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Modern Science Is A Religion! Prove Me Wrong... by veritopian

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Modern Science Is A Religion! Prove Me Wrong...
## Science is Better Than Religion

It cannot be disputed - *science is better than religion*.

By that I mean *knowledge is better than superstition*, because that's what those words really mean in today's English. It's better to *know* than to *believe*. No one can dispute that, it's self-evident.

> religion: the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

> science: a systematically organized body of knowledge on a particular subject.

> belief: an acceptance that something exists or is true, *especially one without proof.*

Belief is basically worthless, only knowledge has any real functional value. Belief is of no use to the scientist, it's only a hindrance.


## I Love Science

Science - knowledge - is what it's all about on planet Earth... That's why were here - to learn the truth - and act on it.

But is modern science 100% scientific, or is it a bit superstitious too?

> superstition: excessively credulous belief in and reverence for the supernatural.

> supernatural: attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.


## Modern Science's Dirty Secret

It seems that a large part of modern science is founded on a principle which is supernatural, and quite unscientific.

It's a principle so embedded in science, that people take it for granted and crucially: **Never think it through for themselves...** 

This is modern science's embarrasment, and it makes it a superstition, and a religion, and not science at all...

Yes, modern science is a religion, because it believes in a supernatural deity - beyond the laws of nature.

This deity is called *'Chance'* and she is invoked by scientists, just as any supernatural spirit may be, by any priest.

Chance is the 'anti-christ' of science, it's nemesis, it's antithesis... Chance *negates, undermines, and overturns* science.

It's a completely illogical concept.


## Random Chance is a Blind God

> random: made, done, or happening without method or conscious decision.

Without *method*.

Or, to use the 'scientific' term (rolls eyes):

> acausal: not governed or operating by the laws of cause and effect.

If something is truly random, and has no cause, then it is outside of the laws of nature, and outside the scope of science.

All knowledge comes in the form of cause-and-effect, and science can only deal with cause and effect.

Every scientific paper ever written deals with causes and their effects. This is all that science is and can be.

If something existed that was a causeless effect it would *break science*.

It would also have to be outside nature - because everything we observe in nature is the result of a prior cause.


## Logic Dictates: Universe Was Created By an Intelligent God.

The only alternative theory for the creation of the Universe put forward by modern science is that the Universe was created by a 'random quantum flutuation', and that evolution progressed by 'random' mutation.

'Random' is the only alternative put forward. No other.

That's because, logically it's a binary choice. There can only be two options... They've got *nothing* else.

The Universe had to have been created by something, and that something had to be either intelligent, or unintelligent. These are the only possibilities.

Random is an unintelligent creator: Something that can effect changes to nature, without being part of nature, but without any reason or plan.

This is ridiculous, and an insult to logic and my limited intelligence.

Given the choice between an intelligent creator, and random static as the cause of reality, only one makes any sense at all.

I'm happy to debate this with anyone who can formulate a proper argument. Please try to prove me wrong.


Thanks for reading.
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@anarchyhasnogods ·
Hilbert space every possibility of every particle does happen it is not chance we do not believe in it you have no idea what you are talking about
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@discernente ·
For modern science not everything needs to be caused. The ontological causality is a dogma already disproved by science, which only uses the methodological causality.

So far science knows the following uncaused and spontaneous events: radioactive decay, Casimir effect, quantum entanglement, quantum tunneling, the quantum vacuum fluctuations, Hawking radiation, virtual particles.
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@veritopian ·
Hi, thanks for your reply...
But what is their proof that these things are actually *uncaused*, versus the possibility that the mechanism is simply unknown?
There is none, and there can be none...
The null hypothesis states that is it impossible to prove an absence of something, such as cause. 
So it's logically impossible for the things you mention to have been proven to be 'uncaused'... You are mistaken.
Causality cannot be 'disproven' by science, because proof requires causality...!!!

You have proven my point that modern science is a religion resting on faith and belief, and it's followers are unfamiliar with logic. Thank you.
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@cryptosteem ·
I want to be proven wrong ok let's start by saying science is not trying to eliminate God, but provides signs that go exist, check this out, u must watch this I have many more profs https://youtu.be/yG9nuyDoK28
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@discernente · (edited)
Proof in science does not require causation, only requires experimentation. The radioactive decay for example, we abandoned causality for it, but it is proven, even without a cause. And the absence of cause is the explanation most accepted today. We have no reason to assume the ontological and absolute causality, without having how to prove this dogma, and I don't think that one day we will be able to prove that causality is always a necessity.
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@discernente ·
It may seem counterintuitive to say that causality is not an absolute truth, but in reality it only exists in the macro world. When we go to the subatomic world, many of our intuitions are not worth anything.
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@monsoondrain · (edited)
Science is finished I reckon, the standard model of physics is no more and the peer review system has been utterly corrupted by powerful vested interests manipulating the results to suit their stockholders portfolios. As for the comparatively recent battle between faith and reason, its seems as if reason has lost. 

We are not a reasonable or rational species at all and never will be, if you doubt this have a look at any TV news channel, whats on there is not the work of a rational species is it? We are capable of rationalising but thats about it.  

The big thing about God is that he doesn't make any sense at all,  I do think you should read some theology to see what your opponents believe and think before you come on here loaded for Bear.
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@veritopian ·
Chuckle. No idea what 'loaded for Bear' means... :)
Science is a mess. People are a mess. TV is the perfect example, you're right about that... Right about rationalising too - that's 'thinking' for the permanently asleep...

I've read plenty theology. I know what they think, and I disagree with most of it. And there's a better answer too... None of it's rocket science, just simple logic.

Humans can be either logical or illogical, we have two brains and two minds to choose from. Yin is illogical and competitive, Yang is logical and cooperative. It's our choice, but Yin is the default.

The Yang mind is the one we should be working on. That's the path to freedom... :)
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@madmovond ·
Your definition of logic rests solely on empirical data. My definition of logic goes beyond our flawed human ability to describe the universe -- because it has to. There are many things that science cannot explain, and some things that science will likely never explain. Modern science had to adopt faith because technology has opened and shut too many doors for foot planting conclusions to occur more than rarely. This is due to the fact that some things defy what you or I would define as "logical". An exhausting argument in semantics is all we have without considering the supernatural. Our universe is not as black and white as your argument is trying to make it seem. 

You're entitled to disagree with all the theology you want, but that doesn't make it false. That only makes it your opinion against their experience. Science can only describe. It cannot explain.
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@monsoondrain ·
Christianty says this is the heresy of Manicheeism, to see everything in terms of black and white. I don't know why you say we have two brains, last time I looked I only had one. Take care now.
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