,825,320 | 8% | ||
sanjeevm | 0 | 891,650,935,565 | 30% | ||
bambukah | 0 | 1,214,606,323 | 35% | ||
vikisecrets | 0 | 441,867,571,124 | 30% | ||
twoitguys | 0 | 9,767,363,990 | 17.5% | ||
zonguin | 0 | 889,242,442 | 17.5% | ||
khalil319 | 0 | 1,776,089,598 | 50% | ||
francosteemvotes | 0 | 10,756,743,783 | 35% | ||
igrinov | 0 | 4,382,318,800 | 25% | ||
my451r | 0 | 179,547,044,606 | 100% | ||
evildido | 0 | 2,054,740,033 | 17.5% | ||
buildawhale | 0 | 5,294,930,990,770 | 8% | ||
artonmysleeve | 0 | 1,660,517,916 | 2.5% | ||
aidefr | 0 | 6,845,712,490 | 26.25% | ||
voxmonkey | 0 | 429,811,312 | 100% | ||
blokz | 0 | 1,897,411,638 | 50% | ||
drax | 0 | 4,400,077,116 | 1.11% | ||
therealwolf | 0 | 713,757,827,430 | 2% | ||
deathwing | 0 | 156,187,605,986 | 50% | ||
makerhacks | 0 | 22,173,370,097 | 8% | ||
afterglow | 0 | 8,882,055,192 | 50% | ||
boycharlieplays | 0 | 75,114,287,139 | 100% | ||
smartsteem | 0 | 124,560,385,950 | 2% | ||
robotics101 | 0 | 10,318,616,536 | 35% | ||
lpv | 0 | 2,251,808,482 | 6.56% | ||
as31 | 0 | 6,041,431,500 | 13.12% | ||
californiacrypto | 0 | 27,491,482,753 | 100% | ||
upmyvote | 0 | 5,066,555,648 | 8% | ||
duke77 | 0 | 5,529,017,349 | 25% | ||
deepresearch | 0 | 198,871,918,380 | 34% | ||
happydaddyfr | 0 | 10,606,171,990 | 26.25% | ||
tdre | 0 | 909,356,043,838 | 100% | ||
edicted | 0 | 1,495,975,636,939 | 25% | ||
dragibusss | 0 | 1,387,860,827 | 50% | ||
voltagrou | 0 | 9,803,306,770 | 25% | ||
gribouille | 0 | 1,175,424,689 | 26.25% | ||
icuz | 0 | 4,573,742,228 | 50% | ||
shmoogleosukami | 0 | 173,436,926,052 | 100% | ||
orlandumike | 0 | 8,578,852,324 | 20% | ||
cadawg | 0 | 160,954,161,849 | 45% | ||
raise-me-up | 0 | 33,757,100,285 | 100% | ||
movement19 | 0 | 628,631,329 | 2% | ||
almi | 0 | 110,990,130,647 | 40% | ||
blockchainyouth | 0 | 4,734,295,351 | 5% | ||
bil.prag | 0 | 109,113,231,971 | 20% | ||
jkramer | 0 | 1,096,394,521,385 | 100% | ||
foxon | 0 | 421,041,089,610 | 45% | ||
chuuuckie | 0 | 633,465,851 | 100% | ||
lartist-zen | 0 | 1,817,963,391 | 100% | ||
imcore | 0 | 1,024,093,977 | 10% | ||
adeyemidrey | 0 | 418,849,798,121 | 100% | ||
trumpman2 | 0 | 1,554,656,458 | 15% | ||
mrs.goldkey | 0 | 3,450,564,512 | 19% | ||
studio666 | 0 | 2,465,163,010 | 100% | ||
valentin86 | 0 | 1,838,105,093 | 100% | ||
jk6276 | 0 | 713,641,996 | 10% | ||
luppers | 0 | 790,250,980 | 1.12% | ||
clement.poiret | 0 | 520,508,349 | 100% | ||
pboulet | 0 | 34,376,057,542 | 35% | ||
silverkey | 0 | 3,028,288,805 | 16% | ||
silvervault | 0 | 7,210,448,255 | 19% | ||
cryptycoon | 0 | 2,646,479,489 | 16% | ||
ravenking13 | 0 | 11,197,977,117 | 100% | ||
dubignyp | 0 | 1,383,169,332 | 24.5% | ||
teenagecrypto | 0 | 53,104,484,053 | 100% | ||
solarphasing | 0 | 2,080,053,696 | 17.5% | ||
theycallmedan | 0 | 7,845,290,407,931 | 10% | ||
p15 | 0 | 1,017,496,063 | 100% | ||
hf20 | 0 | 18,536,995,759 | 100% | ||
jacuzzi | 0 | 1,582,899,646 | 1.12% | ||
ctime | 0 | 271,094,147,561 | 4% | ||
abbenay | 0 | 849,070,687 | 4% | ||
giftgiver | 0 | 81,500,342,359 | 50% | ||
epicdice | 0 | 1,559,818,222 | 0.6% | ||
