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steem · @tuck-fheman ·
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Why Isn't There Any Good STEEM API Documentation 1+ Year Later? AKA : Was Steemit Built to Fail?
### Claim : The STEEM API is basically unusable by most anyone outside of STINC and a few developers who've been in the ecosystem for a long period of time.  

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Trying to build an app to integrate with the STEEM API is a futile effort for most and from what I can see and am being told by others, STINC has done little to nothing in over a year to improve this situation.

The documentation is all over the place, outdated, hard to understand, gives very little reference or examples and is basically a clusterfuck for anyone not on Steemit talking with someone who has gleaned this hidden knowledge already, and those who have this hidden knowledge are not exactly available for consultation.

Which is odd because, all I hear @ned say repeatedly is that STINC wants others to build apps on the STEEM blockchain, yet very few can accomplish this due to the vague/incomplete/basically useless documentation available.

My views are based off a months worth of discussions with 5+ developers attempting to integrate one programs API with STEEM's. Not one of these Dev's can figure it out yet, and all of them state that it's due to the lack of or vague documentation on the STEEM API.

*"/shrug It's as if someone doesn't really want others building apps on this blockchain."*

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TL;DR

Here's what you can expect in the first month of trying to integrate with the STEEM API. 
*(Yes, your skin color will change too.)*

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2012/02/ice_cube_wtf_gqvqs30u.gif

http://i.imgur.com/yNen4e9.gif

https://media.tenor.com/images/4dfa1dd335f8885a026667441f4b8ab1/tenor.gif

http://gif-finder.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Charlie-Day-WTF.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/HlFDE0DEp9Gq4/giphy.gif


https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/68/53/b6/6853b696cbe0657b6a72acd62fd93062.gif


https://media.giphy.com/media/cSjLiA9uyPGuc/giphy.gif

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# STINC ... get your shit together!  This is sad and unacceptable.
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@alao · 
HAHAHA this was too funny not to upvote!!!
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@beautypics · 
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@bethalea ·
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I know this has been really frustrating, for you and for a lot of other people. Hopefully it's about to get better!

Oh, nice post, welcome to steemit, good community. 

#Poker. 

;)
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@brianphobos ·
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One of the reason why I didn't think STEEM was going to make it through it's nuclear winter was the lack of communication from Steemit Inc or anything that resembled anything logical.   It just looked like a money grab in a lot of ways.   But I'm convinced now that STEEM will survive.  But yeah it would seem that STEEMIT INC would take steps to encourage 3rd party development including granting certain users allotments to work on stuff.
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@clevercreator ·
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Okay, this is heart breaking because I really want to develop a couple of business applications. Thanks for the warning before I go to fund raising.

Who are these Five Brilliant Steemians? And what can we do to help STINC build better materials?
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@flashbid · 
Same here at @clevercreator if you've noticed I stopped writing and just drop in the chats to say hi to you guys. I am still convinced that Steemit was an experiment and that most of us were misused. Expect Stall tactics until EOS becomes more than Unobtanium and this is rendered obsolete. The name of the game is to stay ahead, so give them time to get their apps in place and the rest of us will get our hands on the Magical formulas to try to make what they've already have running lol
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@clevercreator · 
The goal now is to make sure that it is unable to be rendered obsolete. You have more power than you realize.
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@dianclasher · 
Interesting posts and can make people entertained .. thanks @tuck-fheman.
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@drakos · 
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@ezequieltorres · 
very good !!
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@fivefiveeleven ·
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Hard work is about to pay off man, we are going through hard times, but we are here to support, and as a community we are gonna get what we want. Keep it up my man. POKER FTW!!!
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@fkofficials · 
Good post thanks for shairing @fkofficials
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@followbtcnews ·
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I can 100% attest to this. I have 2 full time developers working on apps for Steemit, both are very experienced in other blockchains and are continually bitching at me about steemit docs and asking me questions that they shouldn't have to ask
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@free999enigma · 
'Was Steemit Built to Fail?" i hope not i came here to stay not just to make money and then run with'em
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@goldfishdotpoker ·
$0.55
Fully agree with this.

