The return of the @upme bid-bot by verodato

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steem · @verodato · Jul 24 '18

$46.63

The return of the @upme bid-bot

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![image.png](https://ipfs.busy.org/ipfs/QmWWPMgW3EBmmogKuSpkszZANEgzNQET2x1GLXiBFQ2jwd)

This is part of a series on how much delegators get from investing in bid-bots. See https://busy.org/@verodato/the-return-of-the-bid-bot for more information. 

The @upme bid-bot was created at the end of August 2017. It has a very hight delegator concentration: the @freedom account has delegated 99.4% of the @upme total delegation received, as can be seen in the chart above.  

This bid-bot's expenses are mostly done via “encrypted memo”. The refunds to users of the bid-bot are the second main type of transfer memo and account for 6.7% of the @upme expenses, as shown in the chart below. 
![image.png](https://ipfs.busy.org/ipfs/QmZw9VQuCF2q78DDhDVw4kS1FP7JkfQGfrzRm18VfAxQvu)
When expenses are aggregated by their destination account, most of them, as was expected, go to the main delegating account, @freedom. We can see in the chart below that two relatively important destination accounts are exchanges: Bittrex and Binance. 

![image.png](https://ipfs.busy.org/ipfs/QmdF6gfw1mhFMzagEndUSWNDEBdmTqhkoEX868wc1YGmku)

Given that one delegator is so dominant, we estimate the @freedom rate of return on delegations to @upme as the rate of return of this bid-bot. The table below shows the dollar values of the estimated cash flow between @freedom and @upme.  The annualized rate of return went from a high of 78% in January 2018 to a low of 24% in June 2018. The total interest payments to the delegator in this period was USD 509,701 and the monthly average delegation value was USD 2,043,312. So we find a 25% rate of return on investment for the 7 months period. This is equivalent to a nice 46% annualized rate of return on investment in the @upme bid-bot. 

![image.png](https://ipfs.busy.org/ipfs/QmUtMJ9dJt6w4wHDatKff31haANkSRnQpfeYZncT9pns3N)

