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>"In the human brain, the information that we create and calculate is not always correct. We make mistakes over and over again. But the machines donβt make mistakes like that." Then we will always be superior to our tools, because we will make mistakes we learn from. Once I made a mistake and cut my thumb on a broken shell. As undesirable as that may have seemed, it has become the reason I do not suffer from pain as I would had I not cut my thumb. Pain is just input. Suffering is a choice. One interesting feature of our minds is that we can choose what they are, what we perceive, and whether we are happy or not. It is not what happens to us that makes us happy. It is not what happens to us that makes us suffer. We choose those things. Every good thing you are is something you have learned to be from making a mistake you did not intend to make, and no one would have programmed you to make. It is our weaknesses that most strengthen us, and how much so is unquantifiable. It is a qualitative difference between us and machines, and that isn't just a matter of more qubits. Also, I'm not talking about one protein. I'm talking about the dance of them that results in our actions. That complexity is absolutely as simple as possible, with all extraneous crap shaved from the bone during ~4Byr or evolution. That degree of complexity is utterly beyond our present conception, and that must precede our improvement over that general utility in the engineering of an AI that can improve on it's performance.
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You manipulate humans every day. I manipulate humans every day. The con-artists and mobsters of the world manipulate millions of people every day. Humans aren't "magical". Most of them are Pavlovian dogs. Imagine what you could do with a computer advisor that could beat any "game"? What goal would you aim it towards? Self-sufficiency? Imagine how it might advise you to achieve that goal?
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I can but disagree that some gaming computer could manipulate me. I do not manipulate people daily, or at all if I can help it. There are negotiations, but that is not manipulation. It's important to understand little differences when propagandists are trying to sway your reason with subtle bludgeons like words. I, were I a programmer, could seek to turn the gaming AI into useful AI to dispense feed to my tilapia in my aquaponics system, or something similar, but I have no interest in coercion, compulsion, or conning others. I expect to live and die from my hard work. In a catastrophic event, such as 2021 is shaping up to be, I expect the worthless and the worthy to be valued accordingly, and live or die based on their value to society - which isn't gaming computers. Folks capable of better but living as slaves will either attain better or suffer the consequences of sloth in busy times. Death cures all diseases.
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> There are negotiations, but that is not manipulation. INTERACTION = MANIPULATION I'm not communicating with you "for no reason". You're not communicating with me "for no reason". We'd like to think it's for "our mutual benefit", but that's not really anyone's primary motivation.
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