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Patrick Boyle: "Stablecoins are Unstable!" 19.5% for a stablecoin is a ponzi scam. How to protect Hive Dollar (HBD) from a crash? by vikisecrets

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· @vikisecrets · (edited)
$17.85
Patrick Boyle: "Stablecoins are Unstable!" 19.5% for a stablecoin is a ponzi scam. How to protect Hive Dollar (HBD) from a crash?
Patrick Boyle: "Stablecoins sind instabil!" 19.5% Zinsen auf einen Stablecoin ist ein Ponzi-Scam. Wie Hive Dollar (HBD) vor einem Crash schützen?

Witziges Video von Patrick Boyle über den Terra Luna UST-Crash. Mit britischen Humor 😂

19.5% Zinsen auf einen Stablecoin sind nicht seriös.

Für einen Algo-Stablecoin mit keinen oder nicht ausreichenden Reserven katastrophal.

Algo-Stablecoins sind wie eine Zeitbombe. In einem Bullenmarkt funktionieren sie erstaunlich gut, extrem gut. LUNA ist durch die die Decke, To-The-Moon gegangen. Aber in einem Bärenmarkt bricht das Ponzi-Konstrukt wie ein Kartenhaus zusammen, der Token hyperinflationiert.

Schulden wirken wie ein Verstärker von Zyklen. Sowohl nach unten als auch nach oben.

Hive zahlt derzeit die höchsten Zinsen auf einen Stablecoin. 20%.

### Wie HBD und HIVE vor einem Crash schützen?

Warum das bei Hive noch gut geht? Weil Hive noch relativ wenig verschuldet ist und eine Schuldenobergrenze von 10% hat, die eine Death-Spiral wie bei LUNA verhindern soll.

Es gibt aber Bestrebungen diese Schuldengrenze immer weiter anzuheben, Funds aus der Schuldengrenze hinauszurechnen, um immer mehr HBD drucken zu können.

So wie bei Fiat auch.

Daher appelliere ich an die Hive-Witnesses, die Zinsen auf HBD zu senken und die Schuldengrenze nicht zu erhöhen, um besser durch den Bärenmarkt zu kommen und die Inflation von HBD und HIVE nicht weiter anzuheizen.

Was meint ihr?

## Patrick Boyle: "Stablecoins are Unstable!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iisPX_xVMV8

Video credit: [Patrick Boyle](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iisPX_xVMV8)

https://twitter.com/vikisecretscom/status/1526258720652533763

## English

Cool video by Patrick Boyle about the Terra Luna UST crash. With British humor 😂

19.5% interest on a stablecoin is not serious.

Catastrophic for an algo stablecoin with no or insufficient reserves.

Algo stablecoins are like a time bomb. In a bull market they work amazingly well, extremely well, indeed. LUNA has gone to the moon. But in a bear market, the Ponzi construct collapses like a house of cards, and the token hyperinflates.

Debt acts like an amplifier of cycles. Both down and upward.

Hive currently pays the highest interest on a stablecoin. 20%.

### How to protect HIVE and Hive Dollar (HBD) from a crash?

Why this is still going well for Hive? Because Hive still has relatively little debt and has a debt limit of 10%, which should prevent a LUNA-like death spiral.

But there are efforts to raise this debt limit further and further, to calculate funds out of the debt limit in order to be able to print more and more HBD.

Just as with Fiat.

Therefore I appeal to the Hive Witnesses to lower the interest on HBD and not to raise the debt limit, in order to get better through the bear market and not to further fuel the inflation of HBD and HIVE.

What do you guys think?

*Live your Secrets and Hive Prosper* 🍯

xx Viki @vikisecrets
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@apshamilton · (edited)
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The biggest issue with LUNA is that it had absolutely no utility other than as backing for UST and governance (which is of no value unless there is other value).

Hive and HBD are completely different because Hive has many valuable uses and is essential for an increasing number of businesses whose value creation is unrelated to crypto (eg Splinterlands and other gaming, podcasting, blogging etc). 

Also LUNA was a centralised foundation with BTC reserves that would be sold in a predictable way when under attack.

Hive is decentralised and holders will not act in a predictable (and thus gameable) way when under attack.

Justin Sun learnt just how dangerous and wealth destroying it is to attack the Hive community. Other potential attackers will be much more wary.
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@frankbacon ·
HBD is NOT Stable...
![theMarkymark.jpeg](https://images.hive.blog/DQmeQc9aTFav1VCE1bmUh57NanyWisb5SJQQ9xR9ytijj6x/theMarkymark.jpeg)
I prefer to know real people... Not anon criminals behind controlling my crypto.
![Screen Shot 2022-05-17 at 6.48.05 AM.png](https://images.hive.blog/DQmVXwF6hm7XQkZiZKiG7ysEAKZrXZ4mJei86NGuZ39yz3K/Screen%20Shot%202022-05-17%20at%206.48.05%20AM.png)
Things are better on BLURT...
This chain is F%^KED UP.