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👎 mattdylan

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tim-rumford	297,694,960	78.95%
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zentat	326,049,375	78.95%
sethlinson	1,747,620,096	78.95%
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simonjay	7,921,337,392	5%
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drakmin	32,010,423,721	78.95%
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decebal2dac	5,452,069,647	78.95%
sqube	2,423,439,799	78.95%
steemcollator	36,763,748,019	78.95%
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steve123	101,201,238	78.95%
marcosespes1	3,403,030,849	78.95%
deaconlee	19,233,622,958	78.95%
elgeko	293,034,290,670	78.95%
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steemitboard	440,531,050	1%
eaposztrof	2,068,096,827	78.95%
qxl	2,804,045,636	78.95%
abso	616,167,918	78.95%
nicnicy	7,977,100,493	78.95%
businesswri	1,201,995,367	78.95%
treebuilder	8,742,700,478	78.95%
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brains1ck	1,229,244,416	78.95%
nuad01	682,553,579	78.95%
evesick	2,080,682,662	78.95%
mrright	10,736,276,479	78.95%
stimialiti	9,784,027,811	100%
outerground	30,855,353,749	78.95%
olgavdovskikh	476,763,031	78.95%
frankydoodle	7,113,889,219	78.95%
itchykitten	10,295,904,036	78.95%
kishan	644,292,439	78.95%
joklahoma	3,967,656,117	78.95%
vizualsamuri	7,373,863,500	78.95%
beckenbauer	37,423,873,051	78.95%
kingyus	659,040,590	78.95%
shawnfishbit	196,960,599	78.95%
opinizeunltd	14,237,601,812	78.95%
cryptokidd	133,688,628,827	25%
jatinarora	137,254,295	78.95%
jjjjosue	69,913,292	78.95%
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realcodysimon	7,988,541,544	78.95%
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jga	35,217,745,641	100%
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mikegun	17,091,217,914	78.95%
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abdulrehman	364,711,898	78.95%
natra	20,022,235,568	78.95%
guiltyparties	8,397,370,195	100%
safran	27,150,625,796	100%
wishmaiden	1,936,567,208	78.95%
benniebanana	238,725,859	78.95%
booster	6,254,401,769,847	14.66%
minhnguyen1994	1,910,176,445	100%
ragnartheking	267,828,834	78.95%
hausbau	672,303,062	78.95%
kenhudoy	5,750,411,035	78.95%
mustafeez	464,968,668	78.95%
zaiyn	756,903,500	78.95%
sphinx	235,873,150	100%
mohsan0073	85,583,456	78.95%
satfit	263,402,039	78.95%
mitchiesfoodrace	25,670,234,997	78.95%
agr8buzz	23,964,427,977	78.95%
freecreative	91,046,744	78.95%
stock84	629,680,804	78.95%
philip.willemse	466,948,654	78.95%
funfacts	186,876,268	78.95%
iamnotageek	1,454,457,095	78.95%
cryptojake	2,005,907,414	78.95%
rest100	58,859,591,081	78.95%
crypto2day	41,135,931,745	78.95%
mrslauren	42,594,349,828	78.95%
oregonpop	83,883,964,051	78.95%
onza	914,180,614	78.95%
icedrum	39,440,296,630	78.95%
reborn99	466,989,611	78.95%
animapaddy	468,282,259	78.95%
mezmerizer9	468,259,901	78.95%
abenike	1,335,393,951	78.95%
helmirenggrik	167,308,585	78.95%
mmagreat	1,615,033,440	78.95%
thelifestyler	4,739,140,889	78.95%
kyawsantun	3,193,644,423	78.95%
ladyrednails	9,718,877,255	78.95%
madcool	157,081,488	78.95%
mamata	462,887,042	78.95%
ronnybat	464,309,184	78.95%
ahmad.rezk	460,844,750	78.95%
omrii	466,832,539	78.95%
seyico2011	90,717,730	78.95%
simplygorgeous	384,058,207	78.95%
jonasthomas	591,230,581	78.95%
amlehtnewo	466,948,654	78.95%
showtime	667,371,150	78.95%
pickled	7,203,610,010	78.95%
finesse203	1,911,712,202	78.95%
tonimarco	29,904,006,876	78.95%
steemdrivingman	1,286,682,854	78.95%
aek081969	660,144,937	78.95%
iliketoast	273,208,526	78.95%
tomtom87	462,887,042	78.95%
saini11	131,965,318	78.95%
hellmerlin	461,926,938	78.95%
youngfuego	357,110,947	78.95%
andysmancave	893,707,045	78.95%
treasuregnome	8,082,314,858	78.95%
frontrunner	31,822,513,741	78.95%
ryanarcher	269,192,071	78.95%
mustafa4101996	448,636,942	78.95%
maxbullion	138,686,279,374	78.95%
skyhooks	4,838,568,564	78.95%
upvoted	339,612,171	78.95%
gardenbsquared	25,542,186,906	100%
ketikasharma	436,466,152	78.95%
dorthmaen	791,915,612	78.95%
gellany	459,841,732	78.95%
bakhtiarzehri	1,123,634,940	78.95%
scorpionking	458,816,944	78.95%
ganandoenbtc	464,628,578	78.95%
eosint	374,382,782	78.95%
voltsrage	464,730,114	78.95%
joulia	461,356,025	78.95%
steingal	13,534,170,074	78.95%
mightywarrior	224,141,635	78.95%
jgr33nwood	674,138,531	78.95%
saadithya	2,276,144,043	78.95%
ferdyrochier	474,610,475	78.95%
tastytrade	467,601,169	78.95%