Extremely important issue to the platform's growth potential.
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@hrhabibur · 
Great post.
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@ionlysaymeep · 
meep
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@nicnas · 
Seriously MEEP. Who says great post in the heat of debate like that?
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@justinw · 
This seems relevant here :)

https://steemit.com/steemdev/@justinw/how-easy-it-is-to-develop-steem-blockchain-apps-with-video-tutorial
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@lebekons ·
$0.14
Experts, please answer. You can help a lot of stemians.
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@lexiconical · 
Is it possible that this issue is related to Steemit being in "Beta" still, and documentation is not yet finalized?
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@murda-ra · (edited)
@ned also had statement that Steem is going out of "beta" and @dan stated that in February, when he decided to leave Steem behind and continue with his EOS "Eth + Steem = Not but Dan", how he said "Steem is now mature platform".... 

Both left mess and shit around. Agree totally!

Im having same issues with WordPress apps myself

Cheers

Luci
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@mynameisbrian ·
$0.19
Here is a good API explorer ;)
http://steemroll.io/api-explorer
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@alao · 
![notworking.PNG](https://steemitimages.com/DQmSoigNoYQgVz5GBES8dSAstQNWEFNP85VpHNaB3ptpKTy/notworking.PNG)

Pretty ironic don't ya think...
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@goldfishdotpoker · 
Only if you didn't get the joke.
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@goldfishdotpoker · 
That was genuinely funny.
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@tinh · 
the link is definitely broken
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@tuck-fheman ·
$0.07
Yeah, that's what I expected. :)
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@mynameisbrian ·
$1.41
That's the #2 Google search result
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@staticinstance · 
yeah, bad link
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@ned · (edited)
Clearly not everyone is failing at this, just see 100+ apps on SteemTools.com.  Although docs can be improved, maybe it's time ask some of the devs who are doing things successfully.

And confirm you've read this API and python docs: https://steemit.github.io/steemit-docs/
http://steem.readthedocs.io/en/latest/steem.html

![Snip20170807_42.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmTNV11SR156k8rQVCBUAaVhWjXBfypJ6R8UkrK3t1jwMA/Snip20170807_42.png)
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@alao ·
$3.02
It looks a little bit intimidating.. I know he community it trying to improve on things but even people who have some programming knowledge have found it hard to develop on the steem blockchain.  I can't really speak until I give it the good ole college try.  I'll let you know what I come up with 😎
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@kodaxx ·
$0.22
I have struggled as well - and I've developed blockchain apps for other coins. These docs are really not suitable to get someone up and running very quickly. Yes, we could go through the source code of other apps and look around until we understand....but the purpose of an API is to be fast and easy to implement I thought?
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@nicnas · 
Struggled with it myself
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@randowhale · 
This post received a 3.2% upvote from @randowhale thanks to @alao!  For more information, [click here](https://steemit.com/steemit/@randowhale/randowhale-is-now-only-1-steem-sbd-per-vote-spread-the-news)!
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@bashadow · 
Sometimes you just can not lead the blind. God knows you seem to try like hell, and we all hope they one day regain their sight.
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@danlupi · 
good point ned.. I think doco is pretty decent.. I have build some apps and they come online soon.  There is also this http://steem.readthedocs.io/en/latest/steem.html
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@drakos ·
$1.38
I wish I could get a $500+ upvote on my comments one day.
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@alao · 
LOL that is what happens when you are a whale.
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@bethalea ·
$0.14
i gave you my penny! lol

