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hive-181017 · @whatamidoing ·
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How much of a language do you forget if you stop using it?
I studied Japanese incredibly hard for about 5 years.  My first 2 years were textbook only and so when I got to Japan, my Japanese was weak.  I could understand a lot of what I saw but I couldn't speak.  

I spent the next 3 years studying and speaking in local cafes and quiet bars that played music I liked.  I would study from the textbook for an hour or two and then speak to whoever was around for an hour or two.  

It was nice, I made a bunch of friends in the process and fell in love with Japan's local businesses.  I spent a lot of money to eat out every day, but actually looking at it holistically, I probably saved money considering entertainment and Japanese classes was all wrapped in. I barely went out besides this and I learned way more than I could have in school.  

Before I lived in Japan a total of 5 years, the first 3 studying very hard, and the last two focused more on other things.  Before I left I could read novels fairly quickly (at about 75% speed of my English).  I could speak about any topic with a near native accent albeit limited vocabulary.  Listening and vocabulary were my weak points.  There were always a lot of words I didn't understand in conversation, particularly conversation about high-level topics.  

I could always understand people when they talked to me but I never understood when they talked to each other.  It was probably partially because I was more focused on what they were saying, partially because I knew the context and partially because people avoided using excessive difficult expressions with me.

I was gone for 6 years and barely studied or spoke the whole time.  It's not always easy to find Japanese people overseas, especially people interested in art and music and weird hippie shit like me.  

##### After 6 years....

I came back in 2018 and slowly adjusted to life here without much Japanese study.  I can speak alright and understand daily life things, but there are a lot of times I'll adjust what I'm saying to compensate for words I don't know.  I forgot words like "brush your hair", I mix up "police officer" and "police station", and I completely forget polite Japanese.

It's not a big problem for me because I mostly speak English at work and my friends and neighborhood are all rather casual, plus the younger generation doesn't care as much about being polite all the time.

Still I want to start a company here or at least be able to communicate more naturally.

##### I think I've forgotten about 30% of my vocabulary, mostly words I didn't use in daily conversation...some technical, some quite common, lots and lots of adverbs.  Adverbs were the easiest to forget.  Forgot a ton of idioms and expressions too. 

##### My basic grammar is intact but some complex grammar structures don't come to me and I make a few more mistakes.

##### My pronunciation is about 90% what it used to be but I speak a little slower and less smoothly than before.

##### My reading is way worse, I read about half the speed I used to and with a lot less confidence.  This is the most noticeable difference.


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 I've decided to get back to studying.  Just got these 6 massive textbooks from beginner to advanced level, all by a Chinese publisher.  They are literally the best textbooks I've used.  I wish they were available in English.  They are organized so well for absorbing information (especially after the beginner level) and they account for all kinds of nuances in the grammar.  They are not easy but they have everything you need to speak fluently.

I decided to start from the first book and speed through to review everything and make sure ALL my basic grammar is SOLID.  There are tiny things I need work on.  I finished 12/25 chapters in 3 days in the first book and there have already been around 50 words I needed to review.  There were also 2 grammar points I needed to practice a tiny bit.

If I hadn't lost anything, I would probably be at the beginning of the advanced level, book 5.  As it stands I think I'll be able to get to book 3 in less than a month and then slow down a whole lot.  Right now I study 2-5 chapters a day.  I'll spend a week or two to review after the first two textbooks.  

I will probably study 1 chapter a day when I get to intermediate level. I imagine I will end up spending 2 weeks on each chapter in the advanced level.  the grammar is pretty hard core and I want to make sure I really learn it, and not just superficially.