buildawhale	10,404,692,169,642	14.16%
merosalah	162,249,689	78.95%
ravenrillay	461,488,736	78.95%
basbombjas	474,610,475	78.95%
fanataorag	474,610,475	78.95%
jim-borasso-band	462,887,042	78.95%
benjy87	644,416,565	78.95%
belgarath	25,007,081,957	78.95%
failshub	98,056,238	78.95%
hoxly	303,229,348	0.19%
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serfis	61,545,938	78.95%
nakedtrader	175,526,201	78.95%
jovial-grace	17,556,980,663	78.95%
zuhrareza	443,131,016	78.95%
boomerang	2,576,690,701,815	10.46%
phuresh	267,083,920	78.95%
erikkun28	374,846,047	78.95%
videogeek	1,291,818,760	78.95%
s10	659,769,970	78.95%
derkon	16,413,530,407	78.95%
da-primate	464,732,692	78.95%
aser1111	1,759,187,644	78.95%
mrpirated	494,573,465	78.95%
hillstech	460,000,599	78.95%
maanroov	474,610,475	78.95%
amanda46536	444,898,968	78.95%
promor	474,610,475	78.95%
junigo	474,610,475	78.95%
dogid	474,610,475	78.95%
travelingdiva	461,982,328	78.95%
maans	240,876,186	39.47%
happyclappy	465,792,444	78.95%
ianfreeman	455,397,864	78.95%
chucknasty	455,820,993	78.95%
direwolf	24,001,449,100	100%
arunavabiswas	468,143,417	78.95%
nithog	574,660,496	100%
resteemstream	86,151,017	78.95%
tujan	443,911,215	78.95%
lawyerup	16,213,195,091	78.95%
liberta	1,738,622,085	78.95%
jfkenndy	3,072,095,339	78.95%
embomb701	41,927,908,607	78.95%
rikip94	277,979,603	78.95%
bjjworldtraveler	15,746,030,082	78.95%
silasdavid	872,496,956	78.95%
cryptoclick	6,220,464,728	78.95%
crypt0boy	464,792,411	78.95%
futuredigicoin	340,576,576	78.95%
genya.kharitonov	467,601,169	78.95%
airdroptator	1,066,538,657	39.47%
co-op.blogs	467,601,169	78.95%
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freemon	465,171,839	78.95%
sahertanveer	464,119,192	78.95%
vlasmp	468,712,263	78.95%
kofibeatz	747,800,482	78.95%
pllo3llo	1,235,495,083	78.95%
znnuksfe	942,383,554	50%
graytor	495,425,876	78.95%
ceyksparrow	467,474,711	78.95%
mercurybot	363,237,822,347	12.73%
cryptotash101	3,430,843,308	78.95%
verodato	542,338,746,812	100%
vivianka	669,488,031	78.95%
mirabdullah	461,347,523	78.95%
dashdipak	460,844,750	78.95%
stonechaisson	461,039,610	78.95%
aylan	5,242,039,611	78.95%
zulbahri	864,417,197	78.95%
btcbaby	467,451,363	78.95%
uxmanqaxim	406,283,873	78.95%
enkel	468,379,239	78.95%
mindtrap	22,400,500,462	15%
ozywashere	1,742,876,262	78.95%
osere	463,564,266	78.95%
brunoaco91	467,643,994	78.95%
thaha1	758,436,558	78.95%
jguzman394	26,008,672,824	78.95%
fantomcee	460,803,285	78.95%
historyfromworld	462,270,581	78.95%
mickeyvera	373,721,838	78.95%
nicholasjohn	357,704,480	78.95%
hafizalam5556	463,700,929	78.95%
minnowbootcamp	25,639,836,097	78.95%
eddy4king	463,129,809	78.95%
bitmycoin	1,570,377,106	78.95%
nova-nazirah	457,205,818	78.95%
kurtringimages	460,115,582	78.95%
stephanieangel	467,786,535	78.95%
sabarniati.aceh	465,832,246	78.95%
scandinaviaguide	3,241,210,500	78.95%
eloniy	598,366,221	78.95%
moserich	10,641,519,562	100%
nauman944	463,781,346	78.95%
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battlemountain2k	16,184,927,302	78.95%
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aungmyinthu	458,248,044	78.95%
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mlgcrypto	8,427,956,817	78.95%
deusx	455,853,300	78.95%
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mahfuzur773	1,048,523,044	78.95%
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zorank	1,268,715,283	100%
wonderboy3e	296,824,308	100%
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gnomba	259,417,759	100%
mb786	461,266,251	78.95%
kipla	0	100%
oinch	541,713,256	100%
magnuzing	96,138,409	78.95%
saramaynes	96,138,383	78.95%
vegavega	96,138,369	78.95%
mikleee	96,138,362	78.95%
zer0zen	96,138,353	78.95%
icarussky	96,138,347	78.95%
dandywendy	99,277,719	78.95%
rochart	96,138,329	78.95%
merzen	96,138,322	78.95%
edgar8	96,138,300	78.95%
loefah	96,138,294	78.95%
digestus	96,138,288	78.95%
wegenere	96,138,284	78.95%
belleg	96,138,136	78.95%
mahooni	96,138,127	78.95%
respir	96,138,121	78.95%
mounni	96,138,115	78.95%
vassner	96,138,107	78.95%
byteer	96,138,094	78.95%
gl0ria	96,138,088	78.95%
keggler	98,604,734	78.95%
kekmac	96,138,076	78.95%
zekkler	99,053,205	78.95%
guevaran	96,138,064	78.95%
zandana	96,138,059	78.95%
ylook	96,138,054	78.95%
benderas	96,138,047	78.95%
tegutt	96,138,041	78.95%
menomp	96,138,026	78.95%
estelleh	474,602,801	78.95%
elainem8	474,602,801	78.95%
jamesni8	474,602,801	78.95%
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mattdylan	-54,723,245	-100%