charcoalbuffet | 0 | 3,068,807,267 | 100% | ||
haxxdump | 0 | 116,199,232 | 10% | ||
lrekt01 | 0 | 4,337,787,746 | 100% | ||
leovoter | 0 | 21,081,041 | 2.25% | ||
onealfa.leo | 0 | 369,441,239 | 2.25% | ||
bilpcoinbot | 0 | 547,155,176 | 25% | ||
elvlogdedany | 0 | 7,625,290,232 | 39% | ||
snoochieboochies | 0 | 9,851,568,956 | 15% | ||
redwarbull | 0 | 2,975,773,064 | 16% | ||
toni.curation | 0 | 0 | 1% | ||
firayumni | 0 | 50,375,817,848 | 100% | ||
fengchao | 0 | 9,125,321,173 | 2% | ||
hivetrending | 0 | 65,119,779,371 | 25% | ||
laruche | 0 | 1,535,205,173,545 | 35% | ||
creators-voter | 0 | 0 | 1.68% | ||
hextech | 0 | 7,160,859,407 | 33% | ||
hiveonboard | 0 | 3,456,739,848 | 1.5% | ||
ninnu | 0 | 111,938,502,868 | 25% | ||
fakegod | 0 | 807,539,808 | 100% | ||
manujune | 0 | 63,917,080,209 | 100% | ||
poshbot | 0 | 4,663,926,088 | 8% | ||
comprendre.hive | 0 | 1,427,794,218 | 35% | ||
mafia.wallet | 0 | 2,535,124,910 | 50% | ||
stickupboys | 0 | 3,620,888,403 | 100% | ||
nftmart | 0 | 8,834,487,532 | 50% | ||
recoveryinc | 0 | 16,929,349,734 | 4% | ||
vicnzia | 0 | 11,714,402,812 | 25% | ||
cryptosimplify | 0 | 44,289,848,664 | 50% | ||
angelga25 | 0 | 3,449,942,030 | 100% | ||
dying | 0 | 2,479,958,220 | 4% | ||
vtol79 | 0 | 330,590,560 | 100% | ||
zangano | 0 | 949,815,849 | 100% | ||
yoslehz | 0 | 6,573,950,328 | 50% | ||
nohyperec | 0 | 2,578,618,851 | 100% | ||
ludmilla666 | 0 | 46,946,028 | 49.2% | ||
betterdev | 0 | 44,261,788,257 | 50% | ||
jmsansan.leo | 0 | 2,215,195,136 | 10% | ||
ikaro | 0 | 64,799,345 | 2.25% | ||
tfranzini | 0 | 2,385,159,742 | 50% | ||
rinconpoetico | 0 | 426,882,045 | 100% | ||
mrcaxt17 | 0 | 1,739,627,389 | 100% | ||
aliento.leo | 0 | 333,270,153 | 45% | ||
unorgmilitia | 0 | 21,741,423,433 | 100% |
Welcome aboard. The mechanics are much the same, but the math has been changed from this very dated post. https://peakd.com/curation/@miniature-tiger/an-illustrated-guide-to-curation-from-the-simple-to-the-complex-with-real-examples-from-past-posts-part-1 If it was me, I would want to retain some aspects of 'find it first, get rewarded', especially with a young audience, but it has been a friction point for hive. I've been waiting for Aggie to get really rolling, and here we go!
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Thanks!
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Thank you so asking this as I have been wondering for a few weeks **exactly** what was the difference between now and the pre fork curation!
author | blockchainyouth |
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A short example of what some of the voting and timeframes look like: ![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/cmplxty/WP2Z5hkA-image.png) I voted on it after 25 minutes and then a really large account came in hours later and voted on it strongly and I got some really good rewards from my "curation" first. ![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/cmplxty/4WEThi6H-image.png) This information can all be found at HiveStats.io which is a great site created by the @leofinance team. Valuable information in there!