;)
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@flashbid · 
Shhhhh my vote didn't even move ya... I tried. How many Steemers does it take to be a @ned ?????? With that said, it is still a good sign of what this can be when you can get a direct response from the top. Which means that ultimately the Top is not too far no matter who you are. Please don't lose that Steem!!
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@leotrap · 
Are you saying it ironically?
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@mynameisbrian ·
$0.16
How is a $1.30 upvote?
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@internetguy ·
$2.17
@ned I tried contacting a developer of a couple popular apps on Steemtools and he answered "a real developer doesn't need help".  And I've read those docs, they are written in tech language (im no pro developer although i did graduate college with degree in computer science )  and it would be nice to have it written in a "for Dummies" style language. With PHP or Python or Javascript code snippets people could use to start making things. When I wanted to integrate payments on my website, Paypal gave me a php script that does that. Just upload to my site and my website now communicating with Paypal. Would be awesome if there was a php script to access steem blockchain.
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@nicnas · 
thats the problem. It isnt even written for pros. It seems to be someones notes and thats about it. I have professional dev friends that it left their Mouths hanging open after looking at it. I got further than they did with making it work. But a few real live examples, like there is for posting/commenting/voting would be nice for transactions. Making the voting,commenting, posting, following etc etc was really easy.
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@mynameisbrian ·
$2.99
> just see 100+ apps on SteemTools.com

Some of those apps are great, but how many are *broken, outdated, or just plain stupid*?
I would classify the 2 steem related apps that I have developed as the latter.

Touting the 100+ number as a major achievement might be misrepresenting the robustness of the development community.
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@nicnas · (edited)
$1.87
The key here is that SPL has the opportunity to only improve and grow SteemIt. This API doesnt seem to work and as you said the docs suck tuck. I think a lot of the devs, or the few that still have it working, are either too busy or like to keep it inside knowledge. If the reason for the API is to grow steemit and allow outside applications, then a quick walk through on how to get the transactions to work would help. I was able to get everything figured out except this aspect. But it almost seems as if its a secret. Usually github docs are self explanatory. This one is a mess. You guys are making bank and if you want this to grow as mentioned many times please invest the time/money to fix the documentation for this aspect of steemit. I would like to use it. Not to be rich but to improve how the process of accounts and transactions as well as amazing communities like SPL use Steem. SteemIt and steem has soo much room to grow still. 

## Help us!! Help You!!! ##
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@revo · 
I think you've hit the nail on the head, @nicnas.  Unlike other platforms where people do stuff for free and the geek factor, here it seems to be all about how much money they can mine out of the system with 'first-movers' advantage.  They don't want to help others as that would mean reducing their own chances for cornering the app market (which due to the nature of steem means even free apps can generate good income).
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@personz ·
$1.75
Yep I agree, the docs should be improved. I personally had to do a lot of head scratching to get a few bots and apps out. Looking forward to this, and the Steemit Whitepaper update. If you can spare the resources it would be awesome to get someone on docs, or even make a new hire.
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@revo ·
$0.46
How do you ask them?  Who are they?  Where are they?  There's no central forum anywhere.  It's a shambles.
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@ned · (edited)
Sure. Their steem @account-names are usually on the steemtools.com cards.  They can be messages right on steem by sending .001 steem to them with a memo and sometimes their Steemit.chat handles are the same and they could be messaged there. There is a #dev channel there and many also hang out in #witness.
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@richhersey ·
$0.03
Oh, snap. 

The documentation may be weak, but together we can make it work when we ask, *"What kind of app do you want to develop?"*
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@steeminator3000 ·
$0.14
Wow for 500 dolar upvote I can be king of the Kebabland !
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@bigpchef · 
lol
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@thedevchick · 
I wrote a step-by-step tutorial on how to build an app with a live demo here: https://steemit.com/steem-dev/@thedevchick/steem-building-your-own-steem-app-like-steem-cool-quickly-and-understanding-how-you-did-it

Maybe it could help some of the people that want to work with the steem blockchain but are having a hard time getting started. It can be intimidating at first but i tried to make that article as exhaustively explanatory as possible.
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@tuck-fheman ·
$42.16
Yeah, they're all busy @ned. I asked half a dozen here first and only few even bothered to respond that they are tied up on other projects. And I doubt there are more than a dozen that can do this as it stands.

How many of those 100+ apps are created by the same person/people @ned?  

How many Dev's are there that can actually build something using the STEEM API?  

How many of them are available for consultation at any given time or have time to simply answer the question, "Hey are you available to work on a project?".  My results are far different from your propaganda.