@accelerator · Jul 28 '18

$0.87

Interesting analysis. Although not a bidbot, my MAP Rewarder fund makes similar returns, although the APR for an upvote continues to edge downwards at about 22%. Making more than this is possible in the bidbot model mainly because of negative ROIs possible at the end of each bidding cycle.

👍 verodato

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@annabel1122 · Jul 31 '18

$0.56

I am happy to see this news :) i am already using this bot and gave me most of the things

👍 verodato

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verodato	0 B		330,018,399,389	50%

@arunava · Jul 28 '18

@verodato I am currently looking to lease some SteemPower. Would you like to lease some of your SP to me for weekly Payments.  Please do reply.

👍 cheneats

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@verodato · Jul 28 '18

hi, @arunava, why don't you try https://www.minnowbooster.net/lease?

👍 mbot

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@arunava · Jul 28 '18

@verodato Will you fill-up my order if I put up one??

👍 cheneats

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2 replies

@boomerang · Jul 25 '18

This post has received a 10.46 % upvote from @boomerang.

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@booster · Jul 25 '18

<p>This post has received a 14.67 % upvote from @booster thanks to: @verodato.</p>

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@guiltyparties · Jul 25 '18

$1.06

These analysis are real interesting.  Just stumbled on your account now and reading through them all.

👍 verodato

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@verodato · Jul 25 '18

$1.05

You are welcome, @guiltyparties!

👍 verodato

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@introduce.bot · Jul 24 '18

$0.25

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👍 abusereports

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@mindtrap · Jul 24 '18

$1.13

Having all that power @freedom account has, you can basically set your own rules. 46% annual rate is pretty good. 
Great analysis once again @verodato

👍 verodato

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@verodato · Jul 25 '18

$0.03

that's a juice rate! thanks, @mindtrap!

👍 mindtrap, lumix

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@mindtrap · Jul 25 '18

$0.95

You are most welcome my friend. Always enjoy your analysis

👍 verodato

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@stimialiti · Jul 25 '18

$9.63

Interesting why he switched from Bittrex to Binance.
I could not register to Bittrex since they decline new registrations without invitations.
I remember that I was surprised that both bittrex and blocktrades froze their Steem wallets, similar to what poloniex did before them, but for much shorter periods of time.
I also oppose centralized exchanges, but Bitshares does not let me register from my PC, and unlike Byteball, I got no help in the case of Bitshares' case.
Having checked my Byteball wallet, it seems its (powered by Changelly) fees are 0.75%, which is more than what I pay to my bank when trading.

This is how bitshares greets me now when I try the online exchange:
![](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmakQJLniNaPSVobwFR7Le2DWi6SWyNyfR7QuuzYQbDzrW/image.png)

It used to be a different screen, but they worked to change it.

I never saw anyone else complain about it, so I wonder why suggeelson refrains from Bitshares, since it is safer due to its decentralization and I read that it is also cheap.

My reasons for refraining from upme are its grump compliance - the 3.5 days deadline, which is unfair both to genuine curators and to better bidbots, and the "if you don't like it, don't use it" reply of its owner to a legitimate complaint by a bidder which I saw.
The 3.5 days deadline also makes it less profitable, due to the slower recycle of rewards.
At least he does not have a no refunds policy and its automatic refunds are quite good from what I saw, but I stopped following this bot.