Kind regards.
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@vikisecrets · (edited)
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Agree, Hive has much more use cases and value, it's an ecosystem and has some protection against a Luna like crash, most notable, the debt limit (haircut rule) but I still think 20% on a stablecoin is unsustainable, especially in a bear market. One can get more interest now on HBD than staking HIVE, which is insane.
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@smooth · (edited)
> One can get more interest now on HBD than staking HIVE

That's not a useful comparison. HIVE can go up 1000%, and has in the past. That's 50 years of 20% (non-compounded). Meaning, if you think HIVE will do well, you are better off with either HIVE or HP than HBD, and saying screw the higher yield.

There are plenty of cryptos (and other assets for that matter) which have done well without any yield at all.

The yield on staking HIVE is only useful in comparing between staked and unstaked HIVE.

Also, literally nobody as far as I know has ever said that 20% is sustainable indefinitely. It's a promotion to attract activity, and if demand is too high it'll be reduced (if not sooner). That's what didn't happen on Terra. Even as UST exceeded LUNA in market cap (debt ratio >50% in Hive terms), the interest was not significantly reduced, and no measures were put in place or kept in place to prevent or address that kind of gross imbalance.
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@xplosive ·
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> I still think 20% on a stablecoin is unsustainable

Some people say that it is sustainable, and some people say that it is unsustainable.

We will see how it goes. It is certainly revolutionary.
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@chinito ·
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:P great vid.

*suspiciously high interest rate*

I like Kenny G tho.. sure, despite the 'stable' in the  name.. of course there is risk. The bet is that hive will grow (in value) by at least 20% in a year.. sounds kinda conservative to me..
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@emeka4 ·
Stablecoins are unstable but HBD is really showing that part of being stable because it is really nice seeing the HBD maintain around $1 which is pretty nice
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@jfang003 ·
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I think HBD will be fine because there are 3.5 days for the conversion to take place and it's not instant like LUNA.

Posted Using [LeoFinance <sup>Beta</sup>](https://leofinance.io/@jfang003/re-vikisecrets-37bgyy)
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@lammbock ·
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Mir erscheinen die aktuellen 20 % für HBD auch extrem hoch. Aber ich verstehe das System zur Stabilisierung nicht gut genug, um zu beurteilen, wie groß das Risiko hier wirklich ist...
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@lauch3d ·
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since it was not the Terra Luna Crash per se, but a liquidation in the greater market, it could happen again and happen to all stable coin systems. Your right, one should be aware of liquidation-triggered death spirals! The fact that Vest Token are a different thing than Luna Token is right, but one should not underestimate the amount of liquid hive/ hive IOUs on exchanges. The problem in a deflationary world are running costs/liabilities that can be paid neither by liquid hive nor by writing a cheque on Vests, so liquidations in to the Dollar are kind of mandatory - especially when HBD gets depeged.
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@vikisecrets ·
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Terra Luna was designed in a way that made this crash inevitable, algo stablecoin, no dollar reserve, 19.5% interest on UST, the crash in stocks and crypto market triggered the Luna crash so to speak, which was forced to liquidate its BTC reserves, further tanking the Bitcoin and the crypto market. Stablecoins are a risk not just for LUNA or HIVE but for the entire crypto market, if they become too big and have no or insufficient reserves.
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@lichtblick · (edited)
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Rehived und ich schick dir @pishio vorbei.
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@mauriciolimax ·
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Hive is a much more complex ecosystem and very useful, it cannot be compared to LUNA. But it is very important to reflect, so that similar mistakes are not made, I think that the impact of a fall of Hive would be incomparably greater than the fall of LUNA, as it would destroy an ecosystem that people and companies use every day. As a Hive user, I would like all decisions made to be aimed at a sustainable future for the ecosystem.
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@mxm0unite ·
It depends on the consensus, a high degree of consensus is relatively safe
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@olympicdragon ·
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HBD is stable just now. The debt limit of 10% and relatively little debt. That should make it secure !
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@pele23 ·
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I really see no reason to change the interest rate at this time. HBD is nowhere near the 10% debt ceiling, and even 20% wouldn’t be a problem. HBD is still a Smurf compared to USTerra. If HBD could gain that much traction it would be amazing for Hive, and interest rates could be adjusted as needed. No need to worry 
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@satren ·
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Es gibt einen relativ einfachen Grund dafür, dass der HBD ein zu geringes Marktvolumen hat um wirklich in der Praxis Anwendung zu finden. Man kann ihn effektiv nur über Bittrex ernsthaft handeln und im Alltag damit bezahlen ist quasi unmöglich.

Deshalb wird erstmal der Supply erhöht, und hier reden wir nur von ein paar Millionen. Wenn man ein paar Millionen HBD mehr zur Verfügung hat, kann man weiter schauen was man macht. 
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