Here is my word review list btw:

教授	研修生	小企業	名産	手帳	売り場	売店
遊園地	消防署	八百屋	警察署	居間	洗面所	寝室
屋根	絨毯	包丁	体重計	まな板	洗剤	布巾
歯ブラシ	乾燥機	便器	座布団	歓迎会	夕べ	研修
速達	航空便	送信者	受信者	件名	日時	宛先
急行	禁煙席	喫煙席	横断禁止	一時停止	彫刻	ラッキョウ
万里の長城	髪をとかす	行ってまいります

If you are interested enough to know which words I understand but never feel comfortable using, you can use google translate to get an idea ;-P

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@anafae ·
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I love learning new languages. I've tried to learn a little bit of the language of every country I've traveled. So I've learned to say "Thank you" and "Hello" and some other every day expressions (numbers, food, etc.) in Spanish, Portuguese, Moroccan Arabic, Montenegrin and Bulgarian over the last two years ^^ 
But I forgot most of it, as soon as I wasn't in the country anymore. 
The language I'm studying the most, is English actually. My writing and understanding improved a lot over the last year. Mostly by reading and writing on Hive and watching Star Trek ^^
But I didn't get to speak much. So I'm still feeling quite insecure, when I do. But I think, if I would have to speak English all day for a while, I would adapt quickly, because I already know the words, I just haven't used them. So I hope I get to spend a time around English speaking people someday. I would love to be able to speak fluently :-)
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@whatamidoing · 
Next Generation, I hope?

One of these days I'm going to start organizing regular parties on discord so you are welcome to come and speak English with us :-)

My favorite phrases to learn are "I am...." "She is...." and just make absurd sentences everywhere I go
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@anafae · 
Yes, all of it. Started with Next Generation last summer and worked my way through Voyager and Deep Space Nine. I've also watched the first three movies, but it's not the same. I'm a bit sad, that it's over, I became a bit of a Trekkie over the last half a year ^^

The discord parties are a good idea! But I don't know if I'm up for that just now. It's hard enough to talk to people face to face, but doing it through the telephone really scares me ^^
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@josediccus ·
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In reality, I've never been abroad, but then when you learn a foreign language, you need to to consistent for like 15 to 20 years to totally adapt to everything and then after that no matter how long you leave, it wouldn't really matter how long you stay away. One day I'll be interested in speaking Spanish. If I could afford traveling oversea. Japanese? No no, I think it'll be really difficult
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@whatamidoing · 
If you do it right you can become conversation in 3-6 months, fluent takes a lot more work though, I think with the right concentration and study methods, it can take 5 years for most languages and most people, but those are often boring study methods or study methods so simple that people don't believe they work (even though they do).


BTW, I've watched a few of your videos recently, but got busy towards the end and forgot to reply
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@kenechukwu97 ·
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Hahha... Are you really going to the great Wall of China to comb your hair?


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I even had to tune into the audio and it was really very interesting to hear how all these words were pronounced 😋.

You are putting Alot of energy and resource towards this learning and all I can wish for is that your company will be the type that will grow rapidly once you kick start it.

The part of Japanese that you forgot will surely run back to your memory once you associated more with the locals. You are already doing a lot of self teaching and you are passionate about this so I believe that you will do well.

As someone that already have diverse experience about being in Asia, do you know how possible it is for a foreigner to get a nice Source of livelihood in South Korea?

Well Done Bro ✅
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@whatamidoing · 
Hahah it's just a list of words I forgot!

I have never been to Korea but I know in Japan it's relatively easy to get a job teaching as long as you have a university degree and speak with an American or British accent. It's not exactly a great salary compared to local people but it will go far in other countries. I heard Korea pays a little better but don’t know the requirements
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@mominsdt ·
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You studied the Japanese language but it was difficult to speak. You were learning the language by reading books and listening to Music. These are good ideas.
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@oscarpower55 ·
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Smile ☺️☺️☺️ you are still a better and a fast learner because from here and what I observed it didn't take you More than expected to get it right ☺️☺️
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@ryivhnn · 
You know how to study efficiently so you'll nail it easy XD And seeing as you know a bit already it will come back easy and anything you don't know you'll pick up quickly :)

