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The Onus of Proof
### I was told the "onus of proof" is on the person making the extraordinary claim.

<br>**Someone please explain how this is different than saying:**

If you have a position I don't agree with, you have to prove to me I am wrong and you are right.

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I think it's only an extraordinary claim if a lot of people are saying so. What that "a lot" ratio has to be, I think, is another area we could debate but won't because that will only complicate matters.

### I make an extraordinary claim like, "There is an alien living in my salt shaker"

That might require me to prove that if I want to be taken seriously. That seems very logical.

### I make an extraordinary claim like, "A widespread EMP blast wouldn't actually make your Bitcoin worthless or take down the network permanently."

Now, I'm told, the onus is on me to prove my claim. **How would one even prove such a thing?** Short of trying to do the EMP attack, which (FOR THE RECORD I am not doing.... I don't see how the proving this would look.

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It's proving a negative condition. It's like me trying to prove that if Unicorns were real, the wouldn't be that pretty. I'm basing it on their being wild animals and pooing on themselves and not showering and our drawing them as mythical. 

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See where I'm going?

### People like to hurl this "onus of proof" weapon at you because you challenged their worldview.

***This whole maneuver is a way of one's not having to actually use one's logical faculties to engage in a debate. Be careful not to fall for the "onus of proof" retort if you are making a logical or philosophical claim.*** Is your claim really fantastical? Or is it a logical hypothetical scenario?

If you are doing it with theological matters, that is another difficult (and probably ill-advised situation) to use the "onus of proof" defense on either side, but especially the pro-God side. You having to prove premises is a condition to each party in every debate. So, while one side may attack the truth of the other's premises, that same right exists on each side.

In cases where the claim isn't fantastical but is rather logical in nature, there is no onus of proof on either side. Usually these are **hypothetical situations** where all we have are logic and data and reason. Otherwise, we're just seeking group-think conformity and don't care what position we arrive upon. Let it just be backed by the person with the loudest voice or least flexibility in their positions, amirite?

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@deanlogic ·
> A widespread EMP blast wouldn't actually make your Bitcoin worthless or take down the network permanently.

Well, there have been multiple studies/experiments that show a EMP of significant power could take out the electronic network of the USA and most likely fry every satellite in orbit.  So, without having to focus on the possibility/probability of NK lobbing EMP rockets around the western world in order to see the lights go out, I think that you could take that information and apply to the fact that having things on a computer would be useless if electricity and the networks were all fried.  

Just sayin'
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@writewords ·
permanently requires all nodes to be shut down. Do you think NK or anyone else could take down every bitcoin node in the world? they're in africa, russia, alaska, argentina, china, etc etc. Is this reasonable to expect a worldwide kamikaze attack? said attack would also ruin the attacking capabilities of the attacker themselves!
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@deanlogic ·
If you couldn't trade BitCoin for more than a year, what would it be worth? What good are nodes if the lines are fried? When the Carrington Event happened, it fried the telegraph lines off the poles. The satellites would be toast as well, so the only way is if there were fiber lines running to place or people using HAM radios, that weren't attached to an antenna or power at the time it happened.  Cellular towers would be toast. 

If the EMP that could take out the US electrical grid happened, it would take a minimum of 6 months to a year to bring parts of it back on-line. However, that would be hampered by riots and civil unrest.  The parts to bring back the system aren't built in the US anymore.  If the EMP was bomb based, Asia would be smoldering after retaliation strikes after retaliation strikes. Without the US, there would be a world power drain and someone will step in and cut down any methods of communication outside of approved channels.

If the EMP was from the Sun and was global, there would be no way to ship the parts anywhere. After 80-90% of the world died off in the first year, there would be no need for BitCoin. 

NK thinks their underground tunnels will lead them to China and South Korea, they don't plan on staying in NK after attacking.  And, yes, I believe that NK is just that crazy.  So is Iran.
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