Ulog # ? - Why is it wrong to allow non-citizen to vote by wolfhart

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ulog · @wolfhart · Aug 1 '18

$2.05

Ulog # ? - Why is it wrong to allow non-citizen to vote

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I did a post yesterday titled [Banning Plastic Straws](https://steemit.com/ulog/@wolfhart/ulog-banning-plastic-straws-71a9b2fbc033est). I have received some push back and alternatives to using plastic straws. Only a couple understood or got the irony.

https://cdn.pixabay.com/photo/2017/06/21/11/22/election-2426948__340.jpg

Here in the U.S. we are going through some issues. One of the issues is voting. States, cities, towns and municipality are allowing non-citizens to vote. Allowing them input, influence into State politics at all levels. Things like the school board where there children go to school. In this manner it will enable them to improve the community with their input. To make them feel like they are members of the community where they reside and have some impact on the community for all to benefit. This is the main reason for doing so. Not to mention all the other positive benefits like the increase in GDP and reduction of crime.

For the last two years we have been trying to deal with the Russian Collusion. Where non-citizens have been trying to have input and influence in our elections. No evidence has ever been discover this happened.

https://cdn.pixabay.com/photo/2017/06/21/11/22/politics-2426940__340.jpg

Here is my issue. One group is encouraged by allowing it and the same group is up in arms over the other. Can you explain so that I might get some understanding on the position you hold on this and why. Maybe I am wrong because I just can't justify the position or opinion that some hold.

wolfhart

I used the houraday method and stopped started at lest20 times over the past 5 hrs

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@adeoyesteem · Aug 1 '18

Nice post... Keep up the work

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@andesta · Aug 1 '18

choose for non-citizens, their habits of choosing for their own interests

👍 wolfhart

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@wolfhart · Aug 1 '18

>their habits of choosing for their own interests

Thats seems to be whats going on. But why so many people following without any interest of their own to gain

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@corpsvalues · Aug 2 '18

A vote isn't something that should be given to you, it should be earned.
Just like on this platform, your vote will be worthless until you put in the time/investment.
If you are paying taxes, then I'd say you earn a vote.

👍 wolfhart

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@wolfhart · Aug 2 '18

I think we have the right like every other country to say who comes here. If you sneak across the boarded I have no sympathy. We have doors its called a port of entry. And they are all along the boarder.

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@lapb · Aug 1 '18

Good work @wolfhart, keep up with the good job.

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@stever82 · Aug 1 '18

$0.03

It is just a trick the left is using to make them feel safe.  It is all half measures to try and make it seem like they are defending these people.  There are in a way but it is so they can exploit them.  They lock up the votes of their kids for life cause they said the didn't want to deport their parents but they also didn't want to give their parents legal status.  They are walking a line trying to protect them without really giving them rights.  It is sad cause here are people that work hard might get to vote and I am sure some vote in real elections also.  Yet even if they get some benefits passed they won't get them.  This state makes me crazy.  I am just tried of both parties allowing this to happen.

👍 dustsweeper, wolfhart

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@wolfhart · Aug 1 '18

>There are in a way but it is so they can exploit them

Its all about power and control
I blame the people who keep putting them back in year after year.

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@tarazkp · Aug 1 '18

I can't speak about plastic straws but when it comes to foreign citizens voting, I am for it in at least limited capacity. Here ins Finland (I am a permanent resident, not a citizen), I am able to vote at the local level meaning, the city council level. The normal National parties are represented in this. 

What this means is that I am able to be a part of the community with limited scope and am therefore more willing to take an interest in the things that concern it. If I start to learn, this will of course mean that I will have to at least begin to take an interest at other levels of government also.

The problem with many is that they want the economic benefits of foreigners coming into their country, but they don't want those same people to have any power. Of course for the most part anyway, the right to vote doesn't mean voting takes place (I think in the last election in the US and with all the publicity, only a little over 50% that could, did) nor does it mean that much changes even if it does.

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@stever82 · Aug 1 '18

What you said is okay but what you don't see here in California they are allowing people with no legal status to vote on these things.  They don't have any form of resident status.  We have state senators admitting that people in his own family are committing identity  fraud to work.  This is the problem with what they are doing it make no sense.  They are trying to give them some control over where they live without giving them any rights to live here.   It is a lie and trick.  They want them to feel like they have some power so they come and work at under the table jobs or in sweat shop making clothes or in fields picking fruits and veggies for way less wages.  They tell them it is a better life than they have at home and we put their kids in our schools shine the light on the fact that they will have a better life.  It is a very sad thing to see that illegal who works harder than most people around here but has less cause the democrats have lied to them and tricked them to come live in this country with no legal status.  But also the Republican allow it cause they love that cheap labor.  That is why I can still go to my store and buy fresh fruits and veggies so cheap.  If this ever ends it will be messy poor people won't like the cost of food if we have to start paying the workers real wages.

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