I'm in this annoying phase where when I'm ~~eavesdropping~~ overhearing things I can pick up words but usually not enough fast enough to understand the conversation (though I was pretty happy at understanding most of the Aunty at the Chinese restaurant we were at for lunch even if she was just yelling our order to the kitchen XD), but when I'm reading stuff, while I'm recognising some characters enough to translate things I'm not actually reading what the characters are x_x

As for how much you forget well given my previous experience with a conlang I was actively trying to learn for a while and my parents and aunty (all of whom can speak Malay, I think my dad knows some Cantonese and my mum apparently knows Mandarin, Cantonese and some Hokkien according to one of my Chinese friends as I don't know enough to tell the difference), you retain whatever is important (so colloquial speech for the most part, and things to do with food and probably bad words XD) and whatever wasn't (anything beyond basic manners) goes XD

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@whatamidoing · (edited)
I'm really good with basics, I smash them... but then when it starts to become unnecessary for conversation, I get really bad at remembering things.  

I think you are right, you remember what's important to you.  So I call potato chips "Those dry potato cookies" in Mandarin, because it gets the job done!  Cantonese has to be my favorite and least favorite language.  It's soooo difficult but it's also fun as hell, I feel like it's the easiest language to troll in and the bad words a grammar structures lol
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@taliakerch ·
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oh, this topic is my pain.
Hard to believe but 10 years ago I was rather great in English and enough good in German. 
English was my main foreign language in the university, and German was the second one (we studied it much less but still..). I could speak English fluently, but pronounciation was with heavy Russian accent because I had a lack of practice with native speakers. And I could speak German. Not confident and fast but I could say something, I passed my state exam in German laguage and studied my 25 exam tickeks by heart;)
Then I changed my activity in life and started to work only with my mother tongue Russian, and oops...very fast I lost ALL my German, and most of my English vocabulary. I still can read and understand English but it's much harder for me to say something:( Grammar is saved mosly, but vocabulary....:( now with the help of Steem and Hive I practiced it a little bit but still it's not that very level.. and actually I am sure it will never ge good without speaking with nativer speakers. I am at your stage until you didn't come to Japan. To be in any languahe you must speak it every day. With nativve speakers if it's possible otherwise....bye, skills!
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@whatamidoing · 
Hahhaa I know it’s frustrating. Well you can talk to me to practice. Are you on discord?<div class="pull-right"><a href="/@hive.engage">![](https://i.imgur.com/XsrNmcl.png)</a></div>
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@taliakerch · 
oh, no, I'm too shy to speak like a Russian bear speaking English;)) when I am better enough, I'll let you know, and thanks for a proposal;)
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@whatamidoing · 
I want to make friends with Russian bears!  What’s the problem with that?
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@telecaster ·
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It's so not linear. It's like two steps forward, one step back!
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@whatamidoing · 
I think of it like walking up steps as an ant lol
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@topbooster · 
You forgot a language slidely because you didn't use it.
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@wirago ·
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I totally feel you!
I grew up with german and czech as my mother tongues, learned english and using it all the time (obviously) and started to learn russian last year.
While using german and english on daily basis and learning russian (also on daily basis) I noticed how bad my czech became due to using it only with my parents from time to time.
Since russian and czech are quite similar in many cases I often stumble across russian words where I think "Hm... isn't this the same in czech?" And at this point I have no idea how I would say in my (actual) mother tounge any more. Weird.
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@whatamidoing · 
How old were you when you stopped speaking Czech and German regularly?

I also don't know what I'm saying when there are both Japanese and Mandarin speakers in the same room.  Mix in English and I become only semi-functional.
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@wirago · 
I am living in Austria where people speak German, so no deal on that.
I moved put of my parents home in my early 20s (don't know exactly) so it's 10-15 years ago. As a solution I force myself to speak Czech with them on the phone. It's only a few minutes per week, but hey... It's something :D

But at the end, speaking a language is like any other skill. You get better using it and you forget it when you stop using it.
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