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The 5 min window was designed to reward the curators who find the future popular posts. Like I find this post, vote early on and if it gets popular, I as a curator get rewarded for it. This migh work wit large numbers of users but as it is now, the popular authors get recognized and in time curators vote for the person, not the post. Automation is also a big part of this. For small groupl, linear curation as it is called might be better... no mattter the time voted on, or how many users vote after you. Its is also much more simple to understand. The curator has the freedom to vote whenever he likes. In general curation has been long debated here .... how to gemify it, but as it stands now, simple and no gamification might be better option.... or maybe we just havent find the right way to gamefy it :) I have posted about curation here https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@dalz/is-gamifying-curation-rewards-necessary Another post by the former official developer https://hive.blog/steem/@vandeberg/reward-curve-deep-dive
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Keep it up
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[This post](/hive-139531/@blocktrades/roadmap-for-hive-related-work-by-blocktrades-in-the-next-6-months) contains some useful discussion on improving the current system in the comments.
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antisocialist | 0 | 92,045,146,311 | 20% | ||
enforcer48 | 0 | -148,495,525,755 | -20% | ||
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> #Hive uses some sort of time-based curation incentive that has something to do with the 5-minute-mark after posting I think, its changing to 1 hour - may be @blocktrades can point you best.
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Thanks for bringing this up! As a newcomer, I've always found it difficult to understand the curation system. Posted Using [LeoFinance <sup>Beta</sup>](https://leofinance.io/@tfranzini/re-trostparadox-2rnuve)
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There is no whitepaper on it, but I can explain it. Hive has what is called a reverse auction in addition to time based curation. Also note curation rewards are 50% of the post rewards. The earlier you vote, the more curation rewards you earn as you can only earn rewards on those who vote after you (and an amount of your specific vote). This encourages people to vote as early as possible to get the most rewards. To prevent people from blindly voting on content just to earn the most rewards, the reverse auction penalizes anyone who votes within the first 5 minutes with a sliding scale. This system encourages people to vote on the most popular content as early as possible but not too early that you forfeit all your rewards. If you vote at 0 minutes, you forfeit 100% of your curation rewards. If you vote at 5 minutes, you forfeit 0%. 2.5 minutes you forfeit 50%. It is a linear reduction from 0 minutes to 5 minutes. (Historically it used to be 30 minutes, but then was changed to 15 minutes, then 5 minutes). Future hard fork will likely change it to 2 hours and remove remove any benefit to being "first" in the first two hours, in other words anyone who votes within 2 hours will get the same curation reward based on their stake (linear rewards, which explain in a second). After 2 hours, will revert back to normal time based curation rewards. There is also a curve on Hive, in short this means posts with higher rewards will snowball and get even more rewards and low reward posts will have a more difficult time getting more rewards until it hits a certain threshold (around $10 they intercept). This curve is to discourage spamming for low rewards as it is difficult to find and counter this abuse. Some tribes implement a curve on post rewards, some do not. Leo (and my tribe STEMGeeks) uses a linear distribution model, where you earn 50% of your vote regardless of when you vote. This encourages people to vote for what is "good" rather than what is profitable, and tries to encourage manual voting. It does not however take in account the lazy factor, and people just sticky votes as it no longer matters where you put them. The simple fact is, manual voting is a full time job and can take hours a day. Both systems have their benefits and their problems.
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guiltyparties | 0 | 233,401,255,699 | 100% | ||
boycharlieplays | 0 | 76,094,467,282 | 100% | ||
daltono | 0 | 94,553,349,239 | 6% | ||
tdre | 0 | 847,434,094,386 | 100% | ||
antisocialist | 0 | 92,660,285,926 | 20% | ||
valentin86 | 0 | 1,801,073,908 | 100% | ||
hiveqa | 0 | 13,464,576,046 | 20% | ||
hivecoffee | 0 | 2,333,674,115 | 100% | ||
tfranzini | 0 | 4,772,885,337 | 100% | ||
trostparadox | 0 | 474,593,227,913 | 100% | ||
aliento.leo | 0 | 207,047,781 | 30% |
This is probably the best explanation on this topic I've read so far. As a newcomer, it was a very valuable read! Thank you! Posted Using [LeoFinance <sup>Beta</sup>](https://leofinance.io/@tfranzini/re-themarkymark-nqgqz)
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Thanks for the clear and concise explanation! I am contemplating a system that rewards auto-vote curation differently from manual votes. Within the existing framework, is there a straightforward way to 'flag' a vote as manual vs. auto?
author | trostparadox |
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No there is not. You can only build systems that encourage certain behaviors but there are limitations with a tribe.
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If you have questions or need help with getting a tribe setup, feel free to hit me up on OpenHive.chat, [Discord](https://discord.gg/hc4xjwA), [Keybase](https://keybase.io/officialmarky), or BeeChat. The most critical thing is getting your tokenomics right as you can't change them later and it can drastically affect the success of your tribe.
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trostparadox | 0 | 466,410,624,268 | 100% |
Thanks! Will do.
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Your doing gods work!!
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