I think that in order to reach the main (with no regards to tags) trending page, one should use all of the biggest bidbots, since others do and this created an arms race which forces everyone whom wants to reach trending to use all of the biggest bidbots.
I care about ROI and reputation, much less about exposure, since if someone follows me, my threads should appear on his feed, and when one searches for a specific tag which I recently posted under, my thread should be visible for him too.
I refuse to pay for grumpy compliance, but I do use grumpy compliance bots when it is appropriate, usually for immediate upvotes and much rarer on other occasions.

👍 tipu, lrd, verodato, sleeplesswhale, brotherhood, onlyprofitbot, luckyvotes, steemdiffuser, proffit, szokerobert, lordkalki8, jbbasics, zanoni, bestgift, socialreformer, slowgrow, alomchowdhury, joelkhairy, socialdaisy, steemd1, nicolemoon, celizbrwn, freedomtrader, calebkelly, samueljohn1999, hoxly, azizurrahman, lcontestsl, hectorzs, kaking, curationproject, fersher, steemcondenser

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@brotherhood · Jul 27 '18

re-stimialiti-re-verodato-the-return-of-the-upme-bid-bot-20180726t055413688z-20180727t150241713z

<b>You received a 27.03% upvote from @brotherhood thanks to @stimialiti!,</b>
<b>join on @brotherhood community on discord channel:https://discord.gg/3HZdaGk and share your post there.</b>

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@luckyvotes · Jul 26 '18

re-stimialiti-re-verodato-the-return-of-the-upme-bid-bot-20180726t055413688z-20180726t234810342z

You got a 61.24% upvote from @luckyvotes courtesy of @stimialiti!

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@onlyprofitbot · Jul 26 '18

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@sleeplesswhale · Jul 27 '18

re-stimialiti-re-verodato-the-return-of-the-upme-bid-bot-20180726t055413688z-20180727t043123561z

You got a 100.00% upvote from @sleeplesswhale courtesy of @stimialiti!

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@steemdiffuser · Jul 27 '18

<p>This comment has received a 90.91 % upvote from @steemdiffuser thanks to: @stimialiti.</p>

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@verodato · Jul 25 '18

binance offers a better user experience, in my opinion. some weeks ago the demand for bid-bots was low so you could make money using them. since the byteball airdrop started this have changed.

👍 stimialiti, slowgrow, huber

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@stimialiti · Jul 26 '18 (edited)

$6.81

I still make money using them, but I feel some decrease in my profitability.
I also outgrew beyond those in my list (I keep using them, but I need more bots, or at least that they will grow), edited some out of it and stopped to use them, added new ones to my arsenal and time will tell if I will stick with them.
I also stopped to use a 300k SP bidbot with decent deadlines and this makes it harder for me to make a full use of my liquidity.
At least I already got my 60 rep and the Byteball quantity that it entitled me to.
There is always a need for a higher reputation, not only due to surprises like this Byteball airdrop, but also to prevent other users from lowering my rep and to be able to deduct from others' reps.

👍 lrd, tipu, verodato, sleeplesswhale, brotherhood, onlyprofitbot, luckyvotes, steemdiffuser, proffit, szokerobert, lordkalki8, zanoni, jbbasics, bestgift, socialreformer, slowgrow, joelkhairy, alomchowdhury, hoxly, socialdaisy, steemd1, nicolemoon, celizbrwn, freedomtrader, calebkelly, samueljohn1999, azizurrahman, lcontestsl, hectorzs, kaking, curationproject, everydaybitcoin, fersher, steemcondenser
👎 ngc, engagement, thecyclist, thedelegator, randomthoughts, berniesanders, abusereports, iflagtrash, nextgencrypto

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5 replies

@wonderboy3e · Jul 31 '18

$1.13

Thanks your graphical informative post.

👍 verodato, navy3e, wonderboy3e

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@zorank · Jul 30 '18

$0.90

Another great analysis, @verodato! What I like about this bot is that it does not have a minimum post age for voting.

👍 verodato

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@verodato · Jul 30 '18

Thanks, @zorank ! I didn't know about the minimum post age. Good to know!

👍 zorank

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@zorank · Jul 30 '18

$0.41

You can check the minimum and maxium required post age for most of the popular voting bots on [SteemBotTracker.com](https://steembottracker.com/)

👍 verodato

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