Wouldn't creating some decent docs so outside Dev's don't have to spend months catching up to those who have inside access be a far better solution than **continuing to promote this propaganda that it's actually very simple to integrate with the STEEM API** ... apparently because a select few insiders have been able to talk with Dan or other insiders for nearly a year?

That seems like a far more successful business plan than upvoting yourself $500 for a snarky response to someone trying to build a community focused app on the STEEM blockchain, or maybe that's just me (and the rest of us).
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@britt.the.ish ·
$4.40
100% agree with @tuck-fheman, the docs aren't even close to being usable.  An API is only as successful as its documentation.  @ned you're right, there are 100+ apps on Steemit ... with proper documentation, that number would be 5x larger and there would be considerably more robust tools.  

Essentially you're squeezing a hose and cutting off 95% of the flow of water, and then pointing at a bucket and saying "look it's full" while we're over here telling you that you could've filled up the pool by now.
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@leotrap · 
I'm quite new in here but as I can see this kind of behaviour, in not good for anyone! I thought Steemit was for people, what a shame! and bad example for minnows too, as me.. lol Anyway...don't forget to enjoy live...
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@ned ·
$0.31
> continuing to promote this propaganda that it's actually very simple to integrate with the STEEM API ... apparently because a select few insiders have been able to talk with Dan or other insiders for nearly a year?

If you like, I'll let you know the handfuls who I know got in there without any coaching and make introductions.
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@ned · (edited)
$1.23
Steem application devs who jumped in with both feet and owned it

Steem handle: 
@furion   
@someguy123
@xeroc
@ausbitbank
@fabien
@bitcoiner
@roelandp
@almost-digital
@blueorgy
@mauricemikkers
@good-karma
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@klye
@inertia
@cardboard
@jesta
@modprobe
@pharesim
@arcange
@heimindanger
@netuoso
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@void

this is a list gathered from steemtools.com and steemit.chat/price, if I can make any introductions, please let me know in steemit.chat
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@nicnas · (edited)
$1.60
I hope you get some answers, or help. Maybe I am no professional developer or anything but I learn quick and can learn just about anything. The transactions aspect of the APIs is another story. The difficulty of it was verified when professional devs couldn't get it to work. Most be some sort of trick somewhere to get it to. Anyways I hope we can get this figured out, for your sake at least @tuck-fheman.
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@paolobeneforti · (edited)
the most worrying thing, IMHO, is thinking if this delay in development/updating is due to problems in S.INC. And, of course, the management can't answer to this.
I think that at least an update of the roadmap is needed. Just to reassure the investors.
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@pilcrow ·
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Glad I'm not the only one frustrated about this. I'm trying to develop a Steemit app myself, but the documentation is so lacking I often spend way too much time figuring out a simple API call. 

I bet if they paid someone for a week or two to write decent documentation it would pay them back in no time purely because better 3rd party apps would be written.
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@revo · 
Yeah.

(that's about all I can say.  I'm too exhausted from searching for and reading random non-authoratitive documents trying to work out how to interact with the blockchain)
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@slickhustler007 · 
Ever thought for a sec that this was part of the design when it first got started as a means to limit things on the platform. I agree that the issues should be resolved as soon as possible, but part of me feels its all apart of the design. Who am I though, this just my 2 cents
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@stackin ·
$0.14
Time will tell, I'm no programmer but it's good to get this out on the table so we can become better 😬
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@tommyquest ·
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ironic that the main post is 'worth' less than a self-voted snarky 'reply' - that kind of thing will ultimately kill the platform as it disenchants newcomers and quality content providers - once again the rich get richer and the rest languish in the doldrums.  sad
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@trefifund · 
Very interesting.. Thanks.
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@tuck-fheman · 
@sneak too, I just couldn't remember your name.
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@usmanjaved8887 · 
Good effort man .
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@voyceatlas · 
We should just do it. We should start our own docs based off of what when can figure out and go from there. I am so ready to do this but I have had the same